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[Laufey]

I think of all of these, only Minsc is one who stays with the party after, if the PC can suitably convince him to stay.


Simply out of curiosity: why is that? Because Dynaheir's death is unimportant to him? Because he is really retarded and forgets who Irenicus was and sees no difference between Irenicus on the way to redemption and unchanged? Because one just *cannot* deprive a player of Boo?

Maybe because Boo said so? I always did wonder just what that little hamster was up to anyway...

[Xenomorph]

Aarrg! Forgot to login again!
Anyway, I was gonna post after that last quote that the choice to download the mod is, of course, completly optional. Don't like it? Don't download it.

BTW what this whole thing between JC and dorotea?

[Laufey]

Aarrg! Forgot to login again!
Anyway, I was gonna post after that last quote that the choice to download the mod is, of course, completly optional. Don't like it? Don't download it.

I agree, definitely. I was only trying to clarify that though some people may have doubts about how it will possibly work, it might just be that they could change their minds if they tried the mod once it's done. You never know for certain until you've tried.

Of course, if a person finds the entire concept very disturbing, then I would probably advice them against even trying - no use in making oneself needlessly upset, I think.

[dorotea]

BTW what this whole thing between JC and dorotea?

Err, tis one of them hate-hate relationship that are hard to explain, and even harder to trace back to its origin. JC thinks I don't respect his writing efforts, I think he gives me too much credit.

[Xenomorph]

That's it? EGAD! That's like Picaso critisizing Dali's work.

[Zandilar]

Heya,

Just a couple of points...

1) Jon Irenicus would not end up in the Abyss after his death. He would merely cease to be. He has no soul, and no divine spark... The former was reclaimed by CHARNAME, the latter had been stripped by the Seldarine.

2) Bioware seem to either not understand how FR's afterlife works, or they like the idea of certain individuals having "special fates" with regards to that. Even if Jon had a soul, he would not have ended up in the Abyss... Unless he was faithful to some CE deity. (Or he accepted the offer of a Tanar'ri while his soul was queued up on the Fugue Plane awaiting Kelemvor's judgement.)

3) I had something to say about Drizzt, but for some reason I fergetted it.

Take all I have written with a grain of salt, as you should all things written on the internet! (Plus I'm working on memory today, I don't have my books with me.)

EDIT: This isn't to say that there can't be a reasonable explanation for Jon's continued existance after SoA. Just don't brush it under the rug, though... I hate that. It's important to know how he survived!

[jester]

I have really enjoyed this discussion and we have come a long way, baby. I enjoyed the arguments and the verve with wich they were brought forth. (Hitler as a Kibbuzim, while Dali and Picasso fight in the background over the use of opaque colours)

I just want to add a simple psychologic, game mechanic idea: Why include Jon and not Biff? Because gamers care about him. Adoring or detesting him (Note: both words perhaps too strong for some) gives his character a unique quality. The player wants to them to play a part. Thanks to the great BG1-NPC-project many characters I did not care about in BG1 will come to life. I never liked Khalid and Kivan much before, but now they will come to life for me.
I have always seen RPing as writing a book while you are reading it. After everybody has been through the routines X times, we might have asked ourselves about how certain things would have gone, if only <add fav. RP shortcoming in BG>. A great deal of romancing, sexuality and different views on the world have seeped through the crevices of the world of BG with many mods and I enjoy (most of) them.

I think it is only fair that some people reject certain ideas as not fitting their world. I cannot get myself to romance my half-sister Imoen no matter what. From outside I appreciate the work that went into that mod, but I reject its content as part of my game experience. As much as I knew that domi would never come to a conclusion they would both be happy with (kindred spirits I guess ), I think that many will value 'RtlR' as a great addition to their 'story'.

Slightly off topic: I think the argument to taint or corrupt some other NPCs would also be tempting for all those who got shortchanged on their evil needs.

[Laufey]

Slightly off topic: I think the argument to taint or corrupt some other NPCs would also be tempting for all those who got shortchanged on their evil needs.

Oh, I very much agree with that! As I said somewhere higher up in this thread, I think Nalia would be an excellent prospect for a corruption.

[dorotea]

Hey - I am fine with that, JC can take the 'blue' period and L'Absinthe (or maybe the Girl in a Chemise ?) , whilst I will go for Liquid Time and Dream Caused by Flight of a Bee.

[dorotea]

Ah, I forgot you had that fascination with rear pelvic area in chain mail bikini...

[Merja]

Ah, I forgot you had that fascination with rear pelvic area in chain mail bikini...

So do I, actually

* Maria goes to repent *

[Seifer]

Your diary? I was under the impression that it was standard issue for all the masculine types round here.

[dorotea]

Actually, I find nothing remotely wrong or unusual in male fascination with female anatomy. After all, most of the art is about sex - let's face it. My personal grievance is not erotic content - but the quality of thereof, and the imagination of the author depicting it. As in - if it is bland and repetitive it is not exciting, it is comical.

The funny part is, many would consider both Dali

http://digilander.li...li/galleria.htm

and Picasso (in some of his black and white drawings)

even more 'obscene' than Vallejo.

http://www.aumania.it/fa_vallejo1.html

And all 3 artists are listed on some religious sites as 'satanic' .
I prefer Dali - but simply because he is a better artist. The amount of the naked female flesh on his paintings is about the same as on Vallejo's - but his sense of color and perspective are simply fantastic, whereas Vallejo, well... lets face it is a pin-up.

http://members.at.in..._caused_bee.jpg