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#41 Stone Wolf

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Posted 09 October 2004 - 01:42 PM

There's no doubting she's uber, but you must remember spellfire is all she has.

She could easily toast 1 mage/magic user (or more if you've read crown of fire??), but enough magic thrown at her will overload her capacity to store spellfire.

If she fights any1 when her spellfire levels are low she's toast.

Any melee types who gets initiative on her will waste her in a full attack, as will any sneak attacker who gets the drop on her

She also shares the same weakness as high MR creatures--magic that doesn't directly target her isn't affected. If a mage throws a 2-ton boulder at her, she's gonna die. She can't convert rocks into Spellfire. ;)

#42 LordKableNikon

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Posted 09 October 2004 - 05:42 PM

Who is the most underrated NPC 'bad-guy' ?
Greenwood: "Manshoon is the most underrated NPC villain in the published Realms, because the TSR Code of Ethics prevented me from showing the Zhentarim as really competent, early on, and I was never able to dwell on the extent and sophistication of Manshoon?s Machiavellian plotting and subtle spread of influence. For a man not directly supported by a deity (as, for instance, Elminster is), Manshoon achieved more than anyone else in the current Realms, in matters of acquiring information and in being able to influence others.

He was well on his way to having a Realms-wide network of informants and agents that could persuade a farmwife in Halruaa to purchase this sort of cloth instead of that sort, so subtly that she might not even be aware her decision was being influenced. Why does that matter? Well, if you do that to several thousand farmwives, you change entire markets, profiting thereby and ruining rivals. (This is something modern-day multinational business concerns understand all too well.) Larloch could establish the same degree of influence, but isn?t interested in doing so?and is far less ?in touch and in tune? with daily life in the Realms than Manshoon is, and so could never match Manshoon?s subtlety. So the ?real? Manshoon is the Master Manipulator, not Fzoul?s puppet. (In fact, this could just be his ploy: set Fzoul up to be the figurehead, er, target, whilst sly and urbane Manshoon schemes unhampered in the background . . . heh-heh.) "
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I'd like to point out anyone who brings up Imoen and that sort really needs to get there head examined for the sheer fact it is what PC does, so if I the PC bhaalspawn KIllS Imoen in spellhold and laughs then obviously she isn't powerful anymore... And Sarevok doesn't always get resurrected or any npc that follows the PC (I'd like to point out this is the disorder of people who think Baldur's Gate is FR and what they did affects the PnP cosmology) Golems are NOT a race, they are constructs
and Larloch would kick the crap out of elminster if you look at Larloch's entry in Lords of Darkness, level 32 worth of wizarding levels and have spell immunities which are UNKNOWN, yes he has more levels than elminster and he is also a lich, who has also more age and experience as a wizard. Larloch being that strong as well as not being a chosen also speaks volumes of his power, also controlling a massive army of undead composed of lich arch-mages of nethril vampires(paragon's and ancients) and wraiths would put the harpers to shame, but since Larloch knows what the Chosen of Mystra's are up to, so they leave him alone (he's too powerful) and he leaves them be for he wants magic to stay around, (Larloch also has 2 netherese artifacts) If you look and compare statistics for Larloch's entry and Elminster's (Larloch's entry is in Lords of Darkness) you will see Larloch is the Strongest (in magical power) being that is not a god in the realms.

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#43 fallen_demon

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Posted 09 October 2004 - 09:10 PM

Amellysan- Bhaal's most powerful deathstalker
Archdruid of Kuldahar- can't remeber his name
Any NPC who travled with PC in BG2 TOB-duh
Imoen- another Bhaalspawn and almost as powerful if not more than Khelben
Gorion- before death
Aran Linvail- if your talking about power in other than just strength
Saemon Havarian-maybe not but possibly has a smuggling org.
The five- hard and annoying
Drizzt companions-their about as strong as he is
Sarevok- after resurection
bodhi- before death
dark raven dude is named in Dark Alliance 2- he killed Vhaidra and so she kills him
anyone who survived PC must be strong
strong races
Rackshasa
Beholders
Illithid
Liches
Dragons
Vampires
Giants
Demons
Golems

stone wolf knocked out most of these, but does anything anywhere even say that amelysan is very powerful.
aran's not the real leader of the shadow thieves.
sameon...no.
bhodi: powerful, but not among the most.
dark raven: yes, but your reason for why dosn't make sense.
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#44 NiGHTMARE

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Posted 09 October 2004 - 11:46 PM

Orlak II, the master vampire in control of the Night Masks of Westgate (and a clone of Manshoon) could single-handedly beat the crap out of Bodhi's entire guild :).

