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[Littiz]

To her it seems something stupid as gender wouldn't get in the way of feelings. She see's a man/women for who they are, not for what they are. Or vice versa?

If she can't "see" something as "stupid" as gender, I figure she needs quite some glasses...

ouch, the two "hot topics" are still alive We will age with them it seems

[Jinnai]

[quote name='Littiz' date='Apr 28 2004, 01:08 AM'] [QUOTE]ouch, the two "hot topics" are still alive We will age with them it seems [/quote]
This is the thread that never ends...
It goes on and on and then...

[kirkjobsluder]

Just make a decision based on the story you want to tell. In other words, it depends on how her sexuality relates to the rest of the plot.

It my opinion, she can be done either way as long as it is well written. What would bother me more is if you choose to make her bisexual simply by making ignoring PC gender.

[Quitch]

The assumption has always been that this is because she thinks of herself as the sister, though I suppose it could be, if you wanted to push it, that it's simply that the player is the wrong sex for her tastes.

I don't want to discuss this line in relation to the chances of a romance, as this is the wrong topic for that,

[Imrahil]

She never says so.  Granted, this one's been covered, but I look at it like the Bhaalspawn taint (in terms of statistics, nothing more).  [snip]  Similarly, there's no reason to think of her as lesbian/bi unless she says or does something to indicate she is.

She never says she's straight either. She indicates a reaction to Haer'Dalis flirtation/observation, period. The word I like to use is "subjective"; all you're going to "prove" is that you have your own opinion.

I guess that's why I wrote "My take on Imoen is that she's hetero, but I'm not 100% positive. The reasons I think so are..." - almost like I was being subjective, even. I pointed out that I tend to think of people who don't say one way or the other as hetero, until given a reason to think otherwise, much like I assume the other characters aren't Bhaalspawn unless I have a reason to think they are.

So, since you mention statistics, don't you find it a little odd that not one single NPC expresses anything remotely resembling attraction to the same sex?

Then I suppose I could make the case that Imoen must be hetero, since everyone in BG is hetero - but I don't believe that.

I believe some subset of the population would be gay/bi. However, I assume each individual, Imoen included, is hetero unless I have a reason not to, since that's the default. I don't assume Frennedan's a doppelganger until he changes, I don't assume Viekang's a Bhaalspawn until he says so in ToB, & I won't assume Imoen's a lesbian until she indicates she is. Note that I'm not saying she's definitely not, just indicating what my opinion is based on.

  Even the prostitues rebuff you if you're not the proper gender - you don't buy the arguement, so I won't bother mentioning that TSR, WotC, and now Hasbro have "Family Friendly" policies in place.

I think it's funny that you use what the *prostitutes* say to show how the "Family Friendly" policy is maintained.

I think you underestimate.. you know what, I'm not even going to bother.

That's the spirit!

btw, there's a big difference between carrying the logo - because Imoen is intellectual property - and writing it themselves

If you say so - I don't see that big of a difference, personally. If they're willing to have a non-"Family Friendly" portrayal of their intellectual property in one medium, why forbid such a portrayal of the same intellectual property in another medium?

- Imrahil

[Imrahil]

How is Imoen going to state, or show otherwise, when no one else in the game does?  How is it that not one NPC (not one!) displays these tendancies?

Incidently, I went & checked what Galvena's courtesans actually say to a same-sex character:

"Oh, move on, then. There are girls/fellas who'd appreciate some time with ye, but I ain't one of 'em."

So, it appears that there do exist NPC's who display those tendencies - just not the ones you happen to talk to.

- Imrahil

[Jinnai]

Wel since Bioware has all the pcs as being heterosexual, for good or bad IYO, its unlikely they would make an exception for Imoen, especially since they ended up including her and she ebcame a key character.

[Bane]

She should be bi so it makes both parties happy (male and female) and also it would coincide with the Chloe mod

[Quitch]

My interest is not in making people happy.

[The Masked Marionette]

How is Imoen going to state, or show otherwise, when no one else in the game does? How is it that not one NPC (not one!) displays these tendancies?

Maybe because the majority of the NPCs aren't really the kind that are going to rush up to the PC and say "Wellmet, <CHARNAME>! I'm gay!"

The majority of people, even now, are still heterosexual. Assuming that in the Forgotten Realms there's no taboo on homosexuality (and considering that men and women are considered equal, it wouldn't surprise me), the majority of people are still going to be heterosexual.

So, you could say that maybe there ARE homosexual people in BG, you just don't meet any obvious ones.

Now, to get back to Imoen specifically, I don't really see any reason why she would be homosexual. As someone said before (sorry, can't remember who it was and I'm too lazy to check now that I'm on a roll), the 'default' (if you like) sexual preference is straight. So it seems rather peculiar to think of Imoen as anything but unless there's some kind of hinting towards this.

I think if ANY of the female characters were homosexual, Viconia would be. It just seems to make sense for a drow.


Anyway, I'm sure someone else also said this before, but I'll say it anyway: If Bioware can put torture, prostitution, slavery, sex, profanity and even bloody drug abuse into a game, I think they could get away with some hinting at homosexuality. Considering the amount of uproar there's been in games about 'more important' considerations (racism, for example), I really can't see a publisher freaking out at the idea of homosexuality in a game, unless the higher-ups are all homophobes.


In summary: I think there might be a tiny smidgen of a chance that Little Sis is bi, but I'm 90% sure she's straight.
...Or maybe 87%.
I'll probably completely change my mind in about 24 hours.... but nevermind, eh?

[stinky_Ogre]

Are you kidding? Do you realize the stigma homosexuality bears? If the main character of a game was a homosexual, the game would sell crap. Not only would the developers be stigmatized, but so would anyone buying the game. Drug abuse is common, and has the rebellious approach. Sex is sex. There's enough of it in magazines, television, and the streets. Slavery is pounded into children's heads at a young age as a bad thing. Torture, well, I doubt many parents think to themselves, "Boy, I hope my child isn't a torturer." It is homosexuality that bears the stigma. People are raised to not want to be homosexual. These things should be considered equal, but they aren't. They aren't anywhere near equal.