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[LSWSjr]

Incest is rarely mentioned in D&D at all. Few are the campaigns that even bear mention to it in the manual, let alone anything else.

B) I can see it all now B)

Presenting the new "Throne of Damnation" campaign for 3rd Edition Dungeons & Dragons from Wizards Of The Coast TM.

Including:
New Areas To Explore;
New Enemies To Combat;
New Interractions To Conduct; AND
New "Moral Concerns" To Deal With, With The Introduction Of:
The New "Incest Quests" Featuring:
-Moral Problems & Cases
-Hard To Deal With NPCs Either For Or Against Incest
-And A Step By Step Guide To Bringing "Incest To The Realms"

I mean how strange/insane would that be? Truth is Incest is such a akward subject that to incorporate into a "world" so directly could spell doom for the developers, with them being judged by consumers.

So intead they choose to acknowledge it existence, without drawing attention to it.

For example, they would talk about inbreeding throughout noble families or in tribes, villages and stuff, but never would they refer to it as Incest.

As a distributer of media and such, I know how hard it is to present something that the majority of consumers may not like, while at the same time trying to hide it true origins so as not to get taken down by interest groups and the like.

I agree with your opinion by saying that you would probably find a referrance to such a thing as Incest within some guides to the Realms, but it is so sugar coated so that Wizards Of The Coast TM does not get attacked for it's inclusion of the issue.

Meaning it would not be directly detectable.

LSWSjr of LSWSjr Publications, Australia signing off.

[Gospel]

They didn't advertise "Frontstabbing" enemies, so they could have put something in that the box didn't weveal :(

[Gospel]

Seriously, genetics ARENT a factor, as children of Bhaal are (in my most humble of opinions) siblings in name only, for the simple reason that they were born to different parents.

[Kish sir style!]
No, they aren't, but that doesn't matter when she still sees you as a sibling. Since she's the person you want to romance, I think her opinion is quite important, yes?[/Kish sir style!]

[Gospel ideals|Kish sir style!]
I wish she loved CHARNAME in that way, too... but arguing about something that she seems to have already made up her mind on is the wrong way to go about it.[/Gospel ideals|Kish sir style!]

Meow... methinks it would have to be something that started in BG1 :( Or at least in BG2's starting dungeon. That would seem a bit rushed thoughs :( BLARGH :'(

[Kish]

Seriously, genetics ARENT a factor, as children of Bhaal are (in my most humble of opinions) siblings in name only, for the simple reason that they were born to different parents. This is proven by the fact that {SPOILER} there is a Bhaalspawn RABBIT in ToB! This rabbit must have been born of different parents to [CHARNAME] and the other (humanoid) Bhaalspawn. Therefore it is highly likely that Imoen too was born to a different parerent than [CHARNAME]

Parent. Singular. Mother, to be exact.

All the Bhaalspawn have the same father, by definition, or they wouldn't be Bhaalspawn. Whether Bhaal assumed the form of a rabbit to father one Bhaalspawn, the form of a human to father another, and the form of a halfling to father a third, doesn't matter...he's still Bhaal, and his children are each others' half-siblings, since sharing one parent is the definition of half-siblings.

[Mael]

Bringing real world genetics into fantasy is a bit ridiculous. Not to mention that Bhaal is also a god.

So... what you'd consider as "half siblings" here, is hardly the same as two people spawned to be cattle by a god.

[Sphira]

{SPOILER} there is a Bhaalspawn RABBIT in ToB!

RABBIT!? A RABBIT!? *eyes bug out*

..... Mr. Bhaal wasn't very picky about his partners, was he? I think this also explains the rabbit in monty python, too...

*hides and aplogizes for the OTP*

[Gospel]

RABBIT!? A RABBIT!? *eyes bug out* :o

..... Mr. Bhaal wasn't very picky about his partners, was he?

What's wrong with that, missus Sphira? ?:(

If I were a rabbit, I would :(

[Sphira]

RABBIT!? A RABBIT!? *eyes bug out*

..... Mr. Bhaal wasn't very picky about his partners, was he?

What's wrong with that, missus Sphira? ?

If I were a rabbit, I would

Well, it's just kinda hard to make sense that a rabbit could be a bhaalspawn.

Bhaal was a god, I guess he could do it and I suppose he would made himself a pretty sexy rabbit too but I just don't see the reason of -why- a rabbit. I guess it would be one of those poor spawns that are just power fodder. Tho it would be pretty funny if the 'winning' spawn was the rabbit. Snuggles, the bunny god of murder!

[Gospel]

*purrs* Hehe :)

Maybe he was attracted to the lady rabbit, and turning yourself into one before *aheming*, is much better than just... keeping your current(Possibly humanoid?) form and *aheming* ^_^

Still, that is a little odd :D

Anyways, me just think wabbits are wabbits :) And depending on how smart and niceies she was, and her fur color etc. as a rabbit, He might have been picky! :)

[alustriel]

Sarevok and Imoen calling you brother is just a joke... This is fact in the game? I've played the games more times than I can count and don't recall either one of these "factual" jokes anywhere in the dialogs... Hmmmm....