#45 LordKableNikon

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 03:15 AM

Amellysan- Bhaal's most powerful deathstalker
Archdruid of Kuldahar- can't remeber his name
Any NPC who travled with PC in BG2 TOB-duh
Imoen- another Bhaalspawn and almost as powerful if not more than Khelben
Gorion- before death
Aran Linvail- if your talking about power in other than just strength
Saemon Havarian-maybe not but possibly has a smuggling org.
The five- hard and annoying
Drizzt companions-their about as strong as he is
Sarevok- after resurection
bodhi- before death
dark raven dude is named in Dark Alliance 2- he killed Vhaidra and so she kills him
anyone who survived PC must be strong
strong races
Rackshasa
Beholders
Illithid
Liches
Dragons
Vampires
Giants
Demons
Golems

stone wolf knocked out most of these, but does anything anywhere even say that amelysan is very powerful.
aran's not the real leader of the shadow thieves.
sameon...no.
bhodi: powerful, but not among the most.
dark raven: yes, but your reason for why dosn't make sense.

Like I said people who follow computer games as truth have no place on how powerful characters are, for the baldur's gate series is a fictional realm based on forgotten realms, like fallen_demon has stated aran is not the real leader of the shadow thieves, there is not a real "5" the thing was made up for a game, people should realize PnP AD&D is not really similar to the computer game at all the PnP is WAY more intricate.
Kudo's to you Fallen_Demon

#46 Archmage Silver

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 03:31 AM

Well, you must remember that not everything in BG's was invented purely for the games i.e Elminster is such a case.

Larloch is the Strongest (in magical power) being that is not a god in the realms.

Yes, that is true, but I have wondered whether there exists something or someone more powerful than him (not gods). In other worlds, of course.

#47 NiGHTMARE

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 04:42 AM

I think the Princes of Shade could give Larloch a run for his money. Not individually, of course, but when they cast one of their group spells they're pretty damned powerul (they did, after all, manage to move an entire city to another plane of existence, even if not entirely intentionally) :)

#48 Archmage Silver

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 09:10 AM

Hmm... let's make a list of the famous or infamous spellweavers, from any world :
Elminster Aumar
Khelben "Blackstaff" Arunsun
Volo
Khelben "Ravencloak" Arunsun
Laeral Arunsun
The Simbul
Vangerdahast
Larloch
Fizban the Fantastic
Raistlin Majere
Par-Salian
Dalamar the Dark
Palin Majere
Justarius
Mistress Jenna
Melf
Agannazar
Karsus
Bigby
Mordenkainen
Malavon Despana
Merlin
Gandalf the Grey
Saruman the White
Radagast the Brown
Alatar the Blue
Pallando the Blue
Alustriel
Magius
Fistandantilus
Sylune
Midnight
Manshoon
Jon Irenicus
Ellesime
Belgarath
Polgara
Ged
Móri
Ladonna
Morgana
Circe
Gorion
Halaster Blackcloak
Vecna
Hogan Blight
Morisco

Feel free to continue the list.

#49 zyrana

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 10:31 AM

QUOTE (fallen_demon @ Oct 10 2004, 05:00 AM)
QUOTE (dragonlord @ Oct 9 2004, 03:50 PM)
Amellysan- Bhaal's most powerful deathstalker
Archdruid of Kuldahar- can't remeber his name
Any NPC who travled with PC in BG2 TOB-duh
Imoen- another Bhaalspawn and almost as powerful if not more than Khelben
Gorion- before death
Aran Linvail- if your talking about power in other than just strength
Saemon Havarian-maybe not but possibly has a smuggling org.
The five- hard and annoying
Drizzt companions-their about as strong as he is
Sarevok- after resurection
bodhi- before death
dark raven dude is named in Dark Alliance 2- he killed Vhaidra and so she kills him
anyone who survived PC must be strong
strong races
Rackshasa
Beholders
Illithid
Liches
Dragons
Vampires
Giants
Demons
Golems 


stone wolf knocked out most of these, but does anything anywhere even say that amelysan is very powerful.
aran's not the real leader of the shadow thieves.
sameon...no.
bhodi: powerful, but not among the most.
dark raven: yes, but your reason for why dosn't make sense. 


Like I said people who follow computer games as truth have no place on how powerful characters are, for the baldur's gate series is a fictional realm based on forgotten realms, like fallen_demon has stated aran is not the real leader of the shadow thieves, there is not a real "5" the thing was made up for a game, people should realize PnP AD&D is not really similar to the computer game at all the PnP is WAY more intricate.
Kudo's to you Fallen_Demon


If Aran Linvail isn't the real leader of the shadow thieves, then who is?

#50 Archmage Silver

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 10:59 AM

Check out this thread.

