It has nothing to do with her fighting ability in the game. Her character, as she was written now is fine, she just needs to have more banters and interactions. This however does *not* need a redemption or romance to be accomplished. If you would be satisfied altering a character just to meet that expectation, then you would be better off just making a new character all together. Take a look at the thread called 'Valen ideas' if you still don't follow what I'm saying.
Valen Romance
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#241
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Posted 23 September 2003 - 11:10 PM
Of all things in this world... Our self built cages, are our worst design of hell.
Fear me simply because I'm blunt and honest.
*WARNING* I am rated R for suggestive themes and violent material. If you need a warning label don't leave home, cause there isn't a warning label on your front door.
-Pain is beatiful.-
Fear me simply because I'm blunt and honest.
*WARNING* I am rated R for suggestive themes and violent material. If you need a warning label don't leave home, cause there isn't a warning label on your front door.
-Pain is beatiful.-
#242
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The best Anti-Paladin weapon is a tin opener...!
Posted 24 September 2003 - 03:07 AM
I'm forced to agre with this one. Aside from the increasing amount of romances and ill thought out redemptions that have been planned and proposed I see no reason to alter what Valen is or what she represents.
how come you always look so damn cool in every photo I see you in?!?
Speaking of modding, I listened to IER 3 yesterday, so you can have another quote for your signature: how come you sound so damn cool, as well as look it? It's unfair. Seriously.
Still a cyberjock, still hacking the matrix, still unsure of what that means.
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#243
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Posted 11 October 2003 - 12:47 AM
A romance with Valen would be interesting in terms of something new to explore.. But I was somehow under the impression that vampires in the fr aren't altogether capable of actually falling in love. I dunno.. Just a thought.
Besides, romancing a vamp is taking just a step too close toward necrophilia for comfort
Besides, romancing a vamp is taking just a step too close toward necrophilia for comfort
#244
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tomo the homo
Posted 11 October 2003 - 04:42 AM
fr vamps can fall in love. why not?
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#245
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Posted 11 October 2003 - 06:32 AM
They might be able to, I suppose, but it won't be easy. Not to mention snogging would be quite a chore, getting level drained everytime'n'all that. 
#246
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Posted 11 October 2003 - 08:14 AM
Hello to all,
After reading all the posts concerning a romance with Valen it is time to express my own views on this topic. Please take in consideration: first that my native language is not English second that I do not see Valen as a classical Forgoten Realms vampire creature and third that everything you will read are pieces of a 30 page writing already sent to Wes but without any reaction from his side.
Views on Valen Romance
1.Should Valen be romanceable?
Absolutely yes. First of all that would give her more depth and should remove the stereotype ?mindless killing machine?.Let?s face it, Valen is a vampire not a ghoul or a jombie, she thinks,feels and imagines how to give Final Death to all of her enemies swiftly and totally! Even Korgan expresses his feelings for Mazy at some point so who says that chaotic evil characters cannot fall in love?
Secondly she is a woman,wild and ferocious indeed, but still a woman.And as a great philosopher once said women live for only one reason: to experience a great overwhelming passion even once in their lifetimes(although feeding and sex have a close relationship but that is another story!).
2.By whom?
To answer this question lets reflect on some classical writings/plays concerned with the loving affairs of vampires: Dracula, Nosferatou , Anne Rice?s Interview with a Vampire and Vampire Lestat, the TV series Vampire:The Masquerade and to a lesser extent some non classical films like Innocent Blood,.The Lost Boys, Blade, Fright Night.
Common points, vampires are attracted by goodness, inner light, innocence, pureness of heart. Most of the times they hesitate to infect their loving persons and if they do it they do it either upon their request or to save their lives.
Also they can bear children either through the union of vampire+vampire or vampire+mortal.
So Valen should romance only with good or neutral characters not evil ones.
Evil ones you lose, you remind her very of herself, the lady could not even bear to see herself inside of a mirror because deep inside,like all vampires she trully detests what has become and you stimulate only her killing insticts not her heart.
All races should be open as long they are Baalspawn and male. Baalspawn because as she has inside her the blood of Bodhi,Queen of Murder you have inside you the blood of Baal God of Murder and that arouses her a lot. Male because she adores her Mistress too much to let her heart beat for another female.
Because of that concurrent romances are forbiden, if the PC romances another <<lesser>> female, Valen looses interest forever.
3.Romance Highlights
3.1 Random attacks
If the PC is romanceable according to her standars every time she attacks an innocent there should be 3 reactions 1.Stop her (romance continues)
2.Say nothing(romance stops)
3.Incourage her(romance stops).
3.2 Key meetings
To me you cannot romance Valen as you would romance any other woman. She is a vampire obsessed with blood, power,death and her Mistress so a kind of romance could start only after bodji?s death but also key meetings could provide the basis for some <<lovetalks>>.
Safanas, Roger the Fence, Inspector Brega,Dace Sontan,Bodji rejecting her in Speelhold, Van Helsing, meeting Bodji before the final battle should generate appropriate dialogues.
I have writen the dialogues for all the above 7 meetings, as an example I present you the following:
3.2.2 Roger the Fence
After Valen and Roger finish talking
Roger:You are very lucky to have her in your party,my friend.Even as a youngster her skills were exceptional. She was the best female rogue I have ever seen and she easily surpassed many men who ranked high among our guilt.
Valen(brings her hand in front of her mouth and laughs): Thank you Roger,it?s being a long time since someone praised my abilities?and stayed alive to talk about it.
Roger:It is true my dear.From the first time I have known you I saw that you were destined to become one of the best thieves ever. It was strange how lazy and sleepy you were during the day and how your senses seemed to wake up when darkness emerged.You could become one with the shadows and you never failed any of your missions.Do you remember little one, I was saying that your mother should be a hawk, your father?
Valen:?a wolf, my grandmother and grandfather should be a bat and a owl.Yes I remember that Roger and I must admit that you were right for at least two of the animals mentioned.
