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[Kish]

Having Valen in one's party does necessitate that a character choose the more morally repugnant path o aiding Bodhi in crushing the Shadow Thieves... not easy to reconcile with a 'good' roleplaying stance.

It's pretty easy to reconcile crushing the Shadow Thieves with a good roleplaying stance, actually.

[AvatarofInsolence]

I still am firmly of the opinion that Valen need *much* more fleshing-out before a romance could even be considered.  I am an aspiring author, and at this point, I couldn't write a remotely credible romance based from what dialogue Valen has. As opposed to, say, Haer'Dalis, who is quite chatty and has *personality*. I really think that the Djinn from the Wish spell has more dialogue than Valen does, and I can't see myself romancing Sanchudokku, so why would I romance Valen.

Ah well, this debate has roared on for months now, with no real consensus in sight. I doubt I will see any kind of agreement made before I am too old to read the print on the screen  

[Littiz]

Some may use an unconventional approach to the game. Like I did twice, with the aforementioned
character, going for a low kills rate (planning to do something more radical next time).
Actually you may be surprised by the possibilities this game offers... for example, I always
avoid the Oasis fight entirely (misguided people, I can't kill them ).
Mass Invisibility: simple and fast, you can procede. Sure, you lose XPs and a sword..

But you can spare many other enemies throughout the game, with a large use of Symbols, Hold
spells, Charme, Clouds, Invisibility, whatever... then just procede to the next area.
Pretty satisfying and fun, you feel completely in control of the game
(now and then though, you have to cheat something in, like quest items which you're supposed to
grab from corpses... hey, if they're stunned or sleeping, I can grab what I want! The game has
its limits still )
I'm not entirely sure 'cause I don't know the details of Valen's mod, but I thought a path
for a good PC could exist, somehow. I'm sure my roleplaying could handle that

Anyway LG is *not* the "purest" alignment. A truly good character has to be unconcerned
with law or chaos, as long as the actions are good and pityful.
NG is the only alignment which may fit extremely (godly) good characters

[Samuel Coyote]

Valen is one of the few 'rewards' for evil parties there is, so its pretty natural that alot of people will oppose a 'good' path, just like people will care about a sports team or an artist, even if nothing they do will actually affect that person. I like the fact that Valen is evil and there's nothing you can do about it. I like that Yoshimo dies too, despite the fact that he's one of my favorite NPCs. He wasn't actually a bad guy, he just did a stupid choice, and he has to pay for it. And there's NOTHING you can do about it, cept help him find peace in the afterlife. For a moment, there was actually some kind of realism in the game. There was something you COULDN'T make all better by going on some horrible quest, aquiring several magical items, and slaying some extradimensional thingy of one kind or another. What Im trying to say is KEEP YOUR GOODY TWO SHOES HANDS OFF VALEN! SHE'S OURS! OUR PRECIOUSSSSSSSS!

Now, while Im all for a romance, I do agree that Valen needs more of a personality before that would be a good idea. Its really hard to even guess what she would and wouldn't do with the limited conversations she has.

[serjeLeBlade]

Now, while Im all for a romance, I do agree that Valen needs more of a personality before that would be a good idea. Its really hard to even guess what she would and wouldn't do with the limited conversations she has.

Looks like you are forgetting a little thing here...

Valen's author is Wes Weimer!
If is there anything new about Valen to be brought to us in one way or another, it doesn't matter if it is romance, seduction, redemption or just dialogue it will all be coming from just the same place: his head
It's not like *he* could need "more material" to flesh out the character...
Valen is his creation, he's not writing an Imoen mod or something!

So, any addition would be welcome.
Usually, romances or romance-style dialogues are the best way to get to know better the npcs in this game, so I would say that something romanceish-style would be best.
(Think of Solaufein, you get to talk with him a lot, even if you don't plan to have sex with him. This is good, if the goal is to flesh out a character).

Hmmm.... think of Valen asking phylosophical questions ...


Hehe, I would like to hear them.

I agree that redemption is not needed.
Good aligned players won't like the mod? Too bad!
...But the mod is for evil parties. It's in the readme.

[Littiz]

I surrender
I'll do with other mods

[serjeLeBlade]

Now, while Im all for a romance, I do agree that Valen needs more of a personality before that would be a good idea. Its really hard to even guess what she would and wouldn't do with the limited conversations she has.

Looks like you are forgetting a little thing here...

Valen's author is Wes Weimer!

Uhm.. no, I think I can safetly say that's *why* he said it.

(Puzzled) Is Samuel Coyote Weimer's agent by any chance?

And then... Hmmmm... is 170 posts enough to persuade Wes that this topic is popular amongst his fans and then it would be wise to do something about it?
(hehe, agent's thought)

Or am I allowed to try to send him some Valen dialogue just to show I want to help? (No, seriously, if asked for I'd send in only serious material -- or nothing. I'm a dm after all, and I like VTM.. only that Bg2:SOA is hardly The Masquerade...)

[serjeLeBlade]

dunno.  I've tried e-mailing him twice asking where he was going with Valen or *if* he had any more plans for her and got no response.  I'm sure he's a busy guy so I was contemplating (something that would really get his attention) starting a new topic 'oh Wes?'

..but I've got my hands full at the moment. 

Do you? I'm curious, what's hot now?

About Valen... What if I try to write something, send it to him... or to you... and cross fingers?
I'm no modder at present, but this work has to be done, so someone has to do it
Or to die trying

[Samuel Coyote]

No, JCompton is Wes's agent. Im just a fashion accessory.

However, a lot of the material in the Soula mod is written by other people, so the same could happend with Valen. So while most stuff will come from Wes's head, someone has to put it in there. Thats what these topics are about, yes?

[serjeLeBlade]

No, JCompton is Wes's agent. Im just a fashion accessory.

However, a lot of the material in the Soula mod is written by other people, so the same could happend with Valen. So while most stuff will come from Wes's head, someone has to put it in there. Thats what these topics are about, yes?

Oh... I see. Right.

And right.
And right.


(Did I mention the fact that I'm under the impression you're totally right?)

[Riscorn]

(Sigh)

Just shut up and add the sex, lol!!

[Michel]

She'll only romance CHARNAME if CHARNAME becomes a Vampire himself.