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[Trau]

I fail to see how it would be a change in her personality. Her nature, to me, seems very weak and submissive. Once body has given her up or died, she would be inclined to take orders from another, possibly a lover. Either way, there are other changes in the game. Sarevok fights by your side, Viconia can change her alignment if you work her right. Who woulda thunk that anyone would change Viconia?

[Khelia]

Having played Valen now, I would like to throw in my two cents, and yes I would like to see her romanceable. She has some good dialogue with a lot of folks, BUT the PC, so some added talk with the PC which can include off-romance/use the vampire would be a plus I believe.

When would be the idea time? After the death of Bodhi when she?s lost her mistress, that would be a good time for an evil PC to step in and take over as her master/mistress. Should Valen change from evil to neutral/good, NO! Why? If you?re working for Bodhi and have Valen in your party, most likely your PC is evil, why would they change her? Evil people need/want love too. Is this really a romance type of mod I?m looking at, I?ll say no, not in your classic romance, its an evil PC working on binding a powerful fighter/thief to themselves. That can have some interesting dialogue I believe, since you have to make sure that you appear more powerful and deserving than Valen, plus with Valen being evil and a vampire, can you really be good (Not that you?ll want to) without losing Valen?

I would like to see something like this just to have more interaction between Valen and the PC, that?s my two cents.

[Auvrin]

I just played Valen through again, and I have a few suggestions that go against my first time reaction to a romance. First off, I think Valen needs to be alittle more banter heavy.. It would add a bit more flavor and show the people just how evil she is. (Or even show she has potential to be trusted)

I still stand strongly with the idea of turning either Imoen or the PC into her new Master/Mistress. It would be a bit more realistic to have her stay with the party for a new reason rather then the command of a dead Mistress that stabbed her in the back twice. Besides, she wouldn't have any of the ties to her once she's dead.

At first, I said that she shouldn't be romancable. After playing it again, I see why I answered it the way I did. She needs more character to her. I believe someone said the same thought that came to mind when I was going through again "She's more an animal then a NPC". I think this is just simply due to the fact the PC doesn't have much interaction with her aside from telling her not to go berzerk. If you added a bit more character to her, I could honestly see her being romancable, but I also think it should be an OPTION.. Her romance wouldn't be anything near the same as the other NPC's, due to the fact she is a vampire. However, she is without her Mistress at that point, she's more then likely lost at what to do next. No one said it has to be a happy ending for the romance, and to be honest I would be disapointed if it were. I would suggest, to have Valen turn to the PC for guidence, and try to learn how to live on her own.. The PC being evil of course could abuse this and just outright turn her into a personal tool or actualy try to help her. It would of course be a constant struggle for her to not drain the PC of their blood.. Which in the end she could be killed for or even leave the party because she can't handle the temptation. Just some ideas.

[chevalier des Trois-Tours]

And what GOOD charicter would take Valen? Or side with Bhodi, for that matter?

Hehe, Lucas the Cavallier would. Normally an ethos violation, but he *does* see some chance for her redemption . His having 20 charisma and 22 wisdom, this *does* make any sense.

Although no siding with body. Hope it's possible to get Valen w/o Bodhi. For example if we kill Bodhi she's no longer Valen's mistress.

Anyway redemption does not necessarily mean removing vampirism. Although this could still be possible in Aumantor's temple as a part of abduction by Bodhi quest just like I did with Aerie. Suggestions only, of course, Westley Weimer's in charge.

[chevalier des Trois-Tours]

You think it would be trashing it. Maybe other people would actually enjoy a well written Vampire romance? Rather then just "getting into a Vampire's pants."

I fully support you. Some guys give the impression that they need a full-time whore NPC rather than a romanceable one.

Also people generally tend to believe she's a walking corpse with no personality. How narrowminded. Have you any idea of reasons behind becoming a vampire or even of there being anything more than just waking up the day after your death? The full scope of vampire's inner life is beyond standard human experience. Unless it's a far degraded vampire form, but Valen apparently isn't (those don't even speak). Does she really have to justify her actions? Before whom? You maybe? Or to care about any rationale? Sacrifice her personality, emotions and feelings for the sake of someone's ideas of her being unable to have any? Allow me please to leave those as rhetorical questions.

In case you haven't noticed, stranger things happen in real life.

[thecursed]

how about a romance that would end up her turning back to human? first alignment change then you convince her the only way to carry on your growing love is to abandon undead power. quest to get the ingredientd to a certain temple,.... of course this would mean the end of the super vampire, but it would be an intersting choice for the player

[Kish]

Although no siding with body. Hope it's possible to get Valen w/o Bodhi.

No. You have to side with Bodhi, or Valen will never join you.