1. Enough talking with the two of you. Valen if I wanted a telling stories person I should have taken HerDalis instead of you. And you,thief who are so fond of her I think that you would change your mind if only you knew what she has become?
2. It seems that the two of you go a long way back in time, Roger.
(1)Vanen(filled with anger): Don?t you dare telling Roger about me. Do that and I swear you won?t live to regret it.(end of romance)
(2)Roger: You are right, friend.Many years have passed since the first time she came to me little in age but fearless and strong in the heart to sell me her? what was it really?
Valen:A benjouril and a pearl necklace straight from the pockets of two noblemen back in Baldur?s Gate. Trully Roger now you mentioned it, I realize how long we know each other.
Roger(stares her with great affection): Yes little one and you havent lost none of your beauty and youth. How strange indeed. (whispering to (charname): I have never told her but for me she will always be the little daughter I never had)
Valen(almost blushing): I?ve heard that. But surely Roger you must have known many women when you were younger.How is it and you never got married?
Roger(eyes filled with sadness): I once fell in love with a very beautuful woman named Alven with a skin whiter than the purest snow and hair darker than the darkest night .Her burning eyes were piercing my soul and her fiery embrace set my body on fire. We always met afterhours but one night she told me that it would be better to stop seeing each other.She left after that and never saw her again. It took me a hell of a time to recover but I never forget her I?(Roger is overwhelmed with sorrow, he stops talking)
Valen: That?s why you live in this dreadful place Roger.After so many years and still you are in love with her.How remarkable.
Roger:Yes little one, indeed. Please (charname) follow me I would like to speak to you in private.
Here like Solaufein Roger takes you away from the group and then starts talking.
Roger: (charname) there are things that I would like to tell you about Valen but I am afraid that I will only expose her in great danger. I know what she is and what Bodji has done to her soul as I know that as her mother she can only be saved by love.In you I see myself many years ago but our difference lies in our strenght, I could do nothing to save Alven whereas, when time comes, you can protect my little Valen.
1. So you and Valen are..
Roger: You will understand everything when time comes (charname). Until then protect her mainly from herself, you see she was never being loved , she possess great power yes, but she is also so full of anger and hate for the world that caused her so much pain. And beyond that sharpen your skills, become stronger and first of all stay alive because the true challenge has yet to come,it lies somewhere in the distant future.
1.You speak of Irenicus Roger?
Roger: There are forces in Faerum even greater than Irenicus and Bodhi, my boy but with you by her side Valen has a chance, alone she will fall as her mother did. We must stop now she comes toward us.Please don?t tell her anything, will you do that(charname)?
1.I give you my word Roger, until time comes Valen will hear nothing of this.
Roger: Thank you (charname).
Valen(speaks with great curiosity): Have you two finished yet ? (charname) I too enjoy Roger?s company but it is time to continue our mission, don?t you think?
1.Whatever you say Lady Hawk or should I say BatGirl better!
2. Ok Valen, we depart now.(romance continues).
(1). Valen(surprised) :Lady Hawk, BatGirl, I prefer to call me by my name (charname).[whispering :sometimes this child of Baal drives me totally crazy]
1.I heard that!
Valen(speaking in her mind): Damn these Baalspawn abilities, one of the following days I must remind myself to byte off both of his ears.
1. I heard that!
Valen(definitinely wants to kill someone, something, anything):@#$%^&*$#@!(romance continues).
(In some of the other meetings PC's charisma as well as party's reputation play a key role in Valen's reactions. Also through the romance Valen's true identity and her real connection with Bodji is finally revealed.) Another dialogue:
3.2.4 After Dace Sontan is killed
Valen(definitely confused): I admired him and now I have his blood on my hands. Even you (charname) tried to avoid this battle, but he attacked us though he knew he never had a chance against our might. Why?why (charname) an immortal to seak death so willingly?Up to this point I thought that to be an undead would give me great power and happiness but now I really don?t know.
(1). Don?t think of such insignificant matters Valen.Just do what you do best.Kill our enemies and nothing more.(end of romance)
(2).Power and happiness are two different things Vales. You can have all the power of the world and still be unhappy. I believe that true hapiness comes from helping others,trying always to solve their problems, giving them opportunities to become better persons not just by making them stronger,faster even grant them immortality.
(2)Valen: You are wrong (charname).I am happy when I tear up the flesh of my enemies and drink their blood without remorce, without hesitation. I am happy because my Mistress gave me the ability to live for ever and I will thank her for the rest of eternity.
1.I am sure that the vampire whom we have just killed had the same feelings for Bodhi.But then Valen, why he wanted so desperately to end his existance, please try to answer that not to me but to yourself, if you off course have the courage to do that.
Valen(eyes glowing with anger): Silence (charname) I hate you, if Mistress had not ordered me to protect you I would sunk my fangs to your throat with great bliss this very moment . Oh Bodji, please take me back again soon to your loving embrace so that I can be released from (charname)?s unbearable presence
1.Beware of Bodji little princess. She was never human as you were, she doesn?t have feelings for anything and anyone except herself .She sees you as a usefull toll, she will discard you at the very moment you become of no value to her.
Valen: Stop it (charname)your eyes, your body betray you.You trully believe that I haven?t noticed the way you look at me, the way you speak to me.What you have in your mind will never happen.I love my Mistress and no other. When I fullfill my obligation to you I shall leave and you will never, never see me again.You have fallen in love with the wrong wom? vampire, mister.
1.If that?s what you really want Valen, then I pray that your dream will become true, asap.
Valen(pazzled): Asap what?s that, a magical spell or something?
1.As soon as possible my dear woman, as soon as possible.
Valen: Stop calling me like that, or else?
After the end of battle with Bodji
Valen(streches her body then speaks): (charname) now that Bodji is finally dead I am free.Free to go everywhere I like ,to do anything I like even to create my own guilt.Especially now that the organization of Shadow Thieves here in Alkathla is lacking a strong leader there are many opportunities to be exploited by a person with my abilities.
(1). You could have never killed Bodji alone Valen. You owe me big time , don?t you ever forget that.
(2). You will go nowhere Valen.Irenicus is still alive, I command you.
