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[the bigg]

I think that Heat Metal won't be implemented.
At least, I'd need (as the official scriptor) to list manually all the metal items that are in the game, to decide whether to use Heat Metal or not. And frankly, I don't think it's really worth the effort and the parsing problems.

[T.G.Maestro]

I think that Heat Metal won't be implemented.
At least, I'd need (as the official scriptor) to list manually all the metal items that are in the game, to decide whether to use Heat Metal or not. And frankly, I don't think it's really worth the effort and the parsing problems.

Yep, good point. It seems we have to drop this one.

TG, do you think dragons should be immune to disease ?

A good question, but I think not. Only a few special subspecies should have such immunities, and the same thing goes for poison.

[Feanor]

QUOTE 
I think that Heat Metal won't be implemented.
At least, I'd need (as the official scriptor) to list manually all the metal items that are in the game, to decide whether to use Heat Metal or not. And frankly, I don't think it's really worth the effort and the parsing problems. 


Yep, good point. It seems we have to drop this one. 

It's a good idea to drop it, because I remember I saw this ability implemented in TDD (as a level 4 spell for the cleric) and it seem to cause game crash.

[Efreet]

What does tail slap do? It seems it replaced wing buffet.

[T.G.Maestro]

What does tail slap do? It seems it replaced wing buffet

Nonono, it doesn't replace anything, the two will be used simultaneusly. Tail slap causes a minor earthquake, and creatures close to the Dragon will have to save against breath to avoid fall to the ground for a few seconds. It causes some damage as well, but nothing serious.
Btw, Abazigal already uses this, you can check his version by any of the spell editors.

[Feanor]

How many attacks per round your dragons will have ? The same as the original ones (which was 3, as I remember, isn't it, TG) ?

[T.G.Maestro]

Between 2 and 4, depending on subrace and age cathegory.

[Feanor]

Feanor, you are confusing the Black (Nizi) and the Shadow Dragon (Thax).
The Black has a higher AC than Firkraag, while the Shadow Dragon has better. It comes from its nature - Shadow Dragons can manouver faster and are able to avoid blows that Red Dragons cannot.

TG, I disagree with your opinion here and, until now, because you were left, I did not have the chance to argue. Your point is qrong here, I think, because we're talking about the base AC here (which, for dragons, represents mainly the resistance of their scales). If, as you say, Shadow Dragons can manouver faster and are able to avoid blows that Red Dragons cannot, this ability should be expressed by a higher dexterity.

[the bigg]

Well, adding to dexterity or lowering the AC has the same effect on drakes, since htey don't throw bolts.

[T.G.Maestro]

Yes, a good point Feanor, the only real problem is that increasing DEX above 20 won't give the bonuses you'd expect. Instead of messing with Dexterity I decided to use the base AC values instead. The end result is the same.

[Feanor]

Yes, a good point Feanor, the only real problem is that increasing DEX above 20 won't give the bonuses you'd expect.

More precisely, TG ?

[the bigg]

dexmod.2da:

  REACTION  MISSILE   AC

0    -20      -20      5

1    -6       -6       5

2    -4       -4       4

3    -3       -3       3

4    -2       -2       2

5    -1       -1       1

6    0        0        0

7    0        0        0

8    0        0        0

9    0        0        0

10   0        0        0

11   0        0        0

12   0        0        0

13   0        0        0

14   0        0        0

15   0        0        -1

16   1        1        -2

17   2        2        -3

18   2        2        -4

19   3        3        -4

20   3        3        -4

21   4        4        -5

22   4        4        -5

23   4        4        -5

24   5        5        -6

25   5        5        -6

that is, between 18 and 25 the only difference is 2 points of AC and 3 points of missile thac0.

Edited by the bigg, 30 July 2004 - 12:26 AM.

[J Beau]

Those dragons are not in the un-modded game. I think they are from the Tactics mod.

[Feanor]

Yes, a good point Feanor, the only real problem is that increasing DEX above 20 won't give the bonuses you'd expect. Instead of messing with Dexterity I decided to use the base AC values instead. The end result is the same.

TG, I checked the Dragons Dex recently. Why on Earth do you claim Dragons have 20 Dex, since both Firk and Thax have 15 Dex ?

[T.G.Maestro]

TG, I checked the Dragons Dex recently. Why on Earth do you claim Dragons have 20 Dex, since both Firk and Thax have 15 Dex ?

Not all of them will have a score above 20, this part is still under development and planning. The scores I posted are the proposed values, but they might change of course.

[Feanor]

TG, I checked the Dragons Dex recently. Why on Earth do you claim Dragons have 20 Dex, since both Firk and Thax have 15 Dex ?

Not all of them will have a score above 20, this part is still under development and planning. The scores I posted are the proposed values, but they might change of course.

TG, in my previous posts, the info was taken from BG2 : there Firk and Thax have 15 Dex. So, why on Earth did you give them such high Dex ? I can understand a Dragon having a high STR, CON or INT, but DEX is the stat which definetely should be lowered for them. That would mean that a Dragon would be more agile than an elf, which is ridiculous in my opinion. I want to point you 2 things :
1. Large creatures tend to be slow.
2. Large creatures are easier to hit by their opponents, because they can't dodge hits (due to their size).
So, DEX should not be mor than 15 for dragons, in my opinion.

[T.G.Maestro]

TG, in my previous posts, the info was taken from BG2 : there Firk and Thax have 15 Dex. So, why on Earth did you give them such high Dex ? I can understand a Dragon having a high STR, CON or INT, but DEX is the stat which definetely should be lowered for them. That would mean that a Dragon would be more agile than an elf, which is ridiculous in my opinion.

Good points Feanor, I'll make it sure to adjust their stats following this logic.

[Feanor]

TG, in my previous posts, the info was taken from BG2 : there Firk and Thax have 15 Dex. So, why on Earth did you give them such high Dex ? I can understand a Dragon having a high STR, CON or INT, but DEX is the stat which definetely should be lowered for them. That would mean that a Dragon would be more agile than an elf, which is ridiculous in my opinion.

Good points Feanor, I'll make it sure to adjust their stats following this logic.

Victory !!! BTW, TG, I'm interested also what were your reasons for that ? Maybe in AD&D they have such high dexterity ?

[T.G.Maestro]

No. But after a brief look at their stats in BG2, many of them have stats above 20, and even in DEX. Thats why I gave them high scores.