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Valen Expansion Now in Development

Started by Thorium Dragon, Jan 08 2004 12:02 PM

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#81 Thorium Dragon

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Posted 20 February 2004 - 03:28 PM

I spoke to a friend of mine who had read Anne Rice and wasn't too impressed. I trust his taste on most things. I don't rule out reading her work sometime.

I'm so far behind on my recreational reading, it is unlikely I will be able to add in anything else and expect it to get read anytime soon, unfortunatly. If I did decide to look for any outside inspiration, my first read would be I, Strahd - set in the macabe D&D world of Ravenloft.

Glad you dig the avatar (I just wish I knew where I got it

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#82 -Cybersquirt-

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 05:03 PM

of all the things I could ask, I'll take a 'wait and see' and limit myself to this:
why will this "romance" be limited to male PC's?

and a suggestion: read Anne Rice and judge for yourself. -_-

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#83 Thorium Dragon

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 06:49 PM

Cybersquirt, on Feb 24 2004, 08:03 PM, said:

of all the things I could ask, I'll take a 'wait and see' and limit myself to this:
why will this "romance" be limited to male PC's?

The most intimate aspects of a potential relationship between the PC and Valen will be limited to male characters but the all the character development and plot will be availible to PCs of either gender. The "male only" parts consist of a very small percentage of total dialog. I am considering putting in some "female only" dialog to balance it out. It will basically depend on if I like what I write.

Cybersquirt, on Feb 24 2004, 08:03 PM, said:

and a suggestion: read Anne Rice and judge for yourself.

Regarding Anne Rice (or any author): I always reserve final judgement of an author's work until I've read it. It's just that as it stands now I have about 15 books I have yet to read that I have bought for myself or recived as gifts.

That number just is my recreational reading. It doesn't account for the 10 or so technical books and required study that I need to accomplish for my career.

I love reading, of course, but as it stands now unless someone who knows my tastes very well (limited to a couple of friends) gives me a rave review of a book, I won't be reading it until I get done with all the reading I have now. When I get a lukewarm opinion of a book that I would have considered, it goes to the back of what is now a very long line

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#84 serjeLeBlade

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 04:49 AM

Thorium Dragon, on Feb 21 2004, 01:28 AM, said:

I spoke to a friend of mine who had read Anne Rice and wasn't too impressed

Think I could guess what he was talking about...
Most unfortunately, some of Ann Rice's work can bore a man to death, and the poor guy doesn't even get to become a vampire in the process :rolleyes:

Still, I think Queen of The Damned is worth reading.
(Most unfortunately again, watching the movie would be a total waste of time -- you have to read the book if you want any chance to figure out what's going on)

Otoh, Buffy made it in the mod and Queen Akasha didn't...
(but how could she? There was Bodhi already)

He he... my next npc... the one for your mod... will most likely be called Lestat... :rolleyes:

(poor Valen...)

Ah, just one last thing...

"As far as I know, powerful priestess of Shar don't get killed in their sleep by vampires very often... Things usually work the other way around, abbil... !"

- Viccy

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#85 -kinneer-

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 08:47 AM

Temujin Reborn, on Feb 19 2004, 10:12 PM, said:

Thorium, whatever you do...

FINISH THIS MOD, PLEASE!

I do not care what anyone says - what you are planning is most excellent. I will admit that I have never envisioned a change in lil' miss vampire due to the fact I found Valen to be an already perfect mod... However, that being said, after reading what you have planned I feel it will just further enhance and bring to life the existing character we've all come to love.

You already have 7 people in this household waiting on pins and needles to play it (my 6 kiddos and of course myself...lol). I'm sure the mod would be played by a LOT more people than you might think.

If you do not mind I do have one recommendation/idea: One of the things you could do to enhance her 'blood lust side of the story'(when or if needed) is to have her sneak off in the middle of the night while everyone else is resting and go kill someone (not NPC's though)... with dire consequences for you and the group. Heck, let it be someone of 'great importance'! Maybe make it like one of the dream sequences where you see what she is doing (although your character doesn't really know what she did), then have that character find out the hard way what his pet vampire did while he was resting his eyes... Maybe it is punishment to the protagonist for something he said totally wrong during a previous dialogue (do NOT make it the obvious choice in the dialogue though - let it be very unexpected indeed)? After all, vampires NEVER forget and very, very rarely forgive...lol

Just an idea.

Anyway, huge congrats for breathing new life into the game.

-Temujin Reborn

P.S. If one gets the fighter stronghold isn't that castle just begging for Valen's own personal coffin for the times you decide to sleep there? (Bought, of course, for a substantial amount of gold by Mr.Bhaal Spawn himself...hehehe)

Interesting idea on her sneaking off to feed or whatever but I wonder how this will be implemented successfully.

Having Valen in party limits the party to resting at daytime and working at night, pretty much adopting Valen's own working hours. Valen is awfully weak during day. At night the rest of the party is active so she is very unlikely to be able to sneak away at that time.

Just my opinion.

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#86 -Cybersquirt-

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 05:35 PM

Thorium Dragon, on Feb 24 2004, 07:49 PM, said:

I am considering putting in some "female only" dialog to balance it out. It will basically depend on if I like what I write.

That makes sense and I can appreciate that you may not be able to write fem-fem as well as fem-male. I only ask because my idea of vampires (heavily inspired by Rice) is that they are neither heterosexual nor monagamous.. among other things.

..and yes, 'Queen of the Damned' is a good read but I liked 'The Vampire Lestat' as well, if not more so. The third of the trilogy was a bit weak tho, IMO.