(1)Valen(passes her tongue slowly over her red leaps):And how do you propose we should settle down this? liability of mine (charname)?
A. Just stay with me until everything is over. You can always leave after Irenicus is dead.
B. What about to spend the next night with me Valen. I could make you feel very nice you know.
A. Very well charname. I would stay with you until we fight Irenicus.After that I will think again on this matter.(she stays in the group,romance ok)
B. And I could make you feel very dead charname. Beware of your wishes because they might come true(she smiles) [Valen stays in the party,romance ok]
(2)(if pc?s charisma 16 and more) Valen: I don?t give a damn whether Irenicus is still alive or not charname. This is your fight not mine.For the moment I shall remain in your party but don?t you ever dare to order me again.(she stays, romance ok)
(2)(if pc?s charisma less than 16)Valen: You are too weak to tell me what to do charname. I have helped you as much as you have helped me. I don?t owe you anything so goodbye and good luck with Irenicus.(she leaves the party, takes everything with her)
At this point I propose that if she stays with the PC her allignment to change to lawfull or neutral evil. She has escaped from Bodji?s influence and as time will pass PC's positive influence will become stronger and stronger.
But that's not all!
Continuation in Throne of Baal
Key points: Hand of Blood presented, Valen?s identity revealed, end of romance.
Brief summary of the plot
The Hand of Blood is a powerfull team of female vampires who are after Valen in order to avenge Bodji?s death. They will present themselves the first night after Valen has reached 5,000,000 XP. They will inform her that her mother and Roger?s the Fence wife was Alven, the most powerfull vampire ever walked in Faerum. They will provoke her to attack and they will put a geas on her that will leave Valen with daylight stats until someone manages to destroy the Hand. They will return the next night to claim her and the dilemma imposed on the PC will be obvious.If he truly loves Valen he will defend her even if she will be of no use at her current state. If he drops her, take another ally and manages to win, Valen could rejoin the group but romance is screwed forever. Or he could decide to give her his immortal blood in an attempt to cure her. If that happens his stats will be decreased by 2 points each with his primary ability dropping by 3 points for a period of 48 hours . Potions and spells will be useless unless they will not affect directly his abilities for ex. potions of speed,invisibility, defense, invulnability, healing potions. Equipment could be used but the penalties should be applied here as well, for ex. a girdle of fire giant strenght will grant him 19 str. if he is a fighter.Valen?s abilities will be boosted for the same period by an equal amount.
The moment before Valen?s feeding starts Elminister will appear and after testing the pc if he trully loves her he will give him a potion that will act as greater restoration spell with a duration of 3 turns and a number of anti-level drain amulets which will dissolve whith the arrival of the new day after the battle.. If the pc trully loves her he will proceed to feed her and he will use the potion for himself , the reasons are clear I believe. Gorion also will appear and will offer the PC a magical ring which will instantly heal him or summon Gorion to do that if the Pc?s hit points drop less than 10% of his total, one charge, used only for this specific battle(personally Wes I would prefer the second option you know Gorion emerges with dialogue appearing above his head! ) .
If the pc gave her his blood,two nights after the battle, romance is concluded , .She will change her alignment to true neutral only if the PC agrees to continue doing that on a regular basis(feeding I mean Wes!).
Also if the PC gives her his blood Valen sees him as her mate even if she doesn?t tell him anything at this moment. As a result during combat she will always try to protect him despite her own safety. If PC?s hitpoints fall below 40% she will attack directly the enemy attacking him. If his hitpoints fall below 20% her powerfull instincts amplified by the essence of Baal will tranform her to a creature of great power. This transformation will last for 1 turn and it will be as if she is under the combined effects of Tenser Transformation,Improved Haste and Draw Upon Holy Might also immune to maze,imprisonment. But for the next turn her stats will revert to daylight stats. If it is possible Wes, she should attack the enemy pounding the PC or else the closest enemy senario will be ok.
Propositions for the Hand of Blood team
Akasha(female drow fighter/mage, 9,000,000 XP) Leader of the group, has taken Alven?s place after her death.
Alana(female halfling fighter/thief, 6,160,000 XP)
Norgan(female dwarf berserker, 5,500,000 XP)
Kozat(female half-orc barbarian, 5,500,000 XP)
Narnia(female human monk, 4,950,000 XP)
1.If a player has filled the place with traps before the battle, Akasha should feel it and order Alana to remove them. But if there are traps further away and the player wants to lure some of his opponents there that should be ok.Also if summons exist Akasha should unsummon them as soon as the battle begins.
2.The fighters should ignore summoned animals and concentrate their blows on the strongest enemy near them.
3. Like Valen same immunities, the mist form should be used also by them.
4. The fighters after they have choosen their target they don?t retreat.Either they kill him/her or die trying. That would not apply for Akasha and Alana who would try to weaken the party making things for the 3 fighters more easy. They should engage directly to battle only when one member of their team would face imminent death or they are being directly attacked themselves.
5.Naturally Valen?s presence will make the use of protection from undead scrolls or turn undead ability not the best tactic to use but despite that as long as they stay close to Akasha they should be immune to these.
6. Some ideas about their weaponry:
Akasha
Armour of Blood (elven chain,AC-2, reduces by 2 casting speed,20% protection from fire,cold,magic cold,magic fire, protection from magic.weapons ,true sight,remove magic 1Xday)
Sword of Blood( a dark moonblade, with the abilities of Tsuki +5 and Dakkons Zerth blade)
Bow of Blood: 2handed long bow,thaco +4,+8 against good, dmg +4 piercing,+8 against good, 1d6 acid+1d6 magic per hit (no save), 20% protection from acid,magic., no ammo needed.
Cloak of Blood( AC+2, +4 against good, saving throws +2,+4 against good,+2 constitution, +40% speed)
Belt of Blood( was created for Akasha after Alven?s death, provides total immunity from clasical undead killing methods for Akasha and any other vampire in a 10? radius around her)
Norgan
Inferno:1handed axe, thaco+4, +8 against good, dmg 1d8+4 slashing, double dmg against good, 1d6 fire dmg per hit(no save), 20%protection from fire, 10%chance of decreasing opponent ?s constitution by 2 for 3 rounds(no save).