And if she does join you, she'll kill a lot of innocent people, starting with the little boy from the Umar Hills, going on to the entire population of the Temple of Lathander and Order of the Radiant Heart, and concluding (at least in SoA...) with four vampire hunters. Valen is evil and vicious--a monster in every sense. If you want to roleplay Good, taking her along is out of the question.

[Hendryk]

How about an Evil option in which Solaufein remains Undead and takes over Valen? After all, he claimed he'd have been Bodhi's master in a few more days; what problem would Valen be to him? Save the PC the trouble of negotiating that cold, clammy, level-draining skin...

[Kiki]

This has to be the best Valen Romance idea I've ever seen. Then they can leave the party together and Wes will no longer have to listen to people whining about not-enough-Sola-content (guilty as charged) OR why-can't-I-get-lucky-with-Valen.

[chevalier des Trois-Tours]

This has to be the best Valen Romance idea I've ever seen. Then they can leave the party together and Wes will no longer have to listen to people whining about not-enough-Sola-content (guilty as charged) OR why-can't-I-get-lucky-with-Valen.

With your permission, I advise you to read posts before replying to them.

[alustriel]

This has to be the best Valen Romance idea I've ever seen. Then they can leave the party together and Wes will no longer have to listen to people whining about not-enough-Sola-content (guilty as charged) OR why-can't-I-get-lucky-with-Valen.

With your permission, I advise you to read posts before replying to them.

Maybe it's just me but I'm pretty SURE she did read the post when replying... Maybe you misunderstood Kiki's post....??

[chevalier des Trois-Tours]

This has to be the best Valen Romance idea I've ever seen. Then they can leave the party together and Wes will no longer have to listen to people whining about not-enough-Sola-content (guilty as charged) OR why-can't-I-get-lucky-with-Valen.

With your permission, I advise you to read posts before replying to them.

Maybe it's just me but I'm pretty SURE she did read the post when replying... Maybe you misunderstood Kiki's post....??

I'm afraid I did not misunderstand her. I strongly insist that I am not whining nor is 'why-can't-I-get-lucky-with-Valen' an appropriate summary of what I said. Regards.

[Hendryk]

I doubt you should take that bit personally. She's just rather whimsically summarizing all male reaction to the idea of Valen romance in the phrase.

[chevalier des Trois-Tours]

I doubt you should take that bit personally.  She's just rather whimsically summarizing all male reaction to the idea of Valen romance in the phrase.

While I agree with you, I also believe that making spiteful comments is not a good way of showing off oneself. The effect is quite contrary, I'm afraid.

[Hendryk]

Nah. If she's American that certainly wouldn't be considered spiteful, just mildly flippant. Especially since it's just an aside - her main point being that Wes Weimer could use an Undead Sola-Valen affair to get out doing two different things that apparently he doesn't much want to do. So don't let it ruffle any feathers, my friend, because there certainly was no such intent and on these boards you've got to make allowances for that.

[chevalier des Trois-Tours]

Nah. If she's American that certainly wouldn't be considered spiteful, just mildly flippant. Especially since it's just an aside - her main point being that Wes Weimer could use an Undead Sola-Valen affair to get out doing two different things that apparently he doesn't much want to do. So don't let it ruffle any feathers, my friend, because there certainly was no such intent and on these boards you've got to make allowances for that.

Even without intent, people should care about their words. Or I am stuffy and outdated. Take one of these two according to your liking.

[Hendryk]

Even without intent, people should care about their words. Or I am stuffy and outdated. Take one of these two according to your liking.

Ya know, there is an unexcluded middle ground between the alternatives you posit.

[chevalier des Trois-Tours]

Even without intent, people should care about their words. Or I am stuffy and outdated. Take one of these two according to your liking.

Ya know, there is an unexcluded middle ground between the alternatives you posit.

Hehe, not quite right. Tertium non datur. Just an alternative But I suppose we're spamming the topic. I'm done with this I suppose.

[Auvrin]

Valen... In my personal opinion, I would say aim for her finding herself on her own, or calling the PC or Imoen Master/Mistress with the loss of Miss B. (no pun intended). A romance with a killer wouldn't hold any flavor, except for maybe the PC's tainted blood. She wouldn't hold back the urge to kill someone when getting to close to her. She was meant to be a killer, that's hard to change, and can't be changed if the person isn't willing. Valen was VERY obviously meant to be evil, considering you have to side with Miss B. to even get her. Then you also have to take a huge rep loss for killing the paladins. An evil character would strive for power, and if it wasn't power for themselves, it would be power they could use within another person. 'De-vamping' and romance aren't really part of the grand evil plan, and if you want seduction, expect to be dead in the morning. The only thing a vampire would want from a warm body is it's blood.