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[Roxanne]

Hello all,

 

There is a mod which looks interesting called Rjali NPC mod (or something like that).

Designed for BG2 EE, the pdf file of Big World Fixpack V17 says that the Fixpack makes changes so that the mod can be installed and played within a BGT-style game.

 

As a matter of fact, it didn't work for me. 

 

Looking at the BW Fixpack file, it appears that there are no fixes for the Rjali mod, at least not specific to that mod.

 

I tried to install it in an enhanced edition of the game combined with EET and it failed likewise, even if BWS says that the mod has been designed for BG2EE or EET.

 

Can someone shed any light on this topic?

 

Thanks 

This mod has never worked.

It is definitely excluded from EET. *Rjali is not yet compatible with EET=C:EET(-):Rjali(-)* in BWS

For some reason that is beyond my understanding, BWS has it in the BG2EE selection - it should not be there IMHO.

Even if it were in BG2EE, there must be a long list of incompatibilities.

 

I cannot comment on BGT and Big World Fixpack V17.

 

PS - checking the links that BWS uses, they are all dead. Based on your report and my own past experience, I feel like removing it from BWS unless somebody has better information.

 

Further information

Spoiler

The mof creates (requires massive incompatibilities) that lead to stuttering and make the game unusable:

*It is highly recommended that you install the Tweak Anthology Romance Cheats with options multiple romance allowed and nothing kills romance before installing this mod.*

This mod however is not compatible with the other mods requested

 * - Sirene_BG2 v1.5.1 (I seem to have a thing for tieflings.)
  - Skie ReDone v3.0 (by request from Seewead) - Parkable
  - Petsy Chattertone v3.1 (by request from Seewead)
  - Branwen Romance v3 (Here, because this kicked me into gear to do this mod.) - Parkable
  - Yvette Romance v3.0 (A talking portrait. Who wouldn't?)
  - Tashia Romance v1.4 (Just 'cause I could.)
  - Nalia Romance v5 (Gonna use the Keep, so why not?) - Parkable
  - Tyris Romance v7 (Again, I know. But: ve haf vays of making her stay.)
  - Ninde Romance v3.0 (Why not?)
  - Dace Romance v1.3 (by request from Ser Elryk)
  - Isra Romance v2.1 (by request from Ser Elryk)
  - Saerileth Romance v18 (Yes, I know. But there is a rationale as you will see.)
  - Amber Romance v4 (by request from Ser Elryk)
  - Fade Romance v7.3b (I miss Annah from PST.) Install this mod after all the above romance mods; it has a bug that I can fix only if it is last.*

 

The mod must be manually managed but cannot be installed with BWS.

Edited by Roxanne, 17 November 2017 - 12:28 PM.

[Seewead]

Hello -Sogdiane-, Roxanne is right: The Rjali-Mod is definitely incompatible with EET. I can confirm that. Use BG2EE only.

 

Roxanne wrote: "The mod creates (requires massive incompatibilities) that lead to stuttering and make the game unusable.". Well, I can give you a different view on this. At least I can tell you, that I played that mod myself a couple of times and enjoyed it very much. Its version number is 8.5 currently (last time I used it anyway) and it is perfectly stable. I never had any game breaking bug with the Rjali-Mod. In fact, the mod is nearly bug-free and works like a charm. And the Rjali-Mod is (naturally) compatible with all the other (many) romance mods, that are incorporated by the Rjali-Mod. As far as there are some small problems with the other mods, these are fixed by the Rjali-Mod itself. Well, I cannot talk about Sirene and Dace, because I never tried them with the Rjali-Mod.

 

Roxanne wrote: "Based on your report and my own past experience, I feel like removing it from BWS unless somebody has better information.". That I have, better information that is: I successfully used BWS to install the Rjali-Mod twice in 2016 und 2017. Worked without problems. But my last installation was in June this year. And I have read that BWS is not what it was these days - maybe things are different now? Maybe BWS is broken in some way now?

 

Hope it helps, Seewead

 

P.S.: You can read more here: http://forums.blackw...c&showforum=161

 

 

Edit: corrected small spelling errors

Edited by Seewead, 18 November 2017 - 06:03 AM.

[Roxanne]

Hello -Sogdiane-, Roxanne is right: The Rjali-Mod is definitely incompatible with EET. I can confirm that. Use BG2EE only.

 

Roxanne wrote: "The mod creates (requires massive incompatibilities) that lead to stuttering and make the game unusable.". Well, I can give you a different view on this. At least I can tell you, that I played that mod myself a couple of times and enjoyed it very much. Its version number is 8.5 currently (last time I used it anyway) and it is perfectly stable. I never had any game breaking bug with the Rjali-Mod. In fact, the mod is nearly bug-free and works like a charm. And the Rjali-Mod is (naturally) compatible with all the other (many) romance mods, that are incorporated by the Rjali-Mod. As far as there are some small problems with the other mods, these are fixed by the Rjali-Mod itself. Well, I cannot talk about Sirene and Dace, because I never tried them with the Rjali-Mod.