Freezing Hell: the cold version of Inferno.
Kozat
Dark Lighting: 2handed sword,thaco+4, +8 against good, dmg 2d6 +4slashing ,double dmg against good, 1d6 electricity dmg per hit(no save), 20% protection from electricity, 20%chance of decreasing opponent ?s strenght by 2 for 3 rounds(no save).
Alana
Silent Death: 1handed sword sword, thaco +4,+8 against good, dmg 1d6 +4piercing ,double dmg against good, 50% of extra 10points poison dmg or bleeding dmg 3 rounds,6points/round(no save), adds 1 attack/round, 20% protection from poison, 20%chance of decreasing opponent ?s dexterity by 2 for 3 rounds(no save)
Sling of the Damned: thaco +4,+8 against good, dmg +4crushing ,+8 against good, 15% chance of holding target for 3 rounds(no save), 1d6 fire dmg per hit(no save), 20% protection for fire, no ammo required.
All weapons used only by evil characters, cursed.
A small dialogue the next morning after the romance is concluded:
The next morning
Valens alignment has turned to true neutral since there is no need for her to hunt anymore but she still keeps equal distance from life and death.
Valen:Goodmorning my lover. After the previous night I don?t know whether I should kiss you or byte you.(her laugh warms your heart with the power of a thousand suns).
1.Well you have done them both last night Valen as I can remember. I will need to rest a couple of days, I feel so excausted.
Valen: Rest you say , I totally agree, two days you ?ve said , only in your dreams charname. When the sun sets I will come for you and I strongly advise you to be ready or else?(she opens her mouth, as a warning, her long sharp fangs seems to you very scary now).
1.You ?ve right my dear, it was my idea in the first place, so no need to complain. I would be ready for you , no matter what. (Valen leaves you, totally satisfied from your answer). Solar I beg of you, give me strenght.
Valen:I have heard that charname.
1.... ?
And finally my own redemption scenario:
Epilogues(just key points, Wes's writing is unsurpassable!) :
1.No romance
The same excellent epilogues.
2.Romance ok, Valen has the taint of Baal inside her.
2.1 PC ascends : Valen looses also the essense of Baal and as a result she becomes mortal still one of the best fighter/thieves the world has ever known. She creates her own guilt as she always wanted and after many years she dyies very old,very rich and very wise thanking charname for the second chance he had given her.
2.2 PC gives up his taint remains mortal: Valen becomes mortal as the pc, they have two children named Alven and Roger and live happily thereafter.
Forgive me for the long post if someone would like to receive the whole thing just let me know it, ok?
Cheers Aroc.
After reading all the posts concerning a romance with Valen it is time to express my own views on this topic. Please take in consideration: first that my native language is not English second that I do not see Valen as a classical Forgoten Realms vampire creature and third that everything you will read are pieces of a 30 page writing already sent to Wes but without any reaction from his side.
Views on Valen Romance
1.Should Valen be romanceable?
Absolutely yes. First of all that would give her more depth and should remove the stereotype ?mindless killing machine?.Let?s face it, Valen is a vampire not a ghoul or a jombie, she thinks,feels and imagines how to give Final Death to all of her enemies swiftly and totally! Even Korgan expresses his feelings for Mazy at some point so who says that chaotic evil characters cannot fall in love?
Secondly she is a woman,wild and ferocious indeed, but still a woman.And as a great philosopher once said women live for only one reason: to experience a great overwhelming passion even once in their lifetimes(although feeding and sex have a close relationship but that is another story!).
2.By whom?
To answer this question lets reflect on some classical writings/plays concerned with the loving affairs of vampires: Dracula, Nosferatou , Anne Rice?s Interview with a Vampire and Vampire Lestat, the TV series Vampire:The Masquerade and to a lesser extent some non classical films like Innocent Blood,.The Lost Boys, Blade, Fright Night.
Common points, vampires are attracted by goodness, inner light, innocence, pureness of heart. Most of the times they hesitate to infect their loving persons and if they do it they do it either upon their request or to save their lives.
Also they can bear children either through the union of vampire+vampire or vampire+mortal.
So Valen should romance only with good or neutral characters not evil ones.
Evil ones you lose, you remind her very of herself, the lady could not even bear to see herself inside of a mirror because deep inside,like all vampires she trully detests what has become and you stimulate only her killing insticts not her heart.
All races should be open as long they are Baalspawn and male. Baalspawn because as she has inside her the blood of Bodhi,Queen of Murder you have inside you the blood of Baal God of Murder and that arouses her a lot. Male because she adores her Mistress too much to let her heart beat for another female.
Because of that concurrent romances are forbiden, if the PC romances another <<lesser>> female, Valen looses interest forever.
3.Romance Highlights
3.1 Random attacks
If the PC is romanceable according to her standars every time she attacks an innocent there should be 3 reactions 1.Stop her (romance continues)
2.Say nothing(romance stops)
3.Incourage her(romance stops).
3.2 Key meetings
To me you cannot romance Valen as you would romance any other woman. She is a vampire obsessed with blood, power,death and her Mistress so a kind of romance could start only after bodji?s death but also key meetings could provide the basis for some <<lovetalks>>.
Safanas, Roger the Fence, Inspector Brega,Dace Sontan,Bodji rejecting her in Speelhold, Van Helsing, meeting Bodji before the final battle should generate appropriate dialogues.
I have writen the dialogues for all the above 7 meetings, as an example I present you the following:
3.2.2 Roger the Fence
After Valen and Roger finish talking
Roger:You are very lucky to have her in your party,my friend.Even as a youngster her skills were exceptional. She was the best female rogue I have ever seen and she easily surpassed many men who ranked high among our guilt.
Valen(brings her hand in front of her mouth and laughs): Thank you Roger,it?s being a long time since someone praised my abilities?and stayed alive to talk about it.
