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#121 Kulyok

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Posted 17 October 2005 - 10:38 PM

Fade, as I read in her forum, was designed as a lesbian from the start, and her Keita partner was her lover, as well. Later, however, the line has been dropped, but the impression is firmly planted in the lovetalks already.

Saerileth has Edorem - the name exists, is being brought through the entire romance, and it is enough for me. Yasraena is not romanceable.



Kivan and Deheriana is certainly one of the most romantic stories of all BG time, but I just can't feel any romantic attraction to his unmodded in-game personality, so it is not the point for me, whether he has Deheriana or not. However, with Valygar I had such a problem. Merella, Suna Seni, then Leonora - I wanted to strangle the guy in the end: he proved to be more popular than Haer'Dalis.

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Posted 18 October 2005 - 06:30 AM

However, with Valygar I had such a problem. Merella, Suna Seni, then Leonora - I wanted to strangle the guy in the end: he proved to be more popular than Haer'Dalis.

And he's supposed to be celibate/chaste. Ha!
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 09:23 AM

Uhm, Merella was his past love when he was 16. Suna is barely mentioned in one banter as a past liason. Leonora is PC's contender, future love, not past. The guy is thirty and that's is underestimation of his age (he is more likely to be closer to 40). I would be worried if he never loved before.

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Posted 18 October 2005 - 09:41 AM

That was me, sorry :) I guess, as an old geezer, I will never grumble that the younger generation is not proper. Heh, I was in love at least three dozen times by the time I was twenty-three and wed. Gods, one of my friends told me that she used to have a square on the checkered paper 10X10 and marked a cross every time a man confessed to her. Damn, good old times! :)

Anyways, in my opinion only, I'd offer the following points to consider:

1) a past tragic love affair can be overused, but so is the love at the first sight and bicker-bicker-true love scenario.
2) The older is the character the more likely he is to come to the table with the baggage of the past emotions
3) It is a matter of personal preference to like or not to like the dialogues talking of the former lovers, but such dialogues routinely take places in the real life and are not to be unexpected.

As for good old CR, I'd say that rashness of writting is by far the worst thing about it :)

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Posted 18 October 2005 - 11:39 AM

Uhm, Merella was his past love when he was 16. Suna is barely mentioned in one banter as a past liason. Leonora is PC's contender, future love, not past. The guy is thirty and that's is underestimation of his age (he is more likely to be closer to 40). I would be worried if he never loved before.


Then there was that actress chick who split pretty much as soon as Val told her about the "Corthala fortune". That was before Suna. I'm sure there's a few more somewhere around there...

And, to be honest, I think it is a bit scary to be someone's first and only ideal love.


No wonder people dislike Anomen so much...

Saerileth has Edorem - the name exists, is being brought through the entire romance, and it is enough for me.


I think it's safer to think of Edorem more as a stalker than as a past love ;)

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Posted 18 October 2005 - 12:01 PM

And, to be honest, I think it is a bit scary to be someone's first and only ideal love.


No wonder people dislike Anomen so much...

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I thought, that people dislike him because he is a dumb, self-righterous paladin wannabe :huh: ?
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 12:14 PM

No wonder people dislike Anomen so much...


I dislike Anomen regardless the fact that he first got lucky with PC, but because he loves nobody but himself, and is tediously infantile. :)

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Posted 18 October 2005 - 04:21 PM

I think that Anomen would be more lovable if he was more inteligent.
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 08:46 PM

And, to be honest, I think it is a bit scary to be someone's first and only ideal love.


No wonder people dislike Anomen so much...


Wasn't aware this was the group meeting of Anomen Bashers (mind you, I like the guy), but I'll just note that to my general knowledge, people tend to act even more stupid and infantile than Anomen, when they seriously fall in love for the first time. :)

And to everyone who can make it work with their First True and Pure Love, remaining their one and only for the rest of their lives... well, congrats, but such thing doesn't happen even in one case out of thousand. It's as much trial and error as anything, until you find the right person you're compatible with. To expect to do that with the first try is foolish.

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 02:47 AM

The Anomen bashing has always made me a little uncomfortable.

My lady likes him the best out of the romanceable males because in her words "his arrogance reminds me of you". Heh.

