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Valen Expansion Now in Development

Started by Thorium Dragon, Jan 08 2004 12:02 PM

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#101 -Mah-

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 12:24 PM

Mah-

That sort of comment is probably not the type of thing that is what many people would like to read. They add nothing to the discussion, or creative suggestions pertinent to modding. Please keep your comments clean.

But, I agree the game is in need of a half-orc romance.

I'm terribly sorry, but it IS logical. I mean, follow this pattern:

Valen = a woman -> Women have needs -> Women are easily attracted(like men) to things that are new and different

Hence, it's easy to think Valen might as well have a relationship(mostly sexual at that) with a half-orc. Then again, if this orc character is evil, he could just force Valen to have sex with him. This is also a cold fact of life(rapings does happen), but I don't know if people want to keep BG as a 'my-little-pony-fantasy-nothing-bad-nor-cruel-happens'. I think not. So I guess good options for romancing would be:
a) You can just seduce her and have a physical relationship.
B) You are spawn of Bhaal, you just make her your sex-toy(maybe after fighting her)
c) Real love relationship?

And if someone is going to say "Vampires don't lust" just check out movies like Dracula, Bloody Mary and Interview with an Vampire or read some of the original books. Vampires DO lust. And depending on source, they can also love.

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#102 Trinin

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 01:20 PM

Ummm... *steps several feet away from Mah* Oooh I'd be careful. And yes bad things I should know. And who said vampires don't lust.

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#103 HarvesterOfSorrow

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 08:25 PM

Thorium I would be interested in helping with the expansion if you need any. Or if you really desire to do it by yourself i guess i wont be bothered. But i guess it would speed up the process. If you would just reply ( i hardly check my email 380 new messages and still counting <_<

) alrighty thats about it...

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#104 Thorium Dragon

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 08:10 AM

And of course half-orc. When you are playing evil, you want to take that unique chance of being evil orc-dude

Yeah, I think a half-orc could make sense.

Strange I didn't think of it in my original answer considering my protagoninst in my runthrough is a half-orc.

Thorium I would be interested in helping with the expansion if you need any. Or if you really desire to do it by yourself i guess i wont be bothered. But i guess it would speed up the process. If you would just reply ( i hardly check my email 380 new messages and still counting ) alrighty thats about it...

I appreciate the offer but I prefer to do as much of this as I can. My schedule is too erratic and unreliable for me to feel comfortable commiting others to this project.

I would be interested in a collaborative project in the future, most likely.

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#105 -Guest-

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 09:37 AM

no evil lesbian romance then?

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#106 -Mah-

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 03:00 PM

Ummm... *steps several feet away from Mah* Oooh I'd be careful.

Careful about what? :/

And who said vampires don't lust.

Well, people here are saying that Valen would try to seduce the player because of his position(yes, I'm assuming no lesbian action, shame though, as Valen looks pretty kinky sort of girl). Why can't we just make it so that Valen just wants to have sex? If I've understood correctly, people outside there in the real world(yes, there is one), have sex just for fun. Why Valen should have any deeper motives?

Hence a short recap:
a. Player can seduce/impress Valen to actually 'love' him. Maybe just by being really really evil(like killing kids and taking candies from their dead bodies and giving them to Valen)
b. Player can just have a physical relationship(this should be the easiest option)
c. Player can make Valen his (sex)slave(via fighting perhaps), which leads in to Valen deeply despising you, but who cares anyway, you ARE evil after all. And you get her without the pillow talk

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#107 HarvesterOfSorrow

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 03:48 PM

aye carumba

this isnt exactly a real life representation. and if you really require sex in a game you need to get out of your friggin cave more often. Anyways it doesnt matter to me really its more of the creators choice. But i doubt hes going to include your little fantasies in it...if he does :wacko:

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#108 -Mah-

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Posted 03 April 2004 - 09:44 AM

aye carumba

this isnt exactly a real life representation. and if you really require sex in a game you need to get out of your friggin cave more often. Anyways it doesnt matter to me really its more of the creators choice. But i doubt hes going to include your little fantasies in it...if he does

It's not really about 'my little fantasies'. If you are roleplaying evil, you should know that evil people do evil stuff...still following me? Now which one do you think someone really evil is more likely to do: carry a packet of roses to Valen or just take her?