 

Roxanne wrote: "Based on your report and my own past experience, I feel like removing it from BWS unless somebody has better information.". That I have, better information that is: I successfully used BWS to install the Rjali-Mod twice in 2016 und 2017. Worked without problems. But my last installation was in June this year. And I have read that BWS is not what it was these days - maybe things are different now? Maybe BWS is broken in some way now?

 

Hope it helps, Seewead

 

P.S.: You can read more here: http://forums.blackw...c&showforum=161

 

 

Edit: corrected small spelling errors

Thank you for those details.

[Seewead]

Sure, hope I could help.

 

 

As an afterthought, I could give a different view on another topic as well, if you are interested:

 

1.

Roxanne wrote: " 'It is highly recommended that you install the Tweak Anthology Romance Cheats with options multiple romance allowed and nothing kills romance before installing this mod.' This mod however is not compatible with the other mods requested.".

 

Well, I bow to your wellfounded expertise, Roxanne. But I have to admit, that I myself never experienced any problems in that line. On the contrary, it always worked flawlessly for me. As far as I know, the "romance-cheat"-patch, that is included in the Tweaks Anthology, is unchanged for years, maybe even more than a decade, is it not? Though I have never heard of it causing any problems; in all these times I've never seen a bug-report in this regard. And for me personally it never posed any kind of problems, though I used it with nearly all the romance mods you can get in the web. Well, with Sirene as an exception, for example. Maybe Sirene is the cause of the problem?

 

2.

And if I might add this: Since a very short time (don't know the date exactly, must have been in summer this year), the "romance-cheat"-patch is not available via BWS anymore. Or let me be more precise here:

 

a.

First the "romance-cheat"-patch is marked "expert" nowadays.

 

b.
But that didn't seem to be a major problem for me, because I can always "force" BWS to install anyway, can't I? Unfortunately, this is what I found out: Even if you install the "romance-Cheat"-patch ONLY (without any other romance mods or even without any mod whatsovever), you will always get a fatal error from BWS. What a pity.

 

 

Thanks for your time Seewead

[The Imp]

On the contrary, it always worked flawlessly for me...

Yeah, that's usually very problem prone, as one generally can't see a backstabbing coming.

[Roxanne]

Sure, hope I could help.

 

 

As an afterthought, I could give a different view on another topic as well, if you are interested:

 

1.

Roxanne wrote: " 'It is highly recommended that you install the Tweak Anthology Romance Cheats with options multiple romance allowed and nothing kills romance before installing this mod.' This mod however is not compatible with the other mods requested.".

 

Well, I bow to your wellfounded expertise, Roxanne. But I have to admit, that I myself never experienced any problems in that line. On the contrary, it always worked flawlessly for me. As far as I know, the "romance-cheat"-patch, that is included in the Tweaks Anthology, is unchanged for years, maybe even more than a decade, is it not? Though I have never heard of it causing any problems; in all these times I've never seen a bug-report in this regard. And for me personally it never posed any kind of problems, though I used it with nearly all the romance mods you can get in the web. Well, with Sirene as an exception, for example. Maybe Sirene is the cause of the problem?

 

2.

And if I might add this: Since a very short time (don't know the date exactly, must have been in summer this year), the "romance-cheat"-patch is not available via BWS anymore. Or let me be more precise here:

 

a.

First the "romance-cheat"-patch is marked "expert" nowadays.

 

b.
But that didn't seem to be a major problem for me, because I can always "force" BWS to install anyway, can't I? Unfortunately, this is what I found out: Even if you install the "romance-Cheat"-patch ONLY (without any other romance mods or even without any mod whatsovever), you will always get a fatal error from BWS. What a pity.

 

 

Thanks for your time Seewead

The feature had been updated with the release of the Tweaks Anthology (i.e. technically it is not the same for all those years). The authors provide you several times in the readme with the respective warning. Countless reports exist on the issue. You are indeed lucky of not having experienced it.

 

The case is this;

- The tweak removes all script/dialogue blocks from vanilla NPC romances that kill a romance

- when for other reasons RomanceActive=3 is found, it is reset to either 1 or 2 based on the lovetalk vatiable of the NPC

- there are a number of mod NPCs that are not covered by the tweak

- if you commit to such a mod NPC romance and that RomanceActive is set to 2, the mod NPC script sets vanilla NPC romance to 3

- at that moment tweak script is triggered and sets it back to 1 or 2 causing mod script to set to 3, and so forth...

- result is that both NPCs involved *stutter* with their scripts playing ping-pong until you either kick one of them out or you manually remove the script blocks from your game.

- BWS has listed a number of mod NPCs affected by this, although the list is probably not complete. (It is not just Isra but many more.)

 

This is an event that you will only see if you have a vanilla NPC romance running and a mod NPC with such a script in the party and you have the mod romance win. So it may or may not appear in your game, depending on your party composition and sequence of events.

