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[the bigg]

I do have a large number of different mods installed, but none of them -should- in any way effect armor. I do have the "Ashes of Embers" mod installed, but that only tweaks weapon use requirements, not armor, unless I seriously misread.

Try posting your exact weidu.log, it often helps.

It can be that, somehow, your kit restriction weren't updated: post also your override\kitlist.2da .

[Littiz]

The Archer of Silvanus uses (I think to guess) the Undead Hunter flag the same way you've done with the Jester flag on the Sword Angel.

As I supposed, the Archer of Sylvanus Kit is TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE with Refinements.
@Cam, I use the UD flag to mark scrolls, but we have not a problem with scrolls, the problem is that every kit which uses that value (after Refinements) won't be able to use all the weapons you marked: that is, practically everything
Of all modders, we really should have coordinated a little better

The ADD_KIT parameters are the ones from the usual Anti-paladin, so they should be OK.

In fact, I meant to check the few ones that had to be changed

Universal weapons changes the weapprof.2da, allowing everybody to put proficiencies everywhere, EG a mage can put pips in sword or whatever. I've added the ability to add all weapon use also to the tw and tF kits.

This is exactly the problem I was thinking about, good work!
(though I think this mod and Refinements don't really have much in common, we try to emphatize the peculiarities of the classes...)
Hey.
I was thinking, we might use this new READ_2DA_ENTRY to handle better the circumstance in which the Rogue Rebalancing Mod is NOT present..

Also, I've tried my code, and SURPRISE! WeiDU CANNOT compare two strings, so my hands are tied, and my code won't work, nor can guess how to do it.

Sorry, indeed I suspected this, but I didn't really knew this command. I would have spared you this work...

Well, I could replace_textually "0x00000001" "0x00000021" /before/ adding ALL the new kits (like the berstF), but it seems to me that it can easily generate bugs. Damn...

Hmm, might not be so. I wouldn't drop the idea.

Instead, I seem to be having a problem that the Sword Angel I created for a new SoA game is able to use armor up to "Bard" standards

Of course this shouldn't happen (and it doesn't, usually!)
I think you're probably using a mod that removes the shapeshifter's flag to those armors...
Can you list the mods you have installed?

Edited by Littiz, 19 June 2004 - 12:12 AM.

[the bigg]

QUOTE 
The ADD_KIT parameters are the ones from the usual Anti-paladin, so they should be OK.


In fact, I meant to check the few ones that had to be changed

  ADD_KIT ~WWANTItF~
   ~WWANTItF                 1           1           1           1           1 1           1           1~
   ~WWANTItF 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 2 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2~
   ~WWANTItF                 12      0      0      0       13      17~
   ~WWANTItF                 0       0       0       0       0       0~
   ~WWANTItF                 17      0      0       0       0      0~
   ~WWANTItF                 15      0      0       0       0      0~
   ~WWANTItF                 0       0       1       0       0       1       0 0       1~
   ~WWANTItF               0       1       1       1       1       0~
   ~Refinements/Hlab/Thief/clab/CLABEMPT.2DA~
   ~~
   ~0x00000001     2~
   ~WWANTI~
   ~* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *~
   SAY @10
   SAY @10
   SAY @10

   ADD_KIT ~WWANTItw~
   ~WWANTItw                 1           1           1           1           1 1           1           1~
   ~WWANTItw 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 2 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2~
   ~WWANTItw                 12      0      0      0       13      17~
   ~WWANTItw                 0       0       0       0       0       0~
   ~WWANTItw                 17      0      0       0       0      0~
	~WWANTItw                 15      0      0       0       0      0~
	~WWANTItw                 0       0       1       0       0       1       0 0       1~
	~WWANTItw               0       1       1       1       1       0~
	~tactics2/anti/WWANTI.2da~
	~~
	~0x00000001     2~
	~WWANTI~
	~* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *~
	SAY @10
	SAY @10
	SAY @10

to baldur & bladur25:

IF
Kit(Player1,WWANTI)
Class(Player1,MAGE)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ActionOverride(Player1,AddKit(WWANTItF))
END

IF
OR(2)
Kit(Player1,WWANTI)
Kit(Player1,WWANTItF)
Class(Player1,FIGHTER_MAGE)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ActionOverride(Player1,AddKit(WWANTItw))
END

IF
Kit(Player2,WWANTI)
Class(Player2,MAGE)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ActionOverride(Player2,AddKit(WWANTItF))
END

IF
OR(2)
Kit(Player2,WWANTI)
Kit(Player2,WWANTItF)
Class(Player2,FIGHTER_MAGE)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ActionOverride(Player2,AddKit(WWANTItw))
END

