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[Dashael]

Yoshimo's conversations with Renal Bloodscalp suggested to me that Yoshimo had been dabbling in non-bounty related rogue activities since he came to town as well. I doubt renal would have had issues with Yoshimo working in his territory if it was just bounty hunting.

[JPS]

I think the banters are suitable for Yoshimo as he is presented in the game, and I really don't see why the kit description would be more important than that (or important at all).

[Kish]

Have a problem with them? Sure. Specify that that problem is because they're "free-lancers"? No. Chloe objects to Yoshimo because he flaunts his reputation as a thief, which she considers a stupid way to stay alive.

[JPS]

Chloe objects to Yoshimo because he flaunts his reputation as a thief,

Except that he isn't, which we just established. Were you paying attention?

Well, you established it. There's a difference.

We don't know anything about what Yoshimo did in Athkatla before he was "hired" by Irenicus. And after that, when he's working with the party, he does exactly what the player tells him to do (usually disarming traps and opening locks, which might not be "thieving", but it certainly isn't "bounty hunting" either).

The only thing that tells us that he is a bounty hunter and not just any kind of thief is his character record, which Chloe obviously hasn't read, so all she has to work with is what he does and what he says, and from that she draws the conclusion that he's a bragging thief, which she thinks is stupid and potentially dangerous. I don't see the problem, really.

[Kish]

Chloe objects to Yoshimo because he flaunts his reputation as a thief,

Except that he isn't, which we just established.

Established? You appear to be unclear on the meaning of that word. Asserting something untrue is not establishing it; it is quite clear from Yoshimo's dialogue with Renal, if nothing else, that Yoshimo is a thief.

[jester]

I get the impression that this is , for guest, not so much about thieves in general and Yoshi in particular, but about Chloe.

[jester]

JPS - Give me an example of Yoshi bragging about stealing something. Not about being very good at picking a lock, sneaking through the house, getting his man and getting out... but about being a good "Thief".

"And after that, when he's working with the party, he does exactly what the player tells him to do (usually disarming traps and opening locks, which might not be "thieving", but it certainly isn't "bounty hunting" either). "

Sorry for getting you wrong the first time. I can clearly see now that Yoshi is using his cleric abilities to sneak through a house unseen, picking locks and setting traps.

If you attract enough attention just by entering a place ('Wow, THE bountyhunter Yoshi graced us with his presence'), I think anybody with a reason to might be heading for the backdoor. Any hunter will tell you that getting attention is not very high on their list, especially not the one of their prey.

[CamDawg]

You've never had the banter where he offers to teach Nalia how to disarm traps, then?

[CamDawg]

He offers to teach Nalia how to disarm traps.

[jester]

Jester - ok, is it so hard to seperate "Thief" the class from "Thief", the guy that steals stuff?

And why did you add the part that told me that bounty hunters need to be sneaky? No seriously, I really would like to know what made you feel I needed to learn that.

Sorry, mate. I just had a lousy approach to tell you what I meant, perhaps. A Thief is someone who does something society does not agree with. Fraud, Pickpocketing and theft are prob not regarded as hard as assassinating someone and it is a game glitch that your paladin can take anything he finds in any place without taking a virtue hit, but they all remain in the thief portfolio. I just wanted to remind you of the possibility that someone might question the assumption of the difference between Thief-Thiefs and other Thiefs. I hope we do not disagree too much about the (bounty-)hunter bit.

[CamDawg]

If you don't see a connection between trap disarmament and stealing, then it doesn't.

[jester]

Yoshi's setting traps skill sux when you meet him. This would rather establish the fact that he is not a very good BH.

You even disagree with the hunter argument from above??? I am stunned.