 

I have discussed this with the maintainers of the tweaks anthology already - the answer was that their advice in the mod's readme is considered to be sufficient by them.

Edited by Roxanne, 18 November 2017 - 12:14 PM.

[Seewead]

@Roxanne: Thank you very much for your detailed and convincing explanation of the problem, which even I was able to understand fully now.

 

Oddly enough, this doesn't seem to happen in my games. A couple of times I have played multiple concurrent romances, especially one of the vanilla women (Viconia, Jaheira, Aerie, Neera) combined with an other romance mod at the same time. "Off the top of my head" I can recall a couple of combinated (BG2EE)-runs with one of the various vanilla girls and one of the third-party-mods like IsraBG2, SkieRedone, Branwen, Nalia, Ninde, Imoen, Saerileth, Fade... just to give you some examples. While especially IsraBG2 and Nalia are mentioned by BWS as problematic. Now why did the problem you explained didn't occur then?

 

Could it have something to do with EET, because I used BG2EE only? No probably not. So here is my guess: It must have been the Rjali-Mod, that repaired the problem you described. Well, if that should be the case, there would certainly be good reason for marking the "romance-patch" as "expert" in BWS. Now I understand.

 

Though it would still be nice, if BWS would not disallow you to force-install the romance patch (when you know, what you're doing). See my posting above.

 

Thank you very much for your help , Seewead

[Roxanne]

@Roxanne: Thank you very much for your detailed and convincing explanation of the problem, which even I was able to understand fully now.

 

Oddly enough, this doesn't seem to happen in my games. A couple of times I have played multiple concurrent romances, especially one of the vanilla women (Viconia, Jaheira, Aerie, Neera) combined with an other romance mod at the same time. "Off the top of my head" I can recall a couple of combinated (BG2EE)-runs with one of the various vanilla girls and one of the third-party-mods like IsraBG2, SkieRedone, Branwen, Nalia, Ninde, Imoen, Saerileth, Fade... just to give you some examples. While especially IsraBG2 and Nalia are mentioned by BWS as problematic. Now why did the problem you explained didn't occur then?

 

Could it have something to do with EET, because I used BG2EE only? No probably not. So here is my guess: It must have been the Rjali-Mod, that repaired the problem you described. Well, if that should be the case, there would certainly be good reason for marking the "romance-patch" as "expert" in BWS. Now I understand.

 

Though it would still be nice, if BWS would not disallow you to force-install the romance patch (when you know, what you're doing). See my posting above.

 

Thank you very much for your help , Seewead

Your explanation is correct. Just, Rjali does not *repair* the problem, since those mods are designed after the convention of the original game, so there is nothing broken to be repaired. However, it tweaks those mods in the same way that tweaks anthilogy applies for vanilla NPCs.

So we have this

1. Tweaks with some ,mod NPCs has the conflicts handled by BWS

2. Tweaks with some ,mod NPCs PLUS Rjali works since that mod makes additional changes.

 

The problem with BWS is, that it can handle situation 1. There is not a way to handle case 2, i.e. remove the conflict if the additional mod is installed.

What BWS does in that case is to raise the warning anyhow but you can ignore it and install the things nonetheless.

 

Finally, even with this problem put aside, there still is the issue with Rijali overwriting other mod's files that is problematic. There is no reason why you should not install the mod with the knowledge you have. Just add it on top of your install even when using BWS for the rest.

Edited by Roxanne, 19 November 2017 - 07:25 AM.

[Seewead]

Thanks, Roxanne. Most helpful!

[Roxanne]

Would it be complicated to turn Rjali into an EET-compatible mod?

I ask it because getting rid of the stuttering bug affecting the Bioware-NPC in the case of conflicting romances 

would certainly be a boon.

This is certainly something to be discussed with the author. It seems to be an actively maintained mod, so the author needs to decide.

Spoiler

But do not mistake *EET-compatibility* with being compatible with any EET-installation. It means only that the mod works with EET but may still have a lot of compatibility problems with other mods there. From the mod's readme and code it is inevitable that this mod requires a dedicated setup and will not fit in with many other mods - but this is intended.

Edited by Roxanne, 20 November 2017 - 07:40 AM.

[Seewead]

@-sogdiane-: Yeah, Roxanne ist right, of course: You should ask the author. For that, there is already an existing thread (called "EET-compatibilty") in the mod's forum. Look over here: http://forums.blackw...?showtopic=5358

Help us persuade the author to make it work.

 

Besides of that, there are no known incompatibilities between the Rjali-mod and any other mod (using BG2EE) until today. At least, no one ever reported a problem in the mod's forum (or elsewhere to my knowledge). Check to forum for the thread "Compatiblity to other mods" - http://forums.blackw...?showtopic=5366

 

But Roxanne could probably be right in that this could be totally different under EET-circumstances. I don't know about that.

 

See ya, Seewead

 

 

Edit: small spelling error

Edited by Seewead, 23 November 2017 - 04:35 AM.