As for the matter of the after-life, I feel that if an elf dedicates himself, body and soul, to serving Oghma or Mystra, then their spirit should go to that deity. It would not be fair to deprive a deity of one of their Faithful. Although, the elves are a unique case. The way I would do it, the elf would go to Dweomerheart or the House of Knowledge. The spirit would spend most of their time there, but will be allowed to visit Arvandor regularly.
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 08:07 AM
I assume it depends more on the elf in question. Elves almost never worship the deities outside the Seldarine btw -- the reason, I believe, their 'communal Spirit'. I.e. every elf is basically conected with Nature and all other sylvan creatures and treasures the link. Serving non-sylvan deity is a bit of separation form other Tel'Quessir... and as such is not common. Besides, the Seldarine cover almost all the aspects of human pantheon -- for example Corellon Larethian is a deity of both magic and knowledge ( he is also a patron of bards same as Oghma). I wonder how he manages it all, being a warrior-deity on top of it...
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 10:07 AM
Well, that's Corellon for you. The epitome of the ideal of the warrior-poet 
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 11:07 PM
I wonder how it would work for Drow, though. If they were mavericks who worshipped the Seldarine, they might be let into Arvandor. In a more secular society not dominated by Lolth's sadistic, fanatic priestesses, like Sshamath, it would actually not be odd for a Drow to worship Mystra, especially if they're wizards. The same applies to Oghma, who accepts worshippers of all alignments.
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Posted 14 February 2005 - 11:49 PM
Well, supposedly Ellistrae worshipping drow get to Arvandor if they so desire... But I think the drow lack the link with the Spirit regardless... It is sort of unfair methinks. And yes -- I cannot see why would not they want to worship other deities if they dropped Lloth. Viconia picked Shar after all...
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Posted 22 February 2005 - 10:51 PM
Hopefully you are correct and it will all end well. I am trying to stir the story in the right direction -- yet often the characters show the will of their own, believe it or not...
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Posted 22 February 2005 - 10:52 PM
The next Chapter of the Bitter Grey Ashes has been finished and added. It is called
The Chase and can be found here:
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The Chase and can be found here:
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Posted 23 February 2005 - 10:27 PM
I knew Joneleth was going to react very badly to Errilam's idea. For a monarch, Errilam can be rather irresponsible, letting his emotions run so rampant. I suppose Bodhi plans to kill Errilam on this hunt, and that will interfere with Joneleth's own plan. I take it from here one thing will lead to another as the situation goes from bad to worse, culminating in Joneleth trying to take the Tree's power.
As a fellow writer, I understand all too well what you mean about your characters having their own wills. That is the mark of an excellent writer, after all, to make their characters truly become alive. Then we must have faith that Joneleth will make the right choice in the end, as it is he who must ultimately choose.
As a fellow writer, I understand all too well what you mean about your characters having their own wills. That is the mark of an excellent writer, after all, to make their characters truly become alive. Then we must have faith that Joneleth will make the right choice in the end, as it is he who must ultimately choose.
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Posted 23 February 2005 - 11:33 PM
I knew Joneleth was going to react very badly to Errilam's idea. For a monarch, Errilam can be rather irresponsible, letting his emotions run so rampant. I suppose Bodhi plans to kill Errilam on this hunt, and that will interfere with Joneleth's own plan. I take it from here one thing will lead to another as the situation goes from bad to worse, culminating in Joneleth trying to take the Tree's power.
Oh yes, this time you've got it --Bodhi is under geas, but 'dear' brother forgot that he himself left her a loophole in his formulation of the geas... From there it will get worse. Besides, that rune was a bit more than deafness-silence and he missed it - being busy with Errilam and all.
As a fellow writer, I understand all too well what you mean about your characters having their own wills. That is the mark of an excellent writer, after all, to make their characters truly become alive. Then we must have faith that Joneleth will make the right choice in the end, as it is he who must ultimately choose.
Ah - interesting that you confess of being a writer as well.
What do you write? Seriois fantasy or fanfiction? 
I am trying to make his final choice organic and believable -- as you just noted characters do have life of their own. If I manage to prove it to myself that he would ultimately make the right choice -- so he will... Re-learning how to love and be loved is not an easy task after a century or so of rot and corruption...
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Posted 24 February 2005 - 09:59 AM
I've mostly stayed in the realm of fanfiction. Currently, I am trying to write serious science fiction and fantasy. It's not easy, but it's enjoyable, so I don't mind.
I'm sure you'll be able to prove it to yourself and the audience that Joneleth will make the right choice. No one ever said redemption would be easy or instantaneous, but that is what makes it so rewarding when one succeeds. It will be hard, but if it's any consolation, I for one trust Joneleth to make it through.
I'm sure you'll be able to prove it to yourself and the audience that Joneleth will make the right choice. No one ever said redemption would be easy or instantaneous, but that is what makes it so rewarding when one succeeds. It will be hard, but if it's any consolation, I for one trust Joneleth to make it through.
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Posted 24 February 2005 - 06:58 PM
Thank you very much for your nice comments, hopefully I won't disappoint. Btw - do you wish to share your writings maybe as well? If so -- PM me with a link.
