Irenicus in the party add-on to Ascension
#1
Posted 07 November 2002 - 10:05 AM
I wonder what will this board community think about possibility of making this mod 'public'? Should I contact Dave first, and if 'yes' then how can I do it?
Will you personally be interested in playing it? I can post more details if there is an interest.
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#2
Posted 07 November 2002 - 11:10 AM
Personally i wouldnt want Irenicus in my party at all. Even if it is like the "Balthazar or Bodhi" thing. (With the blue circle) . Nor would I want Drizzt in my party. But i'm always willing to try out a new mod. If I dont like it then I'll uninstall it.
Each to his/her own i guess.
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#3
Posted 07 November 2002 - 01:53 PM
Jon is a 30 level mage at this point but Ascension is fighter oriented, and having him in the party is not making it any easier, except maybe in the first fight. A minor spoiler - you will not be able to get both him and Bodhi, and he is not in an 'ally' mode. He had to be a full-time party member for his story to make any sense. Plus I think a mage in 'ally' mode is totally useless.
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#4
Posted 07 November 2002 - 11:35 PM
Ascension is fighter oriented,
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Plus I think a mage in 'ally' mode is totally useless.
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No offense, but considering you see it that way, I suspect that would probably be true of one you programmed...even though it's completely untrue of mages in general, especially for Ascension. (I can't imagine what you've been having your mages do for the Ascension battles.)
In order to justify my posting in this thread, I'll say that I'll try the mod if you post it somewhere, and keep it if it impresses me.
Since he'll join the party, I take it we need an opening for him? Do you plan on arranging for anyone dropped for him to be able to return to Faerun? (Or is he encountered before Chapter Ten with this mod?)
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#5 -Guest-
Posted 08 November 2002 - 05:13 AM
Hmm, sorry if you feel offended in any way ... I did not really mean it.
I am not planning to re-do the battle scripts for my mod. It is going to be called 'Redemption' by the way. The mod is purely plot driven and is about Irenicus and his punishment, rather than about using mages in battle. He is great in battle , by the way. So far I played through the final battle about 1001 times with him in the party, and he is doing great. As I added some spells to his book that were not there before.
As for moving one of the party nps from the Throne of Bhaal - so far I cannot find the way to do it short of modifying the AR6200 again and very joinable npc script, as you know you cannot drop the party member in there. So I made Jon check for the InPartyNumber instead. If you have full party you won't get Jon, as he says something like - 'I feel tense in oversized crowds' and refuse to join. The mod will then proceed in a regular manner. The Solar should tell you about 'unexpected ally' if you leave one of yours behind before you enter AR6200. Seems as good enough solution to me.
By the way - another spoiler - you won't get him unless you are non-evil. This way you still can have Balthasar as an ally, but not Irenicuses sweet sister.
#6
Posted 08 November 2002 - 05:14 AM
Freedom cannot be equated with goodness, virtue, or perfection. Freedom has its own unique self-contained nature; freedom is freedom ? not universal goodness. Any confusion or deliberate equalization of freedom with goodness and excellence is in itself negation of freedom, and acceptance of the path of restraint and enforcement.
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#7
Posted 08 November 2002 - 11:25 AM
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#8 -jcompton-
Posted 08 November 2002 - 01:17 PM
Integrate your mod for WeiDU Ascension, not Ascension Classic. (This could be relevant if you need to branch to or from other Ascension dialogue components, and the state numbers are different.)
#9
Posted 08 November 2002 - 09:46 PM
That is what I am doing. I got the latest version from Weimer's site, and I am using WeiDU to create dialogs and add components. So far so good.
I am also planning to contact Dave Gaidar and ask his permission to post the mod. Hopefully he would not mind. And Of course if any of you guys are willing to test it- you are more than welcome! I will be honored. I am sure there are going to be bugs - there are always bugs.
I know it is unusual to make the mode alone, but that is how I am handling it so far. I wrote all the dialogs and I am programming everything myself.
Weimer was extremely kind to answer my questions.
Cheers!
Freedom cannot be equated with goodness, virtue, or perfection. Freedom has its own unique self-contained nature; freedom is freedom ? not universal goodness. Any confusion or deliberate equalization of freedom with goodness and excellence is in itself negation of freedom, and acceptance of the path of restraint and enforcement.
Nikolai Berdyaev - Christian Existentialist, Philosopher of Freedom.
The Longer Road mod
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Bitter Grey Ashes
#10
Posted 11 November 2002 - 08:48 AM
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#11
Posted 12 November 2002 - 06:00 AM
By the way - yesterday I was able to play through the mod without a hitch all the way to the epilogue. I am sooo happy it works now!
I still have a few minor issues, like making Player1 invisible in the dream sequence, but I am working on it. By the way maybe one of you guys had experience with this kind of spell effects? I am trying to remove the feet circle and animation. Oh, and I need to make check for the cloack o'cheese. That little animation is the most annoying in the game.
I am also adding some banter beteween the party members and I.
