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[BobTokyo]

But when I spoke of Imoen, I didn't mean the 'soul extraction' itself, I meant the things he did before that, such as dissecting Khalid in front of her. He mentions having to show her some very dark things in order to get what he wanted, and that was what I think was mental torment, first and foremost.

One more comment on this:

What he did to Imoen, he did when holding a position of absolute power over her. She lived, suffered, died and came back at his whim. In the redemption mod setting, he is one of six characters, all of them with near divine power, four or five of them having united against him repeatedly and successfully in the past. He should not have the power to intimidate his "companions", unless a concious decision has been made to cast him as dominant.

Edited by BobTokyo, 30 May 2004 - 06:47 PM.

[Laufey]

But when I spoke of Imoen, I didn't mean the 'soul extraction' itself, I meant the things he did before that, such as dissecting Khalid in front of her. He mentions having to show her some very dark things in order to get what he wanted, and that was what I think was mental torment, first and foremost.

One more comment on this:

What he did to Imoen, he did when holding a position of absolute power over her. She lived, suffered, died and came back at his whim. In the redemption mod setting, he is one of six characters, all of them with near divine power, four or five of them having united against him repeatedly and successfully in the past. He should not have the power to intimidate his "companions", unless a concious decision has been made to cast him as dominant.

Well, Dorotea is the one who makes these decisions, so I will not speak for her. Let's just say that it's another of those matters that comes down to how you interpret different characters, eh?

[BobTokyo]

Well, Dorotea is the one who makes these decisions, so I will not speak for her. Let's just say that it's another of those matters that comes down to how you interpret different characters, eh?

It's the difference between "cosmic terror" and "three time loser".

[BobTokyo]

Heh, any cynic will tell you that in war and conflict, "It's not those who are right who are often the winners, but those who are left". And Jon's still walking around!

IRENICUS:
None shall pass.
CHARNAME:
I have no quarrel with you, good Irenicus, but I must cross this bridge.
IRENICUS:
Then you shall die.
CHARNAME:
I command you, as the protagonist, to stand aside!
IRENICUS:
I move for no man (or woman, as the case may be).
CHARNAME:
So be it!
CHARNAME and IRENICUS:
Aaah!, hiyaah!, etc.
[CHARNAME chops the IRENICUS's left arm off]

CHARNAME:
Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
IRENICUS:
'Tis but a scratch.
CHARNAME:
A scratch? Your arm's off!
IRENICUS:
No, it isn't.
CHARNAME:
Well, what's that, then?
IRENICUS:
I've had worse.
CHARNAME:
You liar!
IRENICUS:
Come on, you pansy!
[clang]
Huyah!
[clang]
Hiyaah!
[clang]
Aaaaaaaah!
[CHARNAME chops the IRENICUS's right arm off]

CHARNAME:
Victory is mine!
[kneeling]
We thank Thee Lord, that in Thy mer--
IRENICUS:
Hah!
[kick]
Come on, then.
CHARNAME:
What?
IRENICUS:
Have at you!
[kick]
CHARNAME:
Eh. You are indeed brave, Irenicus, but the fight is mine.
IRENICUS:
Oh, had enough, eh?
CHARNAME:
Look, you stupid bastard. You've got no arms left.
IRENICUS:
Yes, I have.
CHARNAME:
Look!
IRENICUS:
Just a flesh wound.
[kick]
CHARNAME:
Look, stop that.
IRENICUS:
Chicken!
[kick]
Chickennn!
CHARNAME:
Look, I'll have your leg.
[kick]
Right!
[whop]
[CHARNAME chops the IRENICUS's right leg off]

IRENICUS:
Right. I'll do you for that!
CHARNAME:
You'll what?
IRENICUS:
Come here!
CHARNAME:
What are you going to do, bleed on me?
IRENICUS:
I'm invincible!
CHARNAME:
You're a looney.
IRENICUS:
Irenicus always triumphs! Have at you! Come on, then.
[whop]
[CHARNAME chops the IRENICUS's last leg off]

IRENICUS:
Oh? All right, we'll call it a draw.
CHARNAME:
Come, Aerie.
IRENICUS:
Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off!

Edited by BobTokyo, 31 May 2004 - 07:19 AM.

[Laufey]

Well, Dorotea is the one who makes these decisions, so I will not speak for her. Let's just say that it's another of those matters that comes down to how you interpret different characters, eh?

It's the difference between "cosmic terror" and "three time loser".

Come now - we all know that without the handy 'Spell of Reload', *all* of our respective CHARNAMEs would have been toast.

[Tancred]

*snip Black Knight sketch*

That's what happens when your adversary has a magical construct for a body, I guess!

