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[Stone Wolf]

Oh yeah, even simple magic items cost tons of cash. You could also have them require components, though then you'd have to then put those items in the game.

[Feanor]

TG, if that slow effect of Inner Time it's so hard to implement, why don't you replace it with another bonus ? Just for instance : during Inner Time, being much faster than the opponents, the monk will have a higher chance to hit the vital points of his enemy, so he will score critical hits on rolls of 19 too. Opinions ?

[T.G.Maestro]

TG, if that slow effect of Inner Time it's so hard to implement, why don't you replace it with another bonus ? Just for instance : during Inner Time, being much faster than the opponents, the monk will have a higher chance to hit the vital points of his enemy, so he will score critical hits on rolls of 19 too. Opinions ?

I think this topic is worth a proper detailed answer. Here are the current effects of IT:

-Projectiles (normal, including magical ones) are automatically snatched and thrown back;
-Movement rate increased by 8 (VERY fast!)? unaffected by Free Action
-Attack rate is doubled;
-THAC0 and Melee damage receive a 3 points bonus;
-Attack Speed decreased by 2;
--5 points to AC (this should be lowered to -3!!!);
-protection from Backstabs;
-becomes winded after 3 rounds for 2 rounds, after the ability expires. Cannot use any innates while in this state.

[T.G.Maestro]

Guest, as you may know, this problem with the reflected projectiles was introduced by 3rdE. There is a Snatch Arrows feat in the 3rd edition which allows the same thing for monks.
True, it brings up aesthetical and minor logical problems, but so are most of the spells - I mean really, how realistic is this game after all? We could list spells and abilities that fail to work believeable without end.
Don't get me wrong, such flaws bother me as well, but if we would like to make a game free from all these glitches, we would definitely need a TC.

[Littiz]

Finesse for Blades added (they are a bit sacrificed in the released version).

Very tricky to implement, but,... oooff, it's done
(well, needs still visual, description, icon AND testing )

Basically it improves the Blade's Spins, without altering the rate of acquisition of the spins themselves.
The blade will be able to move slowly while in defensive spin, and will score critical hits on a roll of 19+ while in offensive spin (assuming that the effect works correctly..)

[T.G.Maestro]

The blade will be able to move slowly while in defensive spin, and will score critical hits on a roll of 19+ while in offensive spin (assuming that the effect works correctly..)

It does.

[T.G.Maestro]

Um, as it was discussed before, Improved Critical is dropped.

[T.G.Maestro]

With the HLA improved critical there will be a problem because a fighter who choose the one handed fight type ( 1 point give the bonus) has already this benefits ( critical with 19 and 20 ) With the HLA improved critical there will be a problem because a fighter who choose the one handed fight type ( 1 point give the bonus) has already this benefits ( critical with 19 and 20 )

Hmm, according to our latest tests with this opcode, it works a bit different than expected. It doesn't SET the Critical Chance to a specified value, but instead it lowers the ACTUAL rate by the specified number.
Examples (if the ability is set to "1"):
- if the character has a starting Critical Chance of 20, the new value is 19-20;
- if the character has either the Single,- or Two-handed weapon styles (and has 19-20 as a starter), the new score will be 18-20.

Still, re-applying this "1" ability twice or more won't result in cumulative effects!


According to these results it is fairly possible that we will add Improved Critical (since it won't cause any problems when used together with one of the weapon-styles).

[Littiz]

our latest tests

"our", hmpf
( )

[T.G.Maestro]

"our", hmpf

Sure, I just wanted to avoid being arrogant by saying "my tests"...
( :nana: )

Edited by T.G.Maestro, 12 October 2004 - 06:18 AM.

[Littiz]

I don't understand why you did tests later to confirm mine.
You should know that *I* can be trusted :nana: B)

One has to accept good ol' TGM, always at work when it's not needed :nana:

[T.G.Maestro]

I don't understand why you did tests later to confirm mine

Hmph. If you would ever trust ME, you'd notice that I keep using this opcode for a long while now - it was I who introduced it to you AFAIK.
I made a mistake when I believed it works EXACTLY as written in its description, but anyway, it is 90% close to its real effect.
Than you said it needs to be tested, and the result of your experiment was that it works like THAC0 instead as a SET value, as I thought first. But again, you were not entirely correct here, thats why the further tests were needed: while THAC0 is a stackable, cumulative effect, this one is not. It definitely won't stack with itself.

You should know that *I* can be trusted

I almost made this mistake here!

One has to accept good ol' TGM, always at work when it's not needed

No comment.

Edited by T.G.Maestro, 12 October 2004 - 10:22 PM.

[Feanor]

About Improved Critical : IMO, it should have some prerequisites, because, if a warrior has 3 points in two-weapon fighting and chooses also Improved Critical, it could become too powerful.

[T.G.Maestro]

About Improved Critical : IMO, it should have some prerequisites, because, if a warrior has 3 points in two-weapon fighting and chooses also Improved Critical, it could become too powerful

Indeed. That (and the Single-weapon style bonus too) would result in a Critical Chance of 15% (18-20).
Any suggestions for prerequisite? First I thought Critical Strike, but we are still undecided about this one.

[Feanor]

I would put a double prerequisite : Critical Strike and also Deathblow (if it's possible).

[T.G.Maestro]

It's not. You can add one prerequisite only.

[Feanor]

Then I would say Smite to be the prerequisite.