IF
Kit(Player3,WWANTI)
Class(Player3,MAGE)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ActionOverride(Player3,AddKit(WWANTItF))
END

IF
OR(2)
Kit(Player3,WWANTI)
Kit(Player3,WWANTItF)
Class(Player3,FIGHTER_MAGE)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ActionOverride(Player3,AddKit(WWANTItw))
END

IF
Kit(Player4,WWANTI)
Class(Player4,MAGE)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ActionOverride(Player4,AddKit(WWANTItF))
END

IF
OR(2)
Kit(Player4,WWANTI)
Kit(Player4,WWANTItF)
Class(Player4,FIGHTER_MAGE)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ActionOverride(Player4,AddKit(WWANTItw))
END

IF
Kit(Player5,WWANTI)
Class(Player5,MAGE)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ActionOverride(Player5,AddKit(WWANTItF))
END

IF
OR(2)
Kit(Player5,WWANTI)
Kit(Player5,WWANTItF)
Class(Player5,FIGHTER_MAGE)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ActionOverride(Player5,AddKit(WWANTItw))
END

IF
Kit(Player6,WWANTI)
Class(Player6,MAGE)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ActionOverride(Player6,AddKit(WWANTItF))
END

IF
OR(2)
Kit(Player6,WWANTI)
Kit(Player6,WWANTItF)
Class(Player6,FIGHTER_MAGE)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ActionOverride(Player6,AddKit(WWANTItw))
END

to li#stri:

Kit(LastSummonerOf(Myself),WWANTI)
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ActionOverride(LastSummonerOf(Myself),AddKit(WWANTItw))
DestroySelf()
END

QUOTE 
Universal weapons changes the weapprof.2da, allowing everybody to put proficiencies everywhere, EG a mage can put pips in sword or whatever. I've added the ability to add all weapon use also to the tw and tF kits.



This is exactly the problem I was thinking about, good work!
(though I this mod and Refinements don't really have much in common, we try to emphatize the peculiarities of the classes...)
Hey.
I was thinking, we might use this new READ_2DA_ENTRY to handle better the circumstance in which the Rogue Rebalancing Mod is NOT present..

Well, Uni weapons keeps the unus to a reasonable level, since there is no reason for a mage not to use a bow (IMHO of course). It keeps kit restrictions though (Cavalier&Kensai: no thrown. Beast Master: no metal. Monk: no 2-handed (due to animation requirements).

QUOTE 
Also, I've tried my code, and SURPRISE! WeiDU CANNOT compare two strings, so my hands are tied, and my code won't work, nor can guess how to do it.


Sorry, indeed I suspected this, but I didn't really knew this command. I would have spared you this work...



QUOTE 
Well, I could replace_textually "0x00000001" "0x00000021" /before/ adding ALL the new kits (like the berstF), but it seems to me that it can easily generate bugs. Damn...


Hmm, might not be so. I wouldn't drop the idea.

Since I cannot get to the Pocket Plane, I humbly asked a "corrier" (Icelus) to ask Wes to add the string comparison. Much better than senseless REPLACE_TEXTUALLY which can cause problems.

[Littiz]

It should be noted that these problems were occurring immediately after I installed Refinements, before I added the mods on the bottom of the list

As I said, something must be removing the shapeshifter's flag from those armors, so it's not a matter of order of installation. We just use an existing value, here.
I bet one of the kits you have previously installed is causing the incompatibility (I mean, of those from position 32 to 112...)
Ehm, actually, I suspect you might have installed TDD.....ouch.

@the_bigg: the code seems perfect Thanx for the files you sent me, too.
Maybe we should drop the first for now, though. Let me explain better with a summary:

--EDITED--

Edited by Littiz, 20 June 2004 - 01:03 AM.

[the bigg]

• Ashes of Embers.
  I'm told this one changes the flags of many weapons to change the base usability assignements. This is VERY likely to cause clashes like the Archer of Sylvanus Kit. Not 100% sure, but really it's safer to assume incompatibility, at the moment.

.

Nope, I checked the kits and they all use 0x00004000 (the clerics) and 0x40000000 (the pit fighter). They still aren't given the new weapons restrictions, so there aren't problems.
If you refer to the "Universal Weapons" part, it's still OK in the actual version, since it modifies all and only the weapons, one per one (COPY_EXISTING sw1h01.itm; COPY_EXISTING sw1h02.itm and so on).
The new code... well, it is compatible. Granted. I wrote it after all B)

It's ok with Use scrolls, since scrolls' usability isn't touched (old code doesn't list them, while new code modifies only items with BG2 weapon proficiencies, while Scrolls get the 0x00 of BG1's Large Swords)
It's ok with Sword Angel, since Cavalier's and Kensai's missile forbidding is kept.