[BobTokyo]

Come now - we all know that without the handy 'Spell of Reload', *all* of our respective CHARNAMEs would have been toast.

Not mine baybee.

At least not after the first dozen or so times I finished the game, so I guess I conceed the point.

[jester]

You mean you never die during a game??? I award you the title 'Ironman of BG'.

I thought this thread is just some easy chat. I did not expect the Spanish Inquisition during the last 13 pages.

[dorotea]

I thought this thread is just some easy chat. I did not expect the Spanish Inquisition during the last 13 pages. 

Laughs. Oh, they did not burn me at the stake, just yet, for bringing Irenicus back; although sometimes I feel as if some of the posters in this thread would not mind doing this, given half a chance.

[Laufey]

I thought this thread is just some easy chat. I did not expect the Spanish Inquisition during the last 13 pages. 

Laughs. Oh, they did not burn me at the stake, just yet, for bringing Irenicus back; although sometimes I feel as if some of the posters in this thread would not mind doing this, given half a chance.

Stake? That's nothing. What you *really* should fear is...THE COMFY CHAIR!

[fallen_demon]

he's old, older than all NPC:s except perhaps Viconia

Well, let's see. He was a young elf, then he was cursed to "a life no longer than a human's." I'd agree he's older than any other party-joinable except Viconia, since the only other elf is Aerie, but I'd also say he's much less than half Viconia's age. It's also worth noting that by his own word, he's becoming senile and needs to put his thoughts in writing to organize them.

I could of sworn elhan said that Irenicus restored his 'immortality' with death and bhodi through vampirism. Others probably interpit this differently, but i always saw it as 'life-drain style' gaining power from killing others, and the fact that bhodi would willingly become undead imply's its been more than long enough for her to die normally.

[Kish]

I could of sworn elhan said that Irenicus restored his 'immortality' with death and bhodi through vampirism.

Quite the contrary--Demin says that Bodhi tried to restore her immortality with vampirism and it didn't work. No one says anything like that line about Irenicus.

[BobTokyo]

I thought this thread is just some easy chat. I did not expect the Spanish Inquisition during the last 13 pages.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

You mean you never die during a game??? I award you the title 'Ironman of BG'.

It's completely off topic, but Ironman is my prefered play style.

My current best was a full run through BP/BGT/NEJ at core without reloading. To each his (or her) own, eh? Which is why, while I comment on what I like and don't like about interesting mods, I'd never intentionally discourage folks from working on them.

Edited by BobTokyo, 31 May 2004 - 03:57 PM.

[BobTokyo]

Laughs. Oh, they did not burn me at the stake, just yet, for bringing Irenicus back; although sometimes I feel as if some of the posters in this thread would not mind doing this, given half a chance. 

Never, Dorotea.

I might disagree about what I see as the way you've chosen to do this (Irenicus as cosmic terror, level 30+ CHARNAME and company quaking before his dominant might as he continues his abuse), but if I didn't think the project was interesting I wouldn't be looking in at all. Peace, eh?

Edited by BobTokyo, 31 May 2004 - 03:58 PM.

[dorotea]

I might disagree about what I see as the way you've chosen to do this (Irenicus as cosmic terror, level 30+ CHARNAME and company quaking before his dominant might as he continues his abuse), but if I didn't think the project was interesting I wouldn't be looking in at all. Peace, eh?

Hey, no offense was taken. I am a bit overwhelmed with writing at the moment - as the end drows closer I feel like finishing it all in a week... yet I canot honestly force the ending without my usual approach - let the texts simmer and settle and absorb all the input I can get. And there is Ashes... so, I only participate in the discussion when I have time, no disrespect to the other posters... but you guys surely want the mod out eventually, yes?

As for 'cosmic terror' label (I believe that was Domi's chuckle - and although I respect her greatly I find her judgements a little er emotional), yeah I guess he is somewhat overpowered - but I am only following the logic of the original plot and the idea that Jon was still a formidable rival worth defeating, therefore PC and the npcs should be wary of him.

The whole concept of him joining and the plot behind it though, ensures that Jon is 'totally and completely' under PC's control, basically his unlife is tied to that of PC and the contrast between his status as almost a slave in the group and his still formidable powers puts in a twist that makes the dialogs sharper and more bitter if you like... But I don't think Irenicus is in a position to 'torment' anybody in LR, just the opposite.

If you are so imaptient - why don't you ask me nicely for a password to the Workroom and read the dialogs? My only condition will be - no public discussions UNTIL THE MOD IS RELEASED.

[dorotea]

We are trying our best to releasethe mod by September... but it is always a gamble. I can only say that over ths week we coded and debugged (mostly) the entire Enclave sequence.

All is left to finish is the scenes inside the ToB.

D.