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[jester]

Try to imagine Brad Pitt sneaking around in LA. That is my argument about fame being the death of covered ops and being sekrit.

[JPS]

JPS - Give me an example of Yoshi bragging about stealing something. Not about being very good at picking a lock, sneaking through the house, getting his man and getting out... but about being a good "Thief".

"And after that, when he's working with the party, he does exactly what the player tells him to do (usually disarming traps and opening locks, which might not be "thieving", but it certainly isn't "bounty hunting" either). "

From which we may imply that whatever his banters and character record conspire to tell us, Keldorn is actually really into slaying commoners with his Casrsomyr...

And yes - it is established that Yoshi is a bounty hunter, not a thief. It is established that if and when he boasts, he boasts about being a successful and capable hunter, whose name strikes fear into the heart of criminals.

Until someone gives some solid evidence to the contrary, this remains a fact.

What this really comes down to is this: you think that Chloe's banters with Yoshimo are unsuitable, while I think they're not. Anything either of us "finds" in the game is going to support the opinion we already had, and none of us is likely to change our mind.

The reason that I got into the discussion to start with was that you seemed to base your argument on the name of Yoshimo's class, and I tried to point out that not everyone would see that as a solid starting point. I still think your arguing is a bit shaky (in BG II terms, a bounty hunter is a thief, so "he's not a thief, he's a bounty hunter" isn't really an argument as much as a contradiction in terms), but I really don't care enough to keep this going. Good night.

[JPS]

Yes, you're right. My last post was rather pointless and if I had taken time to think it throught I wouldn't have posted it at all. You did two of the things that tend to annoy me most in discussions like this ? claiming that "we" had established what Yoshimo is or is not, and claiming that your interpretation of the game can "prove" something about another person's work ? but there was no need for me to be rude. Sorry.

I still don't agree with you, though

[T.G.Maestro]

Yoshimo has two banters and dialogue lines where he picks the pocket of an unsuspecting man in Athkatla, and attempts to steal something else - I don't really remember what, a ring maybe.

[Longinus]

So Chloe babbles on about how being a famous thief is bad form...

I'd imagine that a bounter hunter would rely on a good reputation. Chloe may not like Yoshimo drawing attention to himself but it goes with the territory.

[Lucythebeast]

So Chloe babbles on about how being a famous thief is bad form...

I'd imagine that a bounter hunter would rely on a good reputation. Chloe may not like Yoshimo drawing attention to himself but it goes with the territory.

It's hard to sneak up on an unsuspecting criminal when everyone knows your name and what you look like and has warned the criminal that "Yoshimo is coming for you, watch out!"

Regardless, I don't think Yoshimo is as famous as he'd like everyone to believe... or at least that's the impression I was given in the banters the other npcs had with Yoshi.

[yakosparks]

Too much of discusion about a little issue...
The game itself is not much of realistic.
An example: party of: a paladin, Keldorn, Aerie, Jaheira, Mazzy, and any of the good npc you can think. Let's say you want Edwin in your party, you know what you have to do: assasination, thieving... not good, not good, the thing is that you can do that without being punished... npcs may protest but you got away with it...
The point is, I think, even if Yoshimo or Nahlia or Jan or Imoen are "good" guys, if you send them to steal something, you make them bad guys, because, rovery isn't a good thing, no? I don't understand why you can have a good... alineamiento (sorry, I don't know the word) and still can kill or steal...
you know what a mean?

[jester]

I would imagine it works like in 'Leon' by Luc Besson. Everybody knows your contact, nobody knows the hunter.

[Doom in a Bottle]

Regardless, I don't think Yoshimo is as famous as he'd like everyone to believe... or at least that's the impression I was given in the banters the other npcs had with Yoshi.

I always thought it was obvious (after finishing the game the first time) that the reason that Yoshimo was constantly telling people his name was that he was trying to descover who else was in Irenicus pay and was hoping to avoid any conflict with them.
There are a few banters that help my theory and they mostly take place on the island just before you enter spellhold.

[Xander77]

While I find the whole "Bounty-Hunter != Thief" theory feasable, Bioware doesn't, as the original NPC's refer to Yoshi as thief as well. Keldorn and Haer, specifically.