Roger:It is true my dear.From the first time I have known you I saw that you were destined to become one of the best thieves ever. It was strange how lazy and sleepy you were during the day and how your senses seemed to wake up when darkness emerged.You could become one with the shadows and you never failed any of your missions.Do you remember little one, I was saying that your mother should be a hawk, your father?
Valen:?a wolf, my grandmother and grandfather should be a bat and a owl.Yes I remember that Roger and I must admit that you were right for at least two of the animals mentioned.
1. Enough talking with the two of you. Valen if I wanted a telling stories person I should have taken HerDalis instead of you. And you,thief who are so fond of her I think that you would change your mind if only you knew what she has become?
2. It seems that the two of you go a long way back in time, Roger.
(1)Vanen(filled with anger): Don?t you dare telling Roger about me. Do that and I swear you won?t live to regret it.(end of romance)
(2)Roger: You are right, friend.Many years have passed since the first time she came to me little in age but fearless and strong in the heart to sell me her? what was it really?
Valen:A benjouril and a pearl necklace straight from the pockets of two noblemen back in Baldur?s Gate. Trully Roger now you mentioned it, I realize how long we know each other.
Roger(stares her with great affection): Yes little one and you havent lost none of your beauty and youth. How strange indeed. (whispering to (charname): I have never told her but for me she will always be the little daughter I never had)
Valen(almost blushing): I?ve heard that. But surely Roger you must have known many women when you were younger.How is it and you never got married?
Roger(eyes filled with sadness): I once fell in love with a very beautuful woman named Alven with a skin whiter than the purest snow and hair darker than the darkest night .Her burning eyes were piercing my soul and her fiery embrace set my body on fire. We always met afterhours but one night she told me that it would be better to stop seeing each other.She left after that and never saw her again. It took me a hell of a time to recover but I never forget her I?(Roger is overwhelmed with sorrow, he stops talking)
Valen: That?s why you live in this dreadful place Roger.After so many years and still you are in love with her.How remarkable.
Roger:Yes little one, indeed. Please (charname) follow me I would like to speak to you in private.
Here like Solaufein Roger takes you away from the group and then starts talking.
Roger: (charname) there are things that I would like to tell you about Valen but I am afraid that I will only expose her in great danger. I know what she is and what Bodji has done to her soul as I know that as her mother she can only be saved by love.In you I see myself many years ago but our difference lies in our strenght, I could do nothing to save Alven whereas, when time comes, you can protect my little Valen.
1. So you and Valen are..
Roger: You will understand everything when time comes (charname). Until then protect her mainly from herself, you see she was never being loved , she possess great power yes, but she is also so full of anger and hate for the world that caused her so much pain. And beyond that sharpen your skills, become stronger and first of all stay alive because the true challenge has yet to come,it lies somewhere in the distant future.
1.You speak of Irenicus Roger?
Roger: There are forces in Faerum even greater than Irenicus and Bodhi, my boy but with you by her side Valen has a chance, alone she will fall as her mother did. We must stop now she comes toward us.Please don?t tell her anything, will you do that(charname)?
1.I give you my word Roger, until time comes Valen will hear nothing of this.
Roger: Thank you (charname).
Valen(speaks with great curiosity): Have you two finished yet ? (charname) I too enjoy Roger?s company but it is time to continue our mission, don?t you think?
1.Whatever you say Lady Hawk or should I say BatGirl better!
2. Ok Valen, we depart now.(romance continues).
(1). Valen(surprised) :Lady Hawk, BatGirl, I prefer to call me by my name (charname).[whispering :sometimes this child of Baal drives me totally crazy]
1.I heard that!
Valen(speaking in her mind): Damn these Baalspawn abilities, one of the following days I must remind myself to byte off both of his ears.
1. I heard that!
Valen(definitinely wants to kill someone, something, anything):@#$%^&*$#@!(romance continues).
(In some of the other meetings PC's charisma as well as party's reputation play a key role in Valen's reactions. Also through the romance Valen's true identity and her real connection with Bodji is finally revealed.) Another dialogue:
3.2.4 After Dace Sontan is killed
Valen(definitely confused): I admired him and now I have his blood on my hands. Even you (charname) tried to avoid this battle, but he attacked us though he knew he never had a chance against our might. Why?why (charname) an immortal to seak death so willingly?Up to this point I thought that to be an undead would give me great power and happiness but now I really don?t know.
(1). Don?t think of such insignificant matters Valen.Just do what you do best.Kill our enemies and nothing more.(end of romance)
(2).Power and happiness are two different things Vales. You can have all the power of the world and still be unhappy. I believe that true hapiness comes from helping others,trying always to solve their problems, giving them opportunities to become better persons not just by making them stronger,faster even grant them immortality.
(2)Valen: You are wrong (charname).I am happy when I tear up the flesh of my enemies and drink their blood without remorce, without hesitation. I am happy because my Mistress gave me the ability to live for ever and I will thank her for the rest of eternity.
1.I am sure that the vampire whom we have just killed had the same feelings for Bodhi.But then Valen, why he wanted so desperately to end his existance, please try to answer that not to me but to yourself, if you off course have the courage to do that.
Valen(eyes glowing with anger): Silence (charname) I hate you, if Mistress had not ordered me to protect you I would sunk my fangs to your throat with great bliss this very moment . Oh Bodji, please take me back again soon to your loving embrace so that I can be released from (charname)?s unbearable presence
1.Beware of Bodji little princess. She was never human as you were, she doesn?t have feelings for anything and anyone except herself .She sees you as a usefull toll, she will discard you at the very moment you become of no value to her.
Valen: Stop it (charname)your eyes, your body betray you.You trully believe that I haven?t noticed the way you look at me, the way you speak to me.What you have in your mind will never happen.I love my Mistress and no other. When I fullfill my obligation to you I shall leave and you will never, never see me again.You have fallen in love with the wrong wom? vampire, mister.
1.If that?s what you really want Valen, then I pray that your dream will become true, asap.
Valen(pazzled): Asap what?s that, a magical spell or something?
