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[LSWSjr]

I think that mod does a great job of exemplifying what I (truly) believe - that Imoen will love whomever she loves regardless or irrespective of gender.

I'm not sure that society was very accepting of homosexuality even then so Mazzy would not be gay.

I'd have to put a no to Nalia as well.. even tho she professes open-mindedness, she's really not; she's pretty set in her views on heirarchy and such. You've never seen her reaction to a female PC mentioning the marriage 'out' have you?

Just a short response...

Point 1: I agree, about Imoen loving, who she can love regardless of gender... More people-sexual, than homo/heterosexual.

Point 2: That can be considered very true, for what society was like during that period, in reference to our own culture, although don't forget the harems. Also let us not forget Patrick, who could have been considered the love of Mazzy's life. B)

[Quitch]

Since we're going without glass ceilings here, why don't we just give both options for both people. For instance if you say certain things, have her tell you that she is bi. If you say others, that she is simply straight. Just because she's an NPC in the game doesn't mean that she can't and won't lie to you over a sensitive subject, especially if it's very personal to her. That's not saying she's a bad friend to the PC, just that she doesn't want to talk about it with him/her. Perhaps she would make no comment at all if you asked her. She may even get insulted that you would ask something like that of her. If we're aiming to make her as much of a real person as possible who's to say she won't have her own opinions of right and wrong things to say.  

She will be of one sexuality, and that's all there is to it. Now you can argue with her, try to persuade her, have her lie to you... but that has nothing to do with what sexuality she is, which is what this thread is about.

[Kish]

also does rebuff you for suggesting a marriage of convenience if your a female Protagonist

-chuckles- that's putting it nicely; she all but gags.

Nalia has the same revolted reaction if you suggest a marriage of convenience no matter what gender you are. It appears she's much more concerned with, "You're a dirty peasant!" than with, "You're a woman."

[ak404]

Meaningless comment: I really can't imagine Imoen being gay.  I mean, this is after playing around with the Imoen Romance Mod.

Viconia, yes.  Nalia, yes.  Mazzy, maybe.  Imoen, no.

uhmm... if you can't see it after playing the Imoen romance mod you never will. I think that mod does a great job of exemplifying what I (truly) believe - that Imoen will love whomever she loves regardless or irrespective of gender.

Mazzy is lawful; I'm not sure that society was very accepting of homosexuality even then so Mazzy would not be gay. What makes you think Mazzy could be gay but not Imoen?

I'd have to put a no to Nalia as well.. even tho she professes open-mindedness, she's really not; she's pretty set in her views on heirarchy and such. You've never seen her reaction to a female PC mentioning the marriage 'out' have you?

I put down Mazzy being sex with a halfling might be interesting.

Nalia seems to be...let's just say she might try it once just to thumb it in Iesea's nose. Maybe just once. With a noble.

With Imoen...the jury's still out on this one, but so far, no. Then again, I haven't finished it, yet.

[AG3]

I really don't see why so many have a problem with Imoen being lesbian/bisexual. I really don't. Someone said something like "I have nothing against gays/lesbians but if Imoen is lesbian, I won't play the Mod". That's a contradiction of statements, as that person WOULD play it if Imoen was straight. If that is the only reason you don't play the Mod, you have a problem with the issue of sexuality, although not the one of a real person.

Anyone who's played the game extensively knows that there are several places in the game where Imoen's deep affection for the PC shows. Tree of life, ToB banters, Sarevok's comment, after the fight with Mel. I don't know if this could develop beyond deep sibling affection (or if it already is beyond that point for Imoen), but I think it would be presumptuous to say that Imoen's sexuality is one way or the other, and then refuse every other option. NO ONE here can know what Imoen's sexuality really is.

A Mod is a story waiting to be told, a set of possibilities that COULD happen, a glimpse at a fork in the destiny of a Bhaalspawn that happened because of one choice over the other, and not something claiming to be an absolute truth in the BG universe!

This is a Mod, a small piece of the whole, a select piece that portaits a possible chain of events, and therefore it is more appropriate to say "anything could happen" than "that could never happen". Feel free to share your feelings on the subject, do you prefer Imoen this way or that way, after all, that is what this board is about, but don't say things like "Imoen was never meant to be that way", because you don't know that. No one does. This game is more ambigious than a political statement, and left open to every interpretation possible.

