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[the bigg]

I have (again) a problem with the SA falling. This time this triggers in one of Minsc's "Hey! We are great heroes!" dialogues. I have attached two saves which cause the SA to fall. (either free the drow's slaves or talk to the illithid ones). I've included my weidu.log so that you can reproduce my gaming platform and/or load correctly. (in particular, as I've heard that the order of kits is important, I have 4 custom kits installed before the SA)
Also, post in the readme that the revised HLAs conflict with the Druidic Sorceror kit. (reason: you begin as a specific druid kit, then it auto - changes to Sorc, with added spells, so the new DS' HLA table is the same of the S. The S's spells are disjunted from the DS's ones with some creative use of EXCLUDED_BY).

[T.G.Maestro]

TGM (where is he??)

Right here. I had to take a break and concentrate on a few personal issues in the last 3 days.

1.: About the Werewolf forms and immunities:
I appreciate the idea to continue this dicussion on the new thread - please people, try to stick to the topics, or simply start a new thread if you need .

2.: Energy Storm

1. Energy Storm doesn't always kick off when selected. For testing I have auto pause when spell cast on. Two or three times I cast a spell, the game paused, I selected ES, & unpaused the game ... and nothing happened. When I looked at my innates the ES was gone, indicating that it had been used. This happened once when I was just in the glade messing around & twice in the fights.

This problem has nothing to do with Refinements, it happens with other spells/innates as well, and only on the "Glade" area, where you battle Illasera & Friends. I'm not sure what causes this, but it happened to me with different characters too - the first spell/innate cast by the character fails, as if affected by a Spell Failure effect. After a more serious thought, I think it might be connected with Illasera's weapon, and its instant killing (summons) and Spell Failure effects.

Inside Timestop, if the caster moves, the Energy Storm intial animation appears where the sorcerer first stood, not where he was when the ability was used

Again, this is not caused by ES. This happens with many spells if cast during Time Stop. Simply cast a few of them, walk away, and they will fire from/on their casting position, not from/on the caster.

The 'blowback' effect is too strong. When used outside of Timestop most foes are knocked outside the damage area.

Not really, only in Time Stop. Normally, if a target gets hit by the Wing Buffet effect, the knockback distance ends before the target would leave the AoE of ES. Yet if you cast this during TS, the blowbacks are stacking, and the result will be as you described.

I seem to be doing a *lot* more damage with Abi's than I do with Energy Storm to all the raiders

Because most of the Raiders have heavy elemental resistances. Remember, if you negate that 3x1D10 elemental damage, only 5D10 magic damage remains, which can be heavy (50), but very weak (5) too. Depends on your luck, and the resistances of opponents. Horrid Wilting does pure (and quite heavy) magical damage. What makes ES much more useful is the fact that it's damage ignores Magic Resistance, just like Dragon's Breath.

[Rathwellin the Bard]

Inside Timestop, if the caster moves, the Energy Storm intial animation appears where the sorcerer first stood, not where he was when the ability was used

Again, this is not caused by ES. This happens with many spells if cast during Time Stop. Simply cast a few of them, walk away, and they will fire from/on their casting position, not from/on the caster.

Le me be clear.

1. Cast Timestop.

2. Move.

3. Cast new spell.

When I do this with Magic Missile it looks like the missile starts at the caster's new position.

When I do this with ES it looks like the ES starts where the Timestop was first cast. I haven't seen that with any other spells yet.

The 'blowback' effect is too strong. When used outside of Timestop most foes are knocked outside the damage area.

Not really, only in Time Stop. Normally, if a target gets hit by the Wing Buffet effect, the knockback distance ends before the target would leave the AoE of ES. Yet if you cast this during TS, the blowbacks are stacking, and the result will be as you described.

I was looking at the spell last night in DLTCEP. I didn't have a lot of time but at first glance it looked like the radius was 30.

TG I tested several times inside & outside a Timestop. Even outside of it most of the Raders got blown out of the damage radius every time.


PS. LOL at you being back. I was beginning to think that your post-birthday party hangover had finally gotten to you.

[T.G.Maestro]

When I do this with ES it looks like the ES starts where the Timestop was first cast. I haven't seen that with any other spells yet.

Hmm, I'll take a look at the positioning of those visuals...

TG I tested several times inside & outside a Timestop. Even outside of it most of the Raders got blown out of the damage radius every time

Again, I'll handle this, the knockback distance will be reduced to 20.

PS. LOL at you being back. I was beginning to think that your post-birthday party hangover had finally gotten to you.

Heh, and it was only a 3-day abscence!
Again, sorry for leaving without notice, but I had to leave fast.

[Littiz]

I have (again) a problem with the SA falling. This time this triggers in one of Minsc's "Hey! We are great heroes!" dialogues. I have attached two saves which cause the SA to fall. (either free the drow's slaves or talk to the illithid ones). I've included my weidu.log so that you can reproduce my gaming platform and/or load correctly. (in particular, as I've heard that the order of kits is important, I have 4 custom kits installed before the SA)

Sorry for those problem.
Can you please be more specific about the happenings?
I'll have a look at the saves, but I'm not sure I'll be able to backtrack things from there.
Oh wait, they're saves before the falling? I'll try them!

Also, post in the readme that the revised HLAs conflict with the Druidic Sorceror kit. (reason: you begin as a specific druid kit, then it auto - changes to Sorc, with added spells, so the new DS' HLA table is the same of the S. The S's spells are disjunted from the DS's ones with some creative use of EXCLUDED_BY).

Frankly, I gave incompatibility with that mod for granted

TGM: nice points about ES, I'll wait for your checks/edits!

[the bigg]

Of course the saves are just before the falling. It would be a nightmare back-tracking it. Anyways, I had 18 Virtue and fred the slaves (which IMHO should, and probably does, up virtue). Minsc says "hey, we do good things!" and then SA has fallen. Ps: if I clua to increase virtue to 20, it works OK. No falling or anything bad.

[Littiz]

Tried one of the saves (the other one seems empty )
I tried with Virtue, and even without it.
Things seem to work here

I don't know what your problem might be. Maybe something I can't reproduce here?
Maybe again it could be still related to the other bug you reported, since you still have the first build?

[T.G.Maestro]

Le me be clear.
1. Cast Timestop.
2. Move.
3. Cast new spell.
When I do this with Magic Missile it looks like the missile starts at the caster's new position.
When I do this with ES it looks like the ES starts where the Timestop was first cast. I haven't seen that with any other spells yet.

Sorry, but you are wrong here. I double-checked these problems, and they are completely the fault of Time Stop. Many "static" visuals seem to stuck at the place where you stood while casting TS, and won't move with the caster during the 24 seconds. Simply try have a Fire Shield on the character before casting TS...or try to cast Protection from Evil during a Time Stop.. I wonder how you never noticed other visuals acting like this.

I was looking at the spell last night in DLTCEP. I didn't have a lot of time but at first glance it looked like the radius was 30.

Really Rathwellin, what file are you talking about?? That effect had a knockback distance of 12 ... anyway, I changed it to 10. But if you are talking about the RADIUS of the knockback effect, that is a different story - while the damaging effects of ES have a 40' radius projectile, the knockback effect uses a 30' .pro file