About my two pieces of code: ignore the first e-mail, it was bugged
the weapprof.2da modifying won't touch usability flags, and anyway it's also for compatibility with Idobek's "Universal Weapon Styles"
the kit.ids fixes are, as you said, kept for Oversight compatibility.

[Littiz]

If you refer to the "Universal Weapons" part, it's still OK in the actual version, since it modifies all and only the weapons, one per one (COPY_EXISTING sw1h01.itm; COPY_EXISTING sw1h02.itm and so on).

No matter, this only restricts the potential number of incompatibility points.
Like in the case of Cam's Archer of Sylvanus kits, we might have no clashes for the scrolls part, but lots of clashes everywhere else (in this case, just the modified weapons).
But, if Universal Weapons never does anything about the UD flag, then we might have compatibility after all. Still, it'd probably clash with the S.A. component (unless this one is installed last, maybe).
I don't know, it should be checked more deeply...

Could removing it possibly have ended up playing havoc with the WeiDu mods I had installed over it?

You mean you've installed TDD, WeiDU mods over it, and then removed TDD? (ehm, how? )
Sorry Loch, I can hardly imagine a worse thing to do with your BG2 installation
I really don't know what may happen
The kits you listed are from TDD if I'm not mistaken, and they're still there as you may see...

I think a clean re-install is the best thing you can do (trust me, I know how boring it can be....)

[Jolyth]

So here is a question regarding HLA in ToB:

When choosing new HLAs, I have noticed that the scrolls do not completely unroll and there is no description of the spell. Was this intentional?

Sorry if this is a repeat question. I did not see anything like this posted, but I could have missed it.

[T.G.Maestro]

Definitely a bug, but it works here on my PC. Did you tried to re-install the mod?

[the bigg]

Jolyth, were you talking about the scrolls which bear the name of the spell and appear if you let the mouse wait over the icon? it's a engine problem (or it's related to my next assertion B) ).
The problem whereby spells are nameless seems like you forgot to close BG2, Infinity Explorer, Near Infinity and any other similar program while you were installing Refinements. Is this the case? this also leads to the scroll not unfolding (or so does the Hive Mother in Xyx's improved Beholder if you don't have TOB installed.)

[Jolyth]

Definitely a bug, but it works here on my PC. Did you tried to re-install the mod?

Yeah, I tried to reinstall. It must not like me. I am running Refinements on 2 different computers and haven't checked the desktop yet, but the laptop is being prissy.

Jolyth, were you talking about the scrolls which bear the name of the spell and appear if you let the mouse wait over the icon?

Precisely.

The problem whereby spells are nameless seems like you forgot to close BG2, Infinity Explorer, Near Infinity and any other similar program while you were installing Refinements.

No. I turned everything off. I remember specifically 'cause I thught "Aw, I'll just install without closing BGII" and then thought "Yeah, and you're asking for trouble!"

I think my game may just be feeling out of sorts, so I'm gonna do a complete reinstall. Thanks.

[Idobek]

Hm, speaking about your "pretty 2da" code: I got two ID columns. Is that meant to happen?

I have finally worked out what is going on here, I'll try to explain.

// Rogue 2DA
COPY_EXISTING ~WEAPPROF.2DA~                 ~override/WEAPPROF.2DA~
REPLACE_TEXTUALLY ~NAME_REF~                 ~ID NAME_REF~
SET_2DA_ENTRY 34 7 1 ~3~
SET_2DA_ENTRY 34 8 1 ~3~
SET_2DA_ENTRY 34 16 1 ~3~
SET_2DA_ENTRY 34 18 1 ~3~
SET_2DA_ENTRY 34 19 1 ~3~
SET_2DA_ENTRY 31 20 1 ~2~
SET_2DA_ENTRY 34 20 1 ~3~
SET_2DA_ENTRY 31 21 1 ~2~
SET_2DA_ENTRY 34 21 1 ~3~
SET_2DA_ENTRY 34 39 1 ~3~
SET_2DA_ENTRY 34 40 1 ~3~
SET_2DA_ENTRY 34 43 1 ~3~
SET_2DA_ENTRY 34 44 1 ~3~
REPLACE_TEXTUALLY ~
ID~ ~
    ~ // ~enter/ID~ ~enter/2 spaces~

This is the section form Rogue Rebalancing that you are using an almost exact copy of in Refinements. Unforunately the is a tiny error in it that you have also copied. It is this error that is causing extra column headers to appear when a newer version of the "pretty 2da" code is used on the same file. This error is in the last line with has 3 spaces instead of 2 before the closing tilde. This is causing WeiDU to believe there is a column header there when, in fact, there is only white space. So, when I replace what I think is the first column header I am actually replacing the wrong thing.