In actuality, that is just your opinion, just as much as other people believing she thinks of you simply as a brother is theirs... It's all in the perception and how you think of Imoen in your own mind that's the clincher.

And we're all well aware of how *Bhaal* impregnated the mothers of the Children...

[Hendryk]

I'm not clear on the mechanics of the situation. If Bhaal or his avatar directly assumed an appropriate form for the begetting of progeny, then Bhaal must have contributed directly to the genetics of his spawn as they may be of either gender. On the other hand, if he took over the body of an appropriate creature for this purpose, then the possessed creature provided the physical basis for the child and Bhaal's only contribution was the (non-material) tainted essence or soul. In the latter case, the PC and Imoen would not be physical half-siblings at all (unless the same possessed father impregnated both their mothers) and, post-ToB, would not share any metaphysical kinship either. Perhaps there's a sage in town who could do some DNA testing?

[alustriel]

Nearly every case I've ever read about in which a God directly begets progeny used the method of possessing a mortal's body. The Seven Sisters were conceived in this way from mortal women by Mystra. From what I've gathered Bhaal would most likely have done the same for whatever reasons.

[Hendryk]

Nearly every case I've ever read about in which a God directly begets progeny used the method of possessing a mortal's body. The Seven Sisters were conceived in this way from mortal women by Mystra. From what I've gathered Bhaal would most likely have done the same for whatever reasons.

If that's the case, then the PC and Imoen aren't, in all probability, physical siblings at all. They also lose any direct 'spiritual' kinship when Imoen gives up the taint, so there's not any question of incest by Epilogue time.

[alustriel]

It's as likely an assumption as any given the few details we have to work with. My reasons for not liking an Imoen Romance are because I feel in my heart that growing up with someone like that makes them far too much like a brother/sister for comfort, and even though they *might* not be blood siblings, the bond is there (to me) all the same. Mine is more a protest on principle rather than biology.

[Hendryk]

It's as likely an assumption as any given the few details we have to work with. My reasons for not liking an Imoen Romance are because I feel in my heart that growing up with someone like that makes them far too much like a brother/sister for comfort, and even though they *might* not be blood siblings, the bond is there (to me) all the same. Mine is more a protest on principle rather than biology.

Ok. But marrying someone you grew up with is probably the common practice in small, quasi-medieval communties such as are features of fantasy worlds. I doubt it would cause a single NPC to blink. On the other, role-playing, hand you probably did not grow up in a small, quasi-medieval community in a fantasy world and are certainly entitled to your preference in the matter.

[alustriel]

Of course. I find I can't let go of my more modern way of thinking on some issues, just as I feel a bit repulsed at some players need to play evil and slaughter everything that moves. But that's a whole nother topic aye?

[Hendryk]

Of course. I find I can't let go of my more modern way of thinking on some issues, just as I feel a bit repulsed at some players need to play evil and slaughter everything that moves. But that's a whole nother topic aye?

Indeed. I've often wondered how much they'd like playing Evil if the Evil NPCs actually lived down to their alignments. It would at least give a different perspective if they had to fret about waking up dead at a campground because Korgan had murdered the whole party in their sleep for their money.

[Yukarifan]

I agree that Imoen should be romanceable.However, it should proceed somewhat slower than the other romances and with alot more depth to it.Imoen should also be rather uncertain about your relationship with her taking a romantic/intimate turn especially after discovering she's your half sister (also,would she continue it if you become evil or would it drive her away). The best way would be to start out with Imoen's relationship becoming closer to and learning to rely on you more (the pc), with the relationship taking a romantic turn much later(probably around the ToB quests.

With having to deal with everything from being the child of a god to her soul being stolen, having someone that she knows will be there for her will help her (and to some extent you) alot and possibly draw the two of you closer. Besides,having known you for so long,there had to be some possibility of Imoen developing a romance/crush with/on you.

Also,she should be romanceable by characthers of either gender (with specific interactions for both.)This is NOT to turn it into a porn mod but to make it more well rounded.

One idea for possible interactions would be the first time the two of you share a bed together (Imoen: "No, I...I don't mean like that") ;it would be that she just wants you to be close by her,maybe even waking up in your arms [after having a nightmare]. Anything further would take place much later,if at all (most importantly is that she should be rather nervous about becoming your lover instead of your childhood friend/half sister).

Other interactions could be triggered by major events/battles,like a promise to always be together or side quests involving just the two of you.

One a different path, some other things that could be added would be Imoen developing Baal powers similar to yours.

Hope this gives a few ideas. I'm really looking forward to this mod