1.As soon as possible my dear woman, as soon as possible.
Valen: Stop calling me like that, or else?
After the end of battle with Bodji
Valen(streches her body then speaks): (charname) now that Bodji is finally dead I am free.Free to go everywhere I like ,to do anything I like even to create my own guilt.Especially now that the organization of Shadow Thieves here in Alkathla is lacking a strong leader there are many opportunities to be exploited by a person with my abilities.
(1). You could have never killed Bodji alone Valen. You owe me big time , don?t you ever forget that.
(2). You will go nowhere Valen.Irenicus is still alive, I command you.
(1)Valen(passes her tongue slowly over her red leaps):And how do you propose we should settle down this? liability of mine (charname)?
A. Just stay with me until everything is over. You can always leave after Irenicus is dead.
B. What about to spend the next night with me Valen. I could make you feel very nice you know.
A. Very well charname. I would stay with you until we fight Irenicus.After that I will think again on this matter.(she stays in the group,romance ok)
B. And I could make you feel very dead charname. Beware of your wishes because they might come true(she smiles) [Valen stays in the party,romance ok]
(2)(if pc?s charisma 16 and more) Valen: I don?t give a damn whether Irenicus is still alive or not charname. This is your fight not mine.For the moment I shall remain in your party but don?t you ever dare to order me again.(she stays, romance ok)
(2)(if pc?s charisma less than 16)Valen: You are too weak to tell me what to do charname. I have helped you as much as you have helped me. I don?t owe you anything so goodbye and good luck with Irenicus.(she leaves the party, takes everything with her)
At this point I propose that if she stays with the PC her allignment to change to lawfull or neutral evil. She has escaped from Bodji?s influence and as time will pass PC's positive influence will become stronger and stronger.
But that's not all!
Continuation in Throne of Baal
Key points: Hand of Blood presented, Valen?s identity revealed, end of romance.
Brief summary of the plot
The Hand of Blood is a powerfull team of female vampires who are after Valen in order to avenge Bodji?s death. They will present themselves the first night after Valen has reached 5,000,000 XP. They will inform her that her mother and Roger?s the Fence wife was Alven, the most powerfull vampire ever walked in Faerum. They will provoke her to attack and they will put a geas on her that will leave Valen with daylight stats until someone manages to destroy the Hand. They will return the next night to claim her and the dilemma imposed on the PC will be obvious.If he truly loves Valen he will defend her even if she will be of no use at her current state. If he drops her, take another ally and manages to win, Valen could rejoin the group but romance is screwed forever. Or he could decide to give her his immortal blood in an attempt to cure her. If that happens his stats will be decreased by 2 points each with his primary ability dropping by 3 points for a period of 48 hours . Potions and spells will be useless unless they will not affect directly his abilities for ex. potions of speed,invisibility, defense, invulnability, healing potions. Equipment could be used but the penalties should be applied here as well, for ex. a girdle of fire giant strenght will grant him 19 str. if he is a fighter.Valen?s abilities will be boosted for the same period by an equal amount.
The moment before Valen?s feeding starts Elminister will appear and after testing the pc if he trully loves her he will give him a potion that will act as greater restoration spell with a duration of 3 turns and a number of anti-level drain amulets which will dissolve whith the arrival of the new day after the battle.. If the pc trully loves her he will proceed to feed her and he will use the potion for himself , the reasons are clear I believe. Gorion also will appear and will offer the PC a magical ring which will instantly heal him or summon Gorion to do that if the Pc?s hit points drop less than 10% of his total, one charge, used only for this specific battle(personally Wes I would prefer the second option you know Gorion emerges with dialogue appearing above his head! ) .
If the pc gave her his blood,two nights after the battle, romance is concluded , .She will change her alignment to true neutral only if the PC agrees to continue doing that on a regular basis(feeding I mean Wes!).
Also if the PC gives her his blood Valen sees him as her mate even if she doesn?t tell him anything at this moment. As a result during combat she will always try to protect him despite her own safety. If PC?s hitpoints fall below 40% she will attack directly the enemy attacking him. If his hitpoints fall below 20% her powerfull instincts amplified by the essence of Baal will tranform her to a creature of great power. This transformation will last for 1 turn and it will be as if she is under the combined effects of Tenser Transformation,Improved Haste and Draw Upon Holy Might also immune to maze,imprisonment. But for the next turn her stats will revert to daylight stats. If it is possible Wes, she should attack the enemy pounding the PC or else the closest enemy senario will be ok.
Propositions for the Hand of Blood team
Akasha(female drow fighter/mage, 9,000,000 XP) Leader of the group, has taken Alven?s place after her death.
Alana(female halfling fighter/thief, 6,160,000 XP)
Norgan(female dwarf berserker, 5,500,000 XP)
Kozat(female half-orc barbarian, 5,500,000 XP)
Narnia(female human monk, 4,950,000 XP)
1.If a player has filled the place with traps before the battle, Akasha should feel it and order Alana to remove them. But if there are traps further away and the player wants to lure some of his opponents there that should be ok.Also if summons exist Akasha should unsummon them as soon as the battle begins.
2.The fighters should ignore summoned animals and concentrate their blows on the strongest enemy near them.
3. Like Valen same immunities, the mist form should be used also by them.
4. The fighters after they have choosen their target they don?t retreat.Either they kill him/her or die trying. That would not apply for Akasha and Alana who would try to weaken the party making things for the 3 fighters more easy. They should engage directly to battle only when one member of their team would face imminent death or they are being directly attacked themselves.
5.Naturally Valen?s presence will make the use of protection from undead scrolls or turn undead ability not the best tactic to use but despite that as long as they stay close to Akasha they should be immune to these.
6. Some ideas about their weaponry:
Akasha
Armour of Blood (elven chain,AC-2, reduces by 2 casting speed,20% protection from fire,cold,magic cold,magic fire, protection from magic.weapons ,true sight,remove magic 1Xday)
Sword of Blood( a dark moonblade, with the abilities of Tsuki +5 and Dakkons Zerth blade)
Bow of Blood: 2handed long bow,thaco +4,+8 against good, dmg +4 piercing,+8 against good, 1d6 acid+1d6 magic per hit (no save), 20% protection from acid,magic., no ammo needed.
