As for age, well, if the PC is human, Dante's only a year younger then the PC, so the PC should be young to take on godly creatures. and I honestly think Nalia is probably 18-22, with Anomen and Minsc in the mid-to-late twenties range. Anybody got offical ages (I only know Imoen and PC are "supposedly" 20, and Keldorn in the 40's range)?
I think PC is slightly over 20, but it does not really matter. If I remeber correctly, a boy could have ben squired since a relatively early age, while he would not have followed his knight in battle untill fully grown. In fantasy literature, we always find the exceptions however. I trust that Jaime Lannister, in the Song of Ice and Fire, rode in the tourney at the tender age of 14, and was raised to an elite position of Kingsguard due to his prowess (plus his twin sis' intrigues and the mad king's wish of course) and the legendary Ser Barristan Selmy rode as a mystery knight at what? ten or twelve? Now, we all know that Martin tends to make his "young" characters much more adult than it is realistic (an eleven years old boy for example conssiders himself "almost a man grown"), but the circumstances can make people to mature faster. Even if he did not yet come to his full strength, at 19 he will be already considered mature enough for a warrior.
As for his homosexuality, perhaps, he will have a "cover up" for it to be accepted/arranged by the Order, either intentional (ie a noble lady or a merchant's daughter who trusts that a married position gives her a free hand to do as she pleases) or unintentional (bethroted or a wife in his native village (perhaps married/promissed at an age of 13-16, who is either waiting for him in an akward status of neither woman wed, nor a widow, or shunned as a wife of a man who is "adventuring" instead of good old-fasioned tending crops, as a good man should?)
Dante NPC Mod planning
Started by Lady LeFay, Feb 29 2004 05:45 PM
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 12:08 PM
I wouldn't worry about tiptoeing around sensibilities if I were you. Do not by any means feel as if you can't speak your mind.Well, Forgotten Realms I guess believes it to be minor evil. I will not say my own opinions (Otherwise I will be threatened, again) so I will just stay quiet...
Why anyone would want to silence an opposing viewpoint or refuse to even acknowledge it doesn't help. In my opinion, no paladin order would feel comfortable with homosexuality. Keldorn would certainly make an issue out of it. This debate really is unavoidable.
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 12:29 PM
Completely unofficial.Well, the only article I found that mentions homosexuality in the Realms is this:
http://www.lysator.l...-sexuality.html
Who knows how official it is,
Why?In my opinion, no paladin order would feel comfortable with homosexuality. Keldorn would certainly make an issue out of it.
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 12:35 PM
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In my opinion, no paladin order would feel comfortable with homosexuality. Keldorn would certainly make an issue out of it.
Why?
he is an inquisitor (very brutal individual, frankly Keldorn is a bit soft for one)
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 12:46 PM
Yes, he is an inquisitor. That is, he is a paladin dedicated to fighting evil spellcasters. Don't confuse the real-world Inquisition with the paladin kit. Real-world inquisitors would be LE, not LG and certainly not paladins.
Of the sun, actually.[Lathander] is god of fertility, spring and happiness...etc (something along those lines )
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 12:51 PM
Of the sun, actually.
close enough
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 01:19 PM
I thought that was Amaunator who was the sun.(Or did Lathander get that part of his portfolio?)
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 01:35 PM
yeah, two peas and a pod boy has a point. I didn't think anyone got Amaunatour's portfolio, he had faded away instead of actually dying.
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 01:39 PM
IIRC: Amaunator is 'dead', for lack of a better term, and the Church of Lathander has taken up some of the roles and tenents of Amaunator's ethos.I thought that was Amaunator who was the sun.(Or did Lathander get that part of his portfolio?)
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 01:43 PM
@Felstorm's Daemonhunter- Shweeeeet!
hopefully a daemonhunter and a death knight, the pc will get the choice on which to help on their fight then the victor can join with the PC.
Amaunator is 'dead', for lack of a better term
how did he die? just lack of followers?
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 02:17 PM
This debate most assuredly is avoidable when we remember that homosexuality is not mentioned in source material - there are no "rules" regarding it. Therefore, it becomes a matter of personal opinion. Since this mod is a work of creativity it falls to the writer to make it applicable and/or believable.In my opinion, no paladin order would feel comfortable with homosexuality. Keldorn would certainly make an issue out of it. This debate really is unavoidable.
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 02:31 PM
I have to admit, Keldorn, usually isn't too judgmental, provided he feels that you aren't evil, but while he might not be persecutive, I think he would at least try to convince Dante to be straight.
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 02:36 PM
But why? Why do you think Keldorn would see anything wrong with homosexuality at all?