Besides, have you even played the game? BG already has sex.

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#109 Schatten

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Posted 03 April 2004 - 03:27 PM

mah has a point there.

" and if you really require sex in a game you need to get out of your friggin cave more often."

huya. what do you mean with going out? there is no world outside my room, isnt there?

gentoo sex is updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; emerge --oneshot condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; emerge -C condom; make clean; sleep.

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#110 HarvesterOfSorrow

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Posted 03 April 2004 - 04:53 PM

Yeah, BGII does have sex in it, I have played it obviously. Im just saying sure you could have the option of PC, being evil and all, do that stuff. But just saying you seem a little overly excitable with the raping and stuff. Well anyways Im not arguing about but im just saying youre points out. However Thorium makes his Valen expansion though i will still download it....

EDIT: whoops. Valen, not Vanhalen.....

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#111 -Mah-

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Posted 04 April 2004 - 10:59 AM

Yeah, BGII does have sex in it, I have played it obviously. Im just saying sure you could have the option of PC, being evil and all, do that stuff. But just saying you seem a little overly excitable with the raping and stuff. Well anyways Im not arguing about but im just saying youre points out. However Thorium makes his Valen expansion though i will still download it....

EDIT: whoops. Valen, not Vanhalen.....

This isn't really a matter of life and death to me and I don't get my kicks from text-based sexual action. I was merely presenting options that would be good to have, in case one would really want to RP evil. We want to have a versatile mod with several different ways to achieve ones goals, no? I guess I either presented my thoughts badly or you misinterpreted them. Glad that we agree on the fact that we 'could' have it as an option.

Peace. And carrots

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#112 -Piotyr-

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Posted 26 April 2004 - 06:19 PM

Rape is not good in any game unless it makes you die from trying to or after you do it. Its just morrallly wrong and over steping gaming bounds. And if you would really click that option that says "Rape her" You have a bit of a problem. Sorry just kinda had to add that.

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#113 Thorium Dragon

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Posted 27 April 2004 - 01:35 AM

I don't object to rape in an RPG on moral grounds, however, I just find the idea dull.

In my opinion, "evil" is a way of viewing the world and moving through it- not just a label you stick on a character as an excuse to do whatever the hell you want.

Evil leaders inspire loyalty in their followers by inspiring fear and dominating their will. Rape doesn't do either of that- it bypasses one's will completly, and will most likely serve to piss someone off more than fear you, or be loyal to you.

It gives the player no dialog, no psychology, nothing to figure out.

That seems pretty boring to me.

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#114 Kish

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Posted 28 April 2004 - 09:39 AM

Not to mention the matter of logistics. How do you rape someone who can turn into mist at will?

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#115 -Urborg Vengrath-

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Posted 29 April 2004 - 04:52 AM

Rape is used by slavers(amongst others) to break/weaken a subject's will, inspire fear, show dominaince, and instill a worthlessness in the subject. It is often a tool in such cases and little more. I do not believe the PC would have a reason to rape any of his follower as they are all rather loyal. Then theres always inspinct and lust. It wouldn't be fitting to rape someone who has served you so well, a party member for example. A restrained enemy, a random peasant, sure. But those who are using their bodies as shields to defend you, your loyal servants(they might not realise it, but face the truth, that's all they ever where)? What fool would do that? I doubt someone as compitant as the PC would so short sited.
Now a Vampire from the Anne Rice Novels is no doubt differant than a D&D Vampire. Every RP and story has it's own varriation. No doubt any mundane creature would have to either be in love, seduced, or (in my case)have a morbid bent in order to be in any form of relationship with a Vampire that doesn't end is cold glares(at the least). There are many types of "romance" and many views of it's definition. I'm looking forwards to seeing how Thorium developes this relationship, however distant it might be. Personally I am pleased to have another villinious character to add to my group's roster. More content and detail to that character is welcome. From what I've read of your post(which is very little, to be honest) you have some interesting ideas for this expansion. I wonder how they will blend together.