Freedom cannot be equated with goodness, virtue, or perfection. Freedom has its own unique self-contained nature; freedom is freedom ? not universal goodness. Any confusion or deliberate equalization of freedom with goodness and excellence is in itself negation of freedom, and acceptance of the path of restraint and enforcement.
Nikolai Berdyaev - Christian Existentialist, Philosopher of Freedom.
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#12
Posted 15 November 2002 - 06:05 AM
OK, folks. I think the mini-mod is ready for the beta. I wrote to Dave Gaidar as well, and got his genuine interest in the project and permission to make it public.
If you feel like testing it before the first relese - please leave me a note or send email.
You will need the latest revision of Ascension from WeiDU site to install it. I am not sure if it will work if you have many other mods installed on top of the Ascension. But that is what the beta test for, right?
Freedom cannot be equated with goodness, virtue, or perfection. Freedom has its own unique self-contained nature; freedom is freedom ? not universal goodness. Any confusion or deliberate equalization of freedom with goodness and excellence is in itself negation of freedom, and acceptance of the path of restraint and enforcement.
Nikolai Berdyaev - Christian Existentialist, Philosopher of Freedom.
The Longer Road mod
Redemption mod
Bitter Grey Ashes
#13
Posted 15 November 2002 - 07:29 AM
Cool!!!
Sarevok, and now Irenicus... (I assume is redeemed, right? )
If only Viccy could be redeemed without romance, my plan would be perfect now!!
The only problem I see, is that the fight AGAINST the last Irenicus in Ascension
was really fun... Maybe the best mage battle..Too bad this is lost!
(BTW, mages rule everywhere, SoA, ToB, Ascension....)
Ever forward, my darling wind...
#14
Posted 15 November 2002 - 08:18 AM
You don't have to accept him, there is plenty of options to banter with Jon and refuse him. The fight will proceed in a normal way then but you can gloat at him as much as you want. Also, as you cannot have Bodhi and Jon (though you can have both Jon and Baltazar) both you will have to fight her and two fallen solars if it maketh you feel any better.
I would definitely recommend to go for having him in the party - he is a lot of fun to have on your side as he has more spells at level 30 than my specialist mage with 20 int at level 40! No kidding. I did not modify his cre file that much - just made his selection of spells more usable for the party and added description to his custom item.
Mages rule!
There are few very nice cutscenes and lots of npc banter too.
Freedom cannot be equated with goodness, virtue, or perfection. Freedom has its own unique self-contained nature; freedom is freedom ? not universal goodness. Any confusion or deliberate equalization of freedom with goodness and excellence is in itself negation of freedom, and acceptance of the path of restraint and enforcement.
Nikolai Berdyaev - Christian Existentialist, Philosopher of Freedom.
The Longer Road mod
Redemption mod
Bitter Grey Ashes
#15
Posted 15 November 2002 - 02:26 PM
michel@rpgtalk.com
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#16
Posted 15 November 2002 - 02:44 PM
#17
Posted 16 November 2002 - 11:25 PM
Freedom cannot be equated with goodness, virtue, or perfection. Freedom has its own unique self-contained nature; freedom is freedom ? not universal goodness. Any confusion or deliberate equalization of freedom with goodness and excellence is in itself negation of freedom, and acceptance of the path of restraint and enforcement.
Nikolai Berdyaev - Christian Existentialist, Philosopher of Freedom.
The Longer Road mod
Redemption mod
Bitter Grey Ashes
#18
Posted 17 November 2002 - 11:57 AM
Freedom cannot be equated with goodness, virtue, or perfection. Freedom has its own unique self-contained nature; freedom is freedom ? not universal goodness. Any confusion or deliberate equalization of freedom with goodness and excellence is in itself negation of freedom, and acceptance of the path of restraint and enforcement.
Nikolai Berdyaev - Christian Existentialist, Philosopher of Freedom.
The Longer Road mod
Redemption mod
Bitter Grey Ashes
#19
Posted 17 November 2002 - 12:24 PM
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#20
Posted 17 November 2002 - 01:31 PM
It was indeed the ftp tool that I was using since I was able to upload the zip without corrupting it with Power Archiver. You can now go to the site I mentioned in email and get it.
There is also a forum at Michel's site for beta testers
http://www.rpgtalk.c...wforum.php?f=26
I would like to get a forum here at Forgotten Wars as well, but I am not sure how do you do it. Plus the Redemption mod is assosiated with Ascension and will not work without it, so I am kinda unsure if I can/should get my own forum.
Freedom cannot be equated with goodness, virtue, or perfection. Freedom has its own unique self-contained nature; freedom is freedom ? not universal goodness. Any confusion or deliberate equalization of freedom with goodness and excellence is in itself negation of freedom, and acceptance of the path of restraint and enforcement.
Nikolai Berdyaev - Christian Existentialist, Philosopher of Freedom.
The Longer Road mod
Redemption mod
Bitter Grey Ashes