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 02:53 PM
Hmm...I guess, there could be a number of different reasons, f.example, he
-sees it as a vice of spoiled rich kids, same as smoking Black Lotus and seeing it in a nice young lad, who is a paladin, infuriates him, just like Viconia does
-because his Order takes stand against it and he acts accordingly (it is a choice of a writer)
-because he believes it an evil influence of a corrupting diety of his chosing
-because he pities a man who denies himself a wife and children and optimistically trusts that "the right woman" should set it all streight
-because he thinks that a man who did not father a child on a woman is no man
There are no indications that he has any such view in the game, but there are also no indications that he does not.
He seems to be really uptight about his wife's supposed adultery, untill he learns that no physical act actually took place, so he sounds like a more conservative man as far as family life goes.
*Shrugs* it is as pointless discussion as whether Imoen was raped or not.
-sees it as a vice of spoiled rich kids, same as smoking Black Lotus and seeing it in a nice young lad, who is a paladin, infuriates him, just like Viconia does
-because his Order takes stand against it and he acts accordingly (it is a choice of a writer)
-because he believes it an evil influence of a corrupting diety of his chosing
-because he pities a man who denies himself a wife and children and optimistically trusts that "the right woman" should set it all streight
-because he thinks that a man who did not father a child on a woman is no man
There are no indications that he has any such view in the game, but there are also no indications that he does not.
He seems to be really uptight about his wife's supposed adultery, untill he learns that no physical act actually took place, so he sounds like a more conservative man as far as family life goes.
*Shrugs* it is as pointless discussion as whether Imoen was raped or not.
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 02:59 PM
"Why do you think Keldorn would?" isn't the same question as, "Assuming he does, what would be his reason?" which seems to be the question you're answering.
You don't have to be conservative to object to being cheated on.
...?He seems to be really uptight about his wife's supposed adultery, untill he learns that no physical act actually took place, so he sounds like a more conservative man as far as family life goes.
You don't have to be conservative to object to being cheated on.
Nor is this established--just incidentally.untill he learns that no physical act actually took place
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"Assuming he does, what would be his reason?"
Yes, that the question I am answering, because it is not up to me to make choices in that matter. It is something which the game does not have strong evidence for.
You don't have to be conservative to object to being cheated on.
Of course you do not. But Keldorn *seriously* considers sending his wife to PRISON for it! A person can grab for a knife in hot blood, but thinking of a legal punishment for cheating is something imo hard-core conservative.
Nor is this established--just incidentally.
Not quite sure what you mean, but he yelles at Sir Ryan, untill Sir Ryan mentions that he is a spent whick or whatever, reffering to his impotency. After that Keldorn listens to reason.
Yes, that the question I am answering, because it is not up to me to make choices in that matter. It is something which the game does not have strong evidence for.
You don't have to be conservative to object to being cheated on.
Of course you do not. But Keldorn *seriously* considers sending his wife to PRISON for it! A person can grab for a knife in hot blood, but thinking of a legal punishment for cheating is something imo hard-core conservative.
Nor is this established--just incidentally.
Not quite sure what you mean, but he yelles at Sir Ryan, untill Sir Ryan mentions that he is a spent whick or whatever, reffering to his impotency. After that Keldorn listens to reason.
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 03:17 PM
He asks, "Do you want to have a child who is not even yours?"Not quite sure what you mean, but he yelles at Sir Ryan, untill Sir Ryan mentions that he is a spent whick or whatever,
Sir William replies, "Hmph! Unlikely--I have been a spent wick for many years." Whether that refers to impotency or infertility is a matter of interpretation. Since Sir William offers it as a refutation to accusations of wanting to father a child rather than to Keldorn's earlier accusations of lying in bed with Maria, I think it's more likely infertility.
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 03:34 PM
I have to agree, infertility seems the likely one
'being spent' seems to suggest he had enough of what he was suggesting then now with older age he is 'spent' if you will.
'being spent' seems to suggest he had enough of what he was suggesting then now with older age he is 'spent' if you will.
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 03:51 PM
I suppose you're going to want proof before anyone comes to the conclusion that Keldorn and/or his order may not endorse homosexuality? I can sense the approaching footsteps of an all too familiar line of reasoning: since there's no proof in the game that Keldorn denounces homosexuality, this can only mean he welcomes it with open arms! I never tire of that logic.But why? Why do you think Keldorn would see anything wrong with homosexuality at all?
If you use the real world as an example, do you really expect no one in Faerun to take a religious or moral stance against homosexuality?
Keldorn's order was strict enough to severely punish his wife's infedelity, so what else won't it tolerate "at all"?
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 03:54 PM
I think it comes down to what we want to believe ourselves, after all most of RPG are our own creations
but I guess the best way is, to see if you are homosexual which portfolio does it come under, good, evil or neutral and I guess the order and so forth would prolly judge it from their because their own gods would have their own stance in according to it being good, evil or neutral.
but I guess the best way is, to see if you are homosexual which portfolio does it come under, good, evil or neutral and I guess the order and so forth would prolly judge it from their because their own gods would have their own stance in according to it being good, evil or neutral.
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