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#116 Thorium Dragon

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Posted 27 May 2004 - 06:25 PM

"Not to mention the matter of logistics."
I know this is preaching for highschool English, but the logistics of a situation concerns the time-keeping element involved.

Actually, that's not right either.

Here's the dictionary definition of logisitcs:

1 : the aspect of military science dealing with the procurement, maintenance, and transportation of military matériel, facilities, and personnel
2 : the handling of the details of an operation

Dispite Kish's misusue of the word (which I assume he mistakenly thought was an extension of the word "logical") his point was clear enough.

Please keep in mind there are many people who post here that are not native English speakers (which Kish may or may not be) and may occasionally flub the use of a word. I do it, myself.

As do you...

...any form of recognisably affection...

If we get into correcting each other's grammer that makes for an annoying environment to express one's opinion. So unless you need clarification on what somebody really meant, let's not do that.

If a vampire can learn to love, does this not instill a humanity in them that will set allusions to their actions? In which case I am sure Valen would suffer considerably as the local user-friendly death incarnate. If the keystone for her character does not involve an Anne Rice philosophy, then there is little chance of her exhibiting any form of recognisably affection for the PC.

I disagree. Emotions themselves (love, hate, whatever) are not good or evil by themselves. It is how one acts on them that matters. Evil people love, good people hate. The difference is that they love and hate very different things, and act accordingly.

People process their emotions into action by way of their personal values (or lack thereof). That is what defines a person's character, in fiction and real life.

Simlply having the capability to love doesn't really mean anything.

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#117 Kish

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Posted 27 May 2004 - 06:36 PM

Dispite Kish's misusue of the word (which I assume he mistakenly thought was an extension of the word "logical")

Love you too.

2 : the handling of the details of an operation

would seem to fit the situation perfectly, wouldn't it?

Thanks for the support, btw.

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#118 neriana

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Posted 27 May 2004 - 06:43 PM

Dispite Kish's misusue of the word (which I assume he mistakenly thought was an extension of the word "logical") his point was clear enough.

Please keep in mind there are many people who post here that are not native English speakers (which Kish may or may not be) and may occasionally flub the use of a word. I do it, myself.

Kish used the word correctly.

I am now going to try not to die laughing.

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#119 Thorium Dragon

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Posted 28 May 2004 - 02:56 AM

2 : the handling of the details of an operation
would seem to fit the situation perfectly, wouldn't it?

I've never thought of rape as an "operation". But maybe in Valen's case it would have to be. So I suppose I could buy that. So, "logistics" it is then...

Personally, I'm more familiar with logistics as definition #1 as I actually am in the military and hear the term often in that context. So that for me raping Valen as a "logistical problem", paints a pretty funny picture.

Damn. This has turned into a grammer discussion- exactly what I didn't want to happen. :angry:

It's all good.

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#120 -RaoulDuke-

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Posted 28 May 2004 - 03:27 AM

And I thought I was good at English. Just as well I'm doing a physics degree.
Apologies to Kish- I wasn't undermining your opinion or insulting you, merely trying to set things right. Or wrong as it now seems. Anyway at least I'll understand what Keaton means when he calls the boat raid "A loigistical nightmare" in Brian Singer's masterpiece.
Now that my integrity is now nothing more than a handful of dust (no symbolism intended) it would seem that any attempt at a Freudian dissemination of a vampire pathology (how many 50 cent words do you count?) is as good as dead. Or undead. But I still hold the belief that an emotion as extreme as love can only have an effect on opinions and actions. Take a dog for example: they are (most of the time) loyal and attentive; they do not however exhibit purely human emotions. Sure, we are handling a D&D world-in which case these rules may not apply- but I still find love difficult to convey through a veritable death incarnate.

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