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 11:14 AM

Thanks. So the grandmaster is Rhinnom Dannihyr? Oh well, at least I understand the shadow thieves better now. ;) B)

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 11:16 AM

oops, that was me. I was logged in just a minute ago! :wacko: :blink:

#53 LordKableNikon

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 01:19 PM

Hmm... let's make a list of the famous or infamous spellweavers, from any world :
Elminster Aumar
Khelben "Blackstaff" Arunsun
Volo
Khelben "Ravencloak" Arunsun
Laeral Arunsun
The Simbul
Vangerdahast
Larloch
Fizban the Fantastic
Raistlin Majere
Par-Salian
Dalamar the Dark
Palin Majere
Justarius
Mistress Jenna
Melf
Agannazar
Karsus
Bigby
Mordenkainen
Malavon Despana
Merlin
Gandalf the Grey
Saruman the White
Radagast the Brown
Alatar the Blue
Pallando the Blue
Alustriel
Magius
Fistandantilus
Sylune
Midnight
Manshoon
Jon Irenicus
Ellesime
Belgarath
Polgara
Ged
Móri
Ladonna
Morgana
Circe
Gorion
Halaster Blackcloak
Vecna
Hogan Blight
Morisco

Feel free to continue the list.

Ottiluke (for otto's irresistable dance etc...)
Prismal (a chronomancer) (Prismal's wormhole
Darsson (Darson) Spellmaker(Spellbinder) (sp)

Though I'd like to point out Elisime and Jon Irenicus shouldn't be there for part of the Baldur's Gate series
and Volo isn't really that powerful he is like 11th level at most, just he travels and tells secrets a lot and elminster spends time with wordplay between eachother.

#54 Ragnar

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 01:56 PM

Also,

Coryn
Caitiff
Harrawell Dracart
Rannoch
Rubina
Speratus, Archmage of Nidus
Zandramas
Cyradis
Ctuchik
Beldin
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Posted 10 October 2004 - 06:36 PM

to my kmost powerful deathstalker did i entrust the secrets of my resurrection :Bhaal Lord of Murder most owerful deahstalker is Amy
Yeah Fizban :D :D :D or in deathgate there is a mage named Zifnab hmm :huh:
other powerful spell-casters: From Harry Potter: Dumbledore Harry Potter Voldemort
From Wizzards First Rule: Richard Rahl (or amnell or cipher (i think)) Zedd Adie and sisters of the dark
DnD movie: Profion Savina Damidar
Baldur's Gate Not Mentioned: Tethtoril
Misc.: Wizards of the Coast :lol: Me Me in whatever game i play as a wizard

#56 Stone Wolf

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 09:15 PM

Please don't remind us of that horrid D&D movie. Posted Image

#57 LordKableNikon

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 10:36 PM

I blocked that movie out!!! Damn you for reminding me, I tried to recreate the D&D movie in my mind and using 5 quintessence and mind 4 and since I have an arete of 6 I was able to replace said movie with the belief that 13th warrior and/or Lord of the Rings (fellowship only) was ACTUALLY D&D the movie....

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Posted 11 October 2004 - 05:37 AM

sorry :( i know ot sucks but no one said not to post and so i did figuring it was DnD even if it isn't close :lol: and please do not swear at me it offends me to her such talk

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Posted 12 October 2004 - 03:29 AM

Hmm... let's make a list of the famous or infamous spellweavers, from any world :
Elminster Aumar
Khelben "Blackstaff" Arunsun
Volo
Khelben "Ravencloak" Arunsun
Laeral Arunsun
The Simbul
Vangerdahast
Larloch
Fizban the Fantastic
Raistlin Majere
Par-Salian
Dalamar the Dark
Palin Majere
Justarius
Mistress Jenna
Melf
Agannazar
Karsus
Bigby
Mordenkainen
Malavon Despana
Merlin
Gandalf the Grey
Saruman the White
Radagast the Brown
Alatar the Blue
Pallando the Blue
Alustriel
Magius
Fistandantilus
Sylune
Midnight
Manshoon
Jon Irenicus
Ellesime
Belgarath
Polgara
Ged
Móri
Ladonna
Morgana
Circe
Gorion
Halaster Blackcloak
Vecna
Hogan Blight
Morisco

Feel free to continue the list.

A few Greyhawk wizards

Slerotin the Wily, the Last Mage of Power;
Keraptis;
Iggwilv, the mother of The Old One himself
Zagig Yragerne, Lord Mayor of Greyhawk and later a god.

#60 Dalis'ilhea

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Posted 12 October 2004 - 03:46 AM

If you're going to have Belgarath and Polgara don't forget Belgarion their great great great great great great great great grandson (and many more greats :D)
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