Seeing the various communites bash him after that makes you either self conscious or laugh. :)

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#131 Delight

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 05:31 AM

His arrogance isn't a problem to me, nor are his "ideals".
The problem is that he is dumb.
His inteligence is 10.
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Posted 19 October 2005 - 05:54 AM

I think the most overused idea in the BG series (with mods) are tough encounters full of cheese. I love a tough fight, as long as they fight by the same rules as my party fights. What I hate is when they somehow cats every defensive spell in the game as a single action, etc...

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#133 Kulyok

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 06:09 AM

And uber-powerful items. While I would like to receive a Robe of Neutral Archmagi in SOA for a change, a second Robe of Vecna seems overpowered.

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 07:40 AM

What I hate is when they somehow cats every defensive spell in the game as a single action, etc...

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For about the squillionth time, this behavior is generally meant to simulate the party's ability to cast a bunch of buffing spells before starting the encounter. You generally have the advantage of being able to cast multiple buffs before choosing to open the door or whatever, whereas they just have to stand there waiting for you. The idea being, similarly intelligent spellcasters would be walking around with those buffs up, too.

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#135 Theodur

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 08:29 AM

His arrogance isn't a problem to me, nor are his "ideals".
The problem is that he is dumb.
His inteligence is 10.

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Your generic BG commoner has Int of 9 - as all the other stats for that matter - so, going by that logic, Ano is still smarter than the 'masses', so to speak. His speech is certainly pompous and arrogant, but it's certainly not uneducated or dumb.

If you hate characters for being dumb, well... *points at Minsc*

#136 Delight

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 09:17 AM

I hate Minsc :D .

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 12:31 PM

I'm neutral to Anomen. I can't hate him, but neither is he one of my favourites. CN Anomen is pretty cool. ^^ LG Anomen... aggh. I can't stand LG'ers full stop.

As for over-used ideas. Hmm.

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 03:55 PM

For about the squillionth time, this behavior is generally meant to simulate the party's ability to cast a bunch of buffing spells before starting the encounter. You generally have the advantage of being able to cast multiple buffs before choosing to open the door or whatever, whereas they just have to stand there waiting for you. The idea being, similarly intelligent spellcasters would be walking around with those buffs up, too.

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I don't do that, I always use my bufs during the fight. The ones who use true D&D spells I can handle. We will pretend that they have found a way to cast "greater chain contengancy".

The ones I take issue with (I hate listing spefic examples so I won't) are fighters who can cast the same spells (seemingly as a free action for you 3rd edition rpers) nore powerful and quicker then you can.

I also do not like ememies who drop uber equipment they do not use in a fight. A few mods I have played, the enemies are complete wimps, but they drop weapons that are close to artifact quality. If I had to survive against those weapons, that would be ok.

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 06:22 AM

Actually, I think, making Anomen pick on a new NPC, so that the new NPC can come accross as a nice, witty, super-tough, non-judgmental and endearing to the player is a tad overused in itself. It may have been a false impression, but a lot of mods (especially female romances) seems to start with that sort of conflict banter with Anomen.

Same goes for the new NPC either telling Aerie to shut up or tell her that she can overcome her losses... telling Valygar that not all mages are bad... that Nalia's attitudes are superfluous... interrupting Jan on spot...

in other words, the banters that draw on the 'main' quirk of the existing NPC.

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#140 Kulyok

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 07:45 AM

Or say "Ajantis, don't you have anything else but your honour?" "Branwen, your battle cries annoy the hell out of me!" "Coran, how DARED you give up this cute little baby?"... and further down the alphabet.

Guilty, guilty, guilty... (Not joking here, btw. I am.)

One of ways to avoid it, I think, is writing the "setting" banters instead of the "character" banters. Bioware does the job quite well in places - I very much enjoyed reading Dave Milward's(Beren's) NPC Interaction Guide. The phrases "My injuries sting, but I think it mostly my pride that hurts. " or "Ah, my hound, this city be the great world of commerce. Perhaps we can sell Jaheira?" are the ones that I will not forget easily.

The downside is the amount of conditions one has to place on such a banter. But anyways, I think it would be better than "Why did you become an adventurer, Insert Name Here?"

Edited by Kulyok, 20 October 2005 - 07:46 AM.