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Posted 28 February 2005 - 10:10 PM
I'll think about it. Perhaps I can find some of my old piece.
As for the plot's progression, when we return to the present, I don't suppose Joneleth is going to suffer another fit of 'shameful' weeping anytime soon? That is the one certain way of truly making him lose his calm. The one thing he truly cannot tolerate is being perceived as a coward. That trait carries positive and negative associations, depending on the situation.
As for the plot's progression, when we return to the present, I don't suppose Joneleth is going to suffer another fit of 'shameful' weeping anytime soon? That is the one certain way of truly making him lose his calm. The one thing he truly cannot tolerate is being perceived as a coward. That trait carries positive and negative associations, depending on the situation.
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Posted 11 April 2005 - 05:30 PM
The latest Chapter 51 of the Bitter Grey Ashes' online novel has been added. It is called 'Taming of the Shrew' and can be found here:
http://www.onlinefic...Ashes_ch51.html
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Posted 11 April 2005 - 07:36 PM
Read, and I'm looking forward to the next chapter. I'm glad to see that you are continuing to write this story.
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Well, that's the end of the king. Somehow, I have a sneaking suspiscion that Bodhi's two henchmen are going to be rasied as undead. After what they did, I'm not sure their spirits will be allowed to enter Arvandor.
The situation did seem to be partially Ellesime's responsibility. She should have had more faith in Joneleth's innocence, though I suppose it is understandable that she thought he was guilty.
As for Mirriam, well it's nice, I suppose, to see her regaining her old vitality.
The situation did seem to be partially Ellesime's responsibility. She should have had more faith in Joneleth's innocence, though I suppose it is understandable that she thought he was guilty.
As for Mirriam, well it's nice, I suppose, to see her regaining her old vitality.
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Just looking ahead, how far north will Joneleth be travelling? Anywhere near Waterdeep? Perhaps he could meet one of the dragons in the north, like Olothontor, the Minstrel Wyrm. For a chromatic dragon, Olothontor seems pleasant enough. Interesting that a chromatic dragon would love and appreciate music so much. That seems more like a hobby for a gold dragon. Compared to Iryklagathra, Olothontor is friendly. If Joneleth happens to stumble into his lair, providing good music and a lot of it will ensure his survival, perhaps even a reward if Olothontor loves his performance. Come to think of it, Olothontor might be interested if Jon showed him the interesting application of phantasmal force that he used back when replicating Omwo's music.
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 12:55 PM
Finally finished and added new Chapter (52) of the Bitter Grey Ashes -- it is called Haunted Reverie and can be found here:
http://www.onlinefic...Ashes_ch52.html
If all goes according to my plans the 'Royal Hunt' will be finished in two-three more installments, and then I can go back to the future.
Maidros was so kind as to make a table in pdf format, explaining the Royal Hunt timeline.
The teble can be found at the bottom of the page. My aplogies for once again being so late with updates -- I was on vacation and than very busy at work.
http://www.onlinefic...Ashes_ch52.html
If all goes according to my plans the 'Royal Hunt' will be finished in two-three more installments, and then I can go back to the future.
Maidros was so kind as to make a table in pdf format, explaining the Royal Hunt timeline.
The teble can be found at the bottom of the page. My aplogies for once again being so late with updates -- I was on vacation and than very busy at work.
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I find myself becoming increasingly irritated at Goldfeather. I take a certain perverse pleasure in knowing that Joneleth's first attempt to take the Tree's power will probably cause Goldfeather a great deal of personal pain. Goldfeather may get his wish of seeing Joneleth's downfall, but at least Joneleth will rob Goldfeather's victory of its sweetness.
I also find myself somewhat annoyed at Ellesime for not having more faith in Joneleth.
That's what the rune did. Did it disrupt Joneleth's reverie that severly that hs body deteriorated so badly? Or was it merely an illusion?
Despite everything he will end up doing, I do feel sympathy for Joneleth. He is innocent, and nobody believes him, not even Ellesime.
I also find myself somewhat annoyed at Ellesime for not having more faith in Joneleth.
That's what the rune did. Did it disrupt Joneleth's reverie that severly that hs body deteriorated so badly? Or was it merely an illusion?
Despite everything he will end up doing, I do feel sympathy for Joneleth. He is innocent, and nobody believes him, not even Ellesime.
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Posted 01 June 2005 - 10:59 AM
Just wanted to say that despite the visible trend , I have no desire to whitewash Joneleth and blame it all on 'divine intervention'. Yes, the vision was a nightmare, caused by curse, but it was not 'real' -- only a bad dream.
And Ellesime's anger was more of a facade, at least until the crime is proven for certain. What I am trying to achieve, is a lot of tension and distress, that would weaken the existing bonds and provoke his later downfall. It had to have started 'somewhere'.
And Ellesime's anger was more of a facade, at least until the crime is proven for certain. What I am trying to achieve, is a lot of tension and distress, that would weaken the existing bonds and provoke his later downfall. It had to have started 'somewhere'.
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Well, there is certainly tension and distress aplenty now. Now that Bodhi's two paramours have killed each other, Joneleth has no way to prove his innocence. He is in a very bad situation.