The movie was just plain ridiculous. <_<

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#87 -Temujin Reborn-

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Posted 26 February 2004 - 08:20 AM

Kinneer, you have a good point there. I guess I hadn't thought of that technical point... I was just mainly concerned with having her sneak off in the middle of resting, be it night or day really.

You have a good eye for detail, kinneer

I sure wished this mod was done and installed already...lol

-Temujin

Sure would be interesting to say the least if you were resting back the the ol' D'Arnisse hold in your bedroom only to wake up and see that SOMEONE snuck out of their coffin and killed the faithful butler...lol Hmm, wonder who could've put those purple puncture wounds into his neck

...Or to wake up and have the castle surrounded by NUMEROUS angry (to say the least) paladins over finding one of their own men sucked dry in broad daylight ... Knowing that the only day-walker (they know of) is your beloved Valen...lol Being LAWFUL they couldn't rightly just kill her before having substantial proof it truly was her - BUT - what if it wasn't her? And if it was her, then what?

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#88 Kish

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Posted 26 February 2004 - 09:16 AM

Temujin Reborn, on Feb 26 2004, 06:20 PM, said:

Being LAWFUL they couldn't rightly just kill her before having substantial proof it truly was her

Well, yeah, they could.

She's a monster. A bloodsucking corpse. You don't need a crime to have been committed to kill a vampire. Legally speaking, she's already dead.

http://www.moveon.org/fox/
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#89 Thorium Dragon

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Posted 26 February 2004 - 10:31 AM

Kish, on Feb 26 2004, 12:16 PM, said:

She's a monster. A bloodsucking corpse. You don't need a crime to have been committed to kill a vampire. Legally speaking, she's already dead.

I'm sure the Paladins (and most of the living who like staying that way) would agree with this statement.

Regardless, I believe, if the party makes knowledge that they are associated with a vampire, especially one that can bypass their typically held weakness to daylight, they are just begging for big trouble from everybody.

Not just having paladins coming after them but to make it impossible to move freely about any city.

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#90 -TheAngulion-

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Posted 05 March 2004 - 07:22 PM

As someone has already mentioned before, for each opponent out there, there is at least one supporter as well. Hence, please finish this mod, ThoriumDragon! I am really looking forward to it and will definitely download and try it! Some excellent ideas you have voiced.

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#91 -Guest-

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Posted 10 March 2004 - 08:52 PM

First, I am just a guest who started visiting this board about a week ago. I know this is really "fast" reply(lol) since last reply is at Jan but regardless I want to say that it seems the argument is getting to the point which is more than necessary.

Personally, I greatly enjoy Valen mod. It is my favorite, and even if I don't plan to play the evil party or use Valen as a party member, it is a mod that is alwyas installed on my comp soon as BG2 is installed along ascension and tactics.

What I want to say is-the idea of making an expansion of Valen sounds GREAT! And I know there are awful number of people who agrees with me on this point-if you have a distaste for it because of your own perspective, don't play it. Of course, some arguments on this board sound very logical and constructive. But personally, please stop because I want the mod expansion to be out as soon as possible

For Thorium, I want to say that I really appreciate your work and I will eagerly wait for the release of the mod. So work hard and know that there are lots of fan of yours in this world!

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#92 -Guest-

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Posted 10 March 2004 - 08:54 PM

Oh oops, my bad: I didn't even notice 3 pages of reply and it seems that my reply is in current

anyways, good luck to you Thorium!

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#93 -Guest-

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Posted 12 March 2004 - 02:51 PM

How will this mod affect other mods out there?

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#94 -Modda Masta-

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Posted 12 March 2004 - 03:02 PM

may be compatible with valen mod

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#95 Xzar

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Posted 28 March 2004 - 08:32 AM

What are the race/gender/class requirements for a romance?

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#96 Thorium Dragon

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Posted 29 March 2004 - 04:28 PM

Xzar, on Mar 28 2004, 11:32 AM, said:

What are the race/gender/class requirements for a romance?

Probably Male Human, Elf, or Half-Elf for "romance".

All genders/races for all the other dialog and story.

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#97 -Mah-

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 09:35 AM

Thorium Dragon, on Mar 30 2004, 02:28 AM, said:

Xzar, on Mar 28 2004, 11:32 AM, said:
What are the race/gender/class requirements for a romance?
Probably Male Human, Elf, or Half-Elf for "romance".

All genders/races for all the other dialog and story.

And of course half-orc. When you are playing evil, you want to take that unique chance of being evil orc-dude

So yeah, romancing with half-orc too. Maybe orcs have big d***s or something to make Valen interested

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#98 Baltrek

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 10:00 AM

Mah-

That sort of comment is probably not the type of thing that is what many people would like to read. They add nothing to the discussion, or creative suggestions pertinent to modding. Please keep your comments clean.

But, I agree the game is in need of a half-orc romance.

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#99 Kish

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 10:05 AM

Baltrek, on Mar 30 2004, 08:00 PM, said:

But, I agree the game is in need of a half-orc romance.

Half-orcs can romance Viconia.

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--Cordelia Naismith Vorkosigan

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#100 Trinin

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Posted 30 March 2004 - 11:54 AM

Finally deciding to delurk! It's me! For those who know me will advise those who don't to RUN FOR YOUR LIVES. Now that the intro's out of the way I'll say my piece. Intresting idea, great that your doing it, can't wait to play it, I'm the only one alowed to make dirty comments, who actualy plays as a half orc (aside expermenting with the race), and Vicky good God who'd thrust her on any body?

Cheers~Everyones favorite incubus/ god of death/ kitsunes fox

My mother asked me why I always wear black. I told her because it's the color of my soul~Trinin

Some say good always wins others say evil does. But the truth is I always win~Trinin

Some say fighting is wrong, I say you only say that because you all ways lost.~Trinin