I would ask you not to use this REPLACE_TEXTUALLY method at all in your tp2 (it has always been flawed). You can leave it out entirely and it will still work as you expect (but without formated column headers). To remove the Rogue Rebalancing error and allow the new improved pretty 2da code to work you can do the following:

REPLACE_TEXTUALLY ~
  ~ ~
~

I suggest you copy a space to replace directly from weapprof.2da (a ConTEXT space didn't want to work).

Edited by Idobek, 10 July 2004 - 06:42 AM.

[Littiz]

Thx for the report, @Idobek.
So, what are you suggesting, precisely?
I should add that short REPLACE_TEXTUALLY command, *and* use the "pretty 2da" code you pasted somewhere above in this thread?

I suggest you copy a space to replace directly from weapprof.2da (a ConTEXT space didn't want to work).

Uh?
What's ConTEXT? An editor maybe?
What if I am using PFE?

[Idobek]

I should add that short REPLACE_TEXTUALLY command, *and* use the "pretty 2da" code you pasted somewhere above in this thread?

Definately use that REPLACE_TEXTUALLY command, the pretty 2da stuff isn't required if you want to leave it out.

What's ConTEXT? An editor maybe?
What if I am using PFE?

Sorry, yes, ConTEXT is an editor. When I simply used the space bar the patch didn't work--I have no idea why. I don't know about PFE.

[the bigg]

CONtext. It's a great text editor for any kind of language.
Text Highlighter for tp2 . Doesn't include most recent functions (BUT_ONLY_IF_IT_CHANGES, READ_2DA_ENTRY)
BAF highlither. Doesn't include TOB stuff, though.
Highlighter for d files (should you ever need to write a dialogue )

EDIT @Idobek: isn't cross-posting nice?

Edited by the bigg, 17 July 2004 - 01:37 AM.

[Littiz]

Highlighter for d files (should you ever need to write a dialogue    )

"Ever" need?
I've coded about 75 Word pages of dialogues for RtW, and heavens know how many I have to code still
Thx, it might prove useful

[the bigg]

Ah. I thought you were mostly a tp2 lackey of TGM...

[Littiz]

Pardon... "lackey"?

I've been the "main technician" while TGM has been the "main creator", yet each of us took part in both technical and creative work.
I hate doing that, but since it isn't the first time I read this here (or in other boards!), I now will detail what I've done for Refinements so far.


Component-wise:

-HLAs
Concept -including implementation, except for a couple of cases- of some of the abilities (new Scribe Scrolls, Animal Affinity, Mirrored Clones, Reveal, Rune of Immunity, Aura Cleansing, Magic Flute, Endurance), Use Scrolls engine, technical work on almost all the new abilities (i.e.: finding ways to obtain the desired results for innovative stuff, and such. And if you believe that this didn't required creativity, you're *damn* wrong).
"Conceptual support" to TGM for the rest (he owned most of the original ideas that still had to be debated and face evolution, as the rule for everything you see in the mod)

-Swashimoen
Everything (modest work). Spell picks for the high level CRE by Caedwyr.

-Shapeshifting Fix
Everything.
The HLA elemental forms have been imported and modified from TGM's first versions as HLAs.

-Monk robes
Only the WeiDU part.

-Sword Angel
Almost everything, though always debating stuff with TGM. Some nice ideas are from him indeed (while some are there despite him! ). TGM also did all the new icons (except one) and provided a new visual or two.


General:

-WeiDU and Scripting
Everything (before your last additions).

-Visuals
Creation and placements of all VVCs (choices on the visuals to use have been made, more or less, by both), general work on ALL the mod's visuals.

-BAMS
Mostly second-hand work
(that is: while TGM -a lot more talented than me- did most of the original icons, I just created 4 or 5 on my own, then I did the pixel by pixel refinements on the ones created by TGM, also did/corrected several of the "book" versions of the new spells icons).

-Documentation:
General handling/formating.

-Posting in the forums
Less than some consider necessary to be ranked as an author instead of a "lackey"


I divided my time between creation, problem solving, implementations, learning stuff that was needed (WeiDU, scripting...).
While this is just a slightly annoying issue in the case of a mod, it does teach much about how one should act in professional life.
Never work too much behind the curtains...
(sorry, I had decided to disregard further issues of this kind, but being addressed as a "lackey" has been a bit too much )
Peace.

Edited by Littiz, 22 July 2004 - 11:17 PM.