My opinion is "I'll play it no matter what Imoen likes". I'm pretty sure it'll be a great Mod regardless. If Imoen is bisexual, fine. It doesn't matter what gender my character is, then. If she's lesbian or hetero, then again it is fine. The story and Imoen's personality will be more clearly defined that way. I see ups and downs with all the options.

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Typos and minor clarifications.

[Jinnai]

So, Quitch, have you decided on some fairly firm idea what her sexulaity will be or not?

Since there is so little info to go on for her sexual preference, then the player should have some input iderectly as to what it is by the way he responds to her.

But it doesn't matter, i may not be playing this depsite the fact it looks good ....i may have the DragonLance TC installed by the timethis mod is done.

[Quitch]

Since there is so little info to go on for her sexual preference, then the player should have some input iderectly as to what it is by the way he responds to her.

Why?

[Jinnai]

Why? Because, no offence, but not everyone has the same view as you. True, you are the one making the mod, but the fact you have this board here means you want our suggestions and each of us has a way we think Imoen should be, including myself.

And she did come out of a life-altering experience which,, as you've pointed out before, could change her prespective, which means, that her sexuality wouldn't have been set it stone. She should have some default setting (hehe sounds kinda wierd) for her sexuality and it would be hard to force her off that path, but it shouldn't be impossible.

[ak404]

Nalia seems to be...let's just say she might try it once just to thumb it in Iesea's nose.  Maybe just once.  With a noble.

okay. but that still doesn't make her a 'maybe' - just like drinking a drink doesn't make one an alcoholic

I think it'd be sorta funny, really. Nalia as a LUG...er, I mean a LURD (Lesbian Until Roenall's Dead).

[jurts]

uhmm... if you can't see it after playing the Imoen romance mod you never will. I think that mod does a great job of exemplifying what I (truly) believe - that Imoen will love whomever she loves regardless or irrespective of gender.

You are making a mistake here, referring to interpret Imoen's behaviour based on a fan-made mod, rather than on her Bioware designed character.
Remember, Mirabbo's interpretation of Imoen cannot be treated like an objective or unbiased one, to make judgements based on his interpretation is, to put it mildly, pretty silly. Not to mention that the other NPC's in his mod are misinterpreted (or should I say "against conventional beliefs") as well.

[Quitch]

Why? Because, no offence, but not everyone has the same view as you. True, you are the one making the mod, but the fact you have this board here means you want our suggestions and each of us has a way we think Imoen should be, including myself.

That doesn't answer my question. Why should her sexuality be changed by the players in-game choices?

[ak404]

One of my complaints about the mod is that the modmaker imposes a personality onto the PC, something that just happens to be the player's job. But enough of that.

As for the sexuality question, while it is important, again, I'm sure Quitch can do the job correctly, maybe even referring to the Bioware staff for suggestions or whatnot.

[Jinnai]

Why? Because, no offence, but not everyone has the same view as you. True, you are the one making the mod, but the fact you have this board here means you want our suggestions and each of us has a way we think Imoen should be, including myself.

That doesn't answer my question. Why should her sexuality be changed by the players in-game choices?

Because even the most stubborn person's personality isn't set in stone.

[Longinus]

There's a reason why the romance NPCs only initiate their respective romances with a player character of the opposite sex: most people are heterosexual. The odds are, Imoen would fall into that category.

This is not an opinion, but rather, a matter of fact.

Personally, an Imoen relationship doesn't appeal to me. Still, no one is unenlightened or bigoted if they believe Imoen is straight based on the above.

Doesn't Imoen have some suggestive dialogue with the male sex slave in Ust Natha and not the female one? Strange that, if she were gay or bisexual.

[Quitch]

Why? Because, no offence, but not everyone has the same view as you. True, you are the one making the mod, but the fact you have this board here means you want our suggestions and each of us has a way we think Imoen should be, including myself.

That doesn't answer my question. Why should her sexuality be changed by the players in-game choices?

Because even the most stubborn person's personality isn't set in stone.

I believe I've said that the sexuality chosen for her will be her sexuality (be it bi, gay or straight), therefore I fail to see why the players choices should have any effect on it. Hence my post.