Cloak of Blood( AC+2, +4 against good, saving throws +2,+4 against good,+2 constitution, +40% speed)
Belt of Blood( was created for Akasha after Alven?s death, provides total immunity from clasical undead killing methods for Akasha and any other vampire in a 10? radius around her)
Norgan
Inferno:1handed axe, thaco+4, +8 against good, dmg 1d8+4 slashing, double dmg against good, 1d6 fire dmg per hit(no save), 20%protection from fire, 10%chance of decreasing opponent ?s constitution by 2 for 3 rounds(no save).
Freezing Hell: the cold version of Inferno.
Kozat
Dark Lighting: 2handed sword,thaco+4, +8 against good, dmg 2d6 +4slashing ,double dmg against good, 1d6 electricity dmg per hit(no save), 20% protection from electricity, 20%chance of decreasing opponent ?s strenght by 2 for 3 rounds(no save).
Alana
Silent Death: 1handed sword sword, thaco +4,+8 against good, dmg 1d6 +4piercing ,double dmg against good, 50% of extra 10points poison dmg or bleeding dmg 3 rounds,6points/round(no save), adds 1 attack/round, 20% protection from poison, 20%chance of decreasing opponent ?s dexterity by 2 for 3 rounds(no save)
Sling of the Damned: thaco +4,+8 against good, dmg +4crushing ,+8 against good, 15% chance of holding target for 3 rounds(no save), 1d6 fire dmg per hit(no save), 20% protection for fire, no ammo required.
All weapons used only by evil characters, cursed.
A small dialogue the next morning after the romance is concluded:
The next morning
Valens alignment has turned to true neutral since there is no need for her to hunt anymore but she still keeps equal distance from life and death.
Valen:Goodmorning my lover. After the previous night I don?t know whether I should kiss you or byte you.(her laugh warms your heart with the power of a thousand suns).
1.Well you have done them both last night Valen as I can remember. I will need to rest a couple of days, I feel so excausted.
Valen: Rest you say , I totally agree, two days you ?ve said , only in your dreams charname. When the sun sets I will come for you and I strongly advise you to be ready or else?(she opens her mouth, as a warning, her long sharp fangs seems to you very scary now).
1.You ?ve right my dear, it was my idea in the first place, so no need to complain. I would be ready for you , no matter what. (Valen leaves you, totally satisfied from your answer). Solar I beg of you, give me strenght.
Valen:I have heard that charname.
1.... ?
And finally my own redemption scenario:
Epilogues(just key points, Wes's writing is unsurpassable!) :
1.No romance
The same excellent epilogues.
2.Romance ok, Valen has the taint of Baal inside her.
2.1 PC ascends : Valen looses also the essense of Baal and as a result she becomes mortal still one of the best fighter/thieves the world has ever known. She creates her own guilt as she always wanted and after many years she dyies very old,very rich and very wise thanking charname for the second chance he had given her.
2.2 PC gives up his taint remains mortal: Valen becomes mortal as the pc, they have two children named Alven and Roger and live happily thereafter.
Forgive me for the long post if someone would like to receive the whole thing just let me know it, ok?
Cheers Aroc.
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Posted 11 October 2003 - 05:10 PM
I started to read your post, Aroc, until I got to your reason why Valen should be romancable. I however forced myself to continue reading a bit further to be respectful until I saw the reference to other existing Vampire fiction.
You're trying to steer away from one stereo type into another. What's the point, and why should Wes have to alter his existing character completely to fit in with those theories? This story takes place within the FR setting, like it or not.
So would giving her more character without a romance, and would in fact make her unique by not following the stereo types you've suggested.
Again, Valen was MEANT to be evil and not purposed for good aligned parties, and hardly acceptable to a neutral one for that matter. Considering you said you've read through all the posts, I'm sure you already know this, and know why. I will however repeat this for those without the time to dig through all the posts.
Valen was meant to be evil, she forces the party to make all the evil choices, and even pushes the party reputation into the gutter later on. Typically a good aligned character would *NOT* side with the Vampires to begin with, let alone take one into the folds of their party.
I will leave it at that as I didn't read through the rest of your post past skimming it. Though it looked as only offered suggestions to veering her away from being evil.
You're trying to steer away from one stereo type into another. What's the point, and why should Wes have to alter his existing character completely to fit in with those theories? This story takes place within the FR setting, like it or not.
First of all that would give her more depth
So would giving her more character without a romance, and would in fact make her unique by not following the stereo types you've suggested.
So Valen should romance only with good or neutral characters not evil ones.
Again, Valen was MEANT to be evil and not purposed for good aligned parties, and hardly acceptable to a neutral one for that matter. Considering you said you've read through all the posts, I'm sure you already know this, and know why. I will however repeat this for those without the time to dig through all the posts.
Valen was meant to be evil, she forces the party to make all the evil choices, and even pushes the party reputation into the gutter later on. Typically a good aligned character would *NOT* side with the Vampires to begin with, let alone take one into the folds of their party.
I will leave it at that as I didn't read through the rest of your post past skimming it. Though it looked as only offered suggestions to veering her away from being evil.
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Posted 12 October 2003 - 01:29 AM
She's EVIL and a lot of us want her to stay that way. Never lawful.. not TN.. maybe neutral evil but... I'm not sure -- it'd have to be something more compelling than Charname to shift her alignment, however, as Charname wouldn't necessarily be a "good" influence. ..any good and most neutral (excluding CN) character(s) wouldn't or shouldn't want anything to do with her unless they wish to face their own death (by having illusions of redeeming her). B)if she stays with the PC her allignment to change to lawfull or neutral evil. She has escaped from Bodji?s influence and as time will pass PC's positive influence will become stronger and stronger.
The dialogue's look ...intriguing.. rough, obviously; some of them are workable though, IMO. ..but I have a hard time picturing Valen blushing.
Are you redeeming (devamping) her somewhere in there? That would kill it for me. How is she becoming mortal and gaining the taint of Bhaal? via the Anne Rice vampire's if you're "feeding" Valen she would become your mistress and you'd become corrupted by her, not the other way around.
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Posted 12 October 2003 - 10:02 AM
I am with Auvrin here. 
Blushing and "puts hand in front of mouth and laughs" is not the Valen i imagine. some of your dialogs are too "good heartet" for Valen, imo.
Blushing and "puts hand in front of mouth and laughs" is not the Valen i imagine. some of your dialogs are too "good heartet" for Valen, imo.
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Posted 23 October 2003 - 03:47 PM
I was reading some of this thread, and I was thinking about something. I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned or not, but could Valen make the PC a vampire or currupt him/her? I mean if we're talking about someone redeeming Valen, why not the other way around?
It might be a cool thought, and a reason for a good party to take her on. There could be the chance of redeeming her, but the PC could just as easily fall from grace himself.
It might be a cool thought, and a reason for a good party to take her on. There could be the chance of redeeming her, but the PC could just as easily fall from grace himself.
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Posted 26 October 2003 - 04:33 AM
that sounds very intriguing ... i'd play it ... would be interesting to see the pc corrupted as it is in game that the pc is always the one who corrupts others so ...I was reading some of this thread, and I was thinking about something. I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned or not, but could Valen make the PC a vampire or currupt him/her? I mean if we're talking about someone redeeming Valen, why not the other way around?
It might be a cool thought, and a reason for a good party to take her on. There could be the chance of redeeming her, but the PC could just as easily fall from grace himself.
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Posted 26 October 2003 - 05:00 PM
Corrupting a PC would require them to be good or neutral. In other words there is no real point in it seeing as Valen was meant for evil parties.
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Posted 27 October 2003 - 02:03 AM
yeah , exactly was meant and not has to be in bad partiesCorrupting a PC would require them to be good or neutral. In other words there is no real point in it seeing as Valen was meant for evil parties.
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Posted 16 November 2003 - 01:46 PM
People keep seeming to forget that it would just be an OPTION. Same with any kind of redemption, if the OPTION was added to the mod, that doesn't mean you HAVE to romance her or try to redeem her. Why simply because you wouldn't do it should you try to prevent options that would increase the otherall interest in and gaming pleasure of other Valen mod users? But anyway, all of this is moot since authors write and creators write/create for themselves, and if the creator of this mod is happy with how it is now well then thats that. I played through evil once, Valen has alot of promise, and alot of avenues to continue to explore her character and relationship with the PC and her (EX?)Mistress.
Personally before this Mod Valen never really interest me that much, now Mook on the otherhand I had always wished I could save her, heh I tried over and over again to prevent her death the first time i played though, and now that ive learned how to script and ive gone in and read the scripts, they cheated! She just Dies(). Anyway so ive put a change to that, ive added the OPTION where I can prevent her death if I act fast enough, and even have her join my party. If you liked watching mook die can you still let her die, yes..... simply because its there doesn't mean you have to take advantage of it.
Right now im working on what she is gonna say to her (ex?) boss when we report back to him....
Personally before this Mod Valen never really interest me that much, now Mook on the otherhand I had always wished I could save her, heh I tried over and over again to prevent her death the first time i played though, and now that ive learned how to script and ive gone in and read the scripts, they cheated! She just Dies(). Anyway so ive put a change to that, ive added the OPTION where I can prevent her death if I act fast enough, and even have her join my party. If you liked watching mook die can you still let her die, yes..... simply because its there doesn't mean you have to take advantage of it.
Right now im working on what she is gonna say to her (ex?) boss when we report back to him....
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Posted 16 November 2003 - 01:54 PM
what I wouldn't give for an edit button....
But about the corrupting a PC, you mean somehow Valen is going to have a more corrupting influence then the taint of Bhaal? I guess its possible, but I don't see it as very likely. I think someone who has been successfully living and overcoming the taint of Bhaal for their entire life would probably be able to deal with something as simple as a vampire's mind games. Though of course refering back to my previous post, nothing wrong with adding OPTIONS to the mod for people who want to take advantage of them.
But about the corrupting a PC, you mean somehow Valen is going to have a more corrupting influence then the taint of Bhaal? I guess its possible, but I don't see it as very likely. I think someone who has been successfully living and overcoming the taint of Bhaal for their entire life would probably be able to deal with something as simple as a vampire's mind games. Though of course refering back to my previous post, nothing wrong with adding OPTIONS to the mod for people who want to take advantage of them.
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Posted 30 November 2003 - 11:48 AM
Not so much more corrupting than the Taint of Bhaal, just think of it as synergestic.what I wouldn't give for an edit button....
But about the corrupting a PC, you mean somehow Valen is going to have a more corrupting influence then the taint of Bhaal? I guess its possible, but I don't see it as very likely. I think someone who has been successfully living and overcoming the taint of Bhaal for their entire life would probably be able to deal with something as simple as a vampire's mind games. Though of course refering back to my previous post, nothing wrong with adding OPTIONS to the mod for people who want to take advantage of them.
It's also potential for her to approach the corruption in a manner different from how the Protagonist has been facing the beast in the past.
Thing about options, is that they still redefine the character. Which is where the problem comes down to, and I really agree that Valen should be kept as an evil psychopathic killer, to do elsewise, cheapens her.
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Posted 11 December 2003 - 05:36 PM
Valen needs a romance. I am in Ch. 6, and the only Valen specific dialoges are when she talks with an NPC, usually just before she slaughters them. A romance, and some banter would be nice. She mkay be an evil pyscho vampire, but she may, at least a higher levels, want association with someother biengs who are *close* to her power level.
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Posted 13 December 2003 - 09:23 PM
Valen needs a romance.
No she doesn't.
She just needs more interjections, banters, and story building dialogue with the PC, none of which -needs- a romance to accomplish.
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Posted 16 December 2003 - 09:10 PM
I'm with you Auv. No romance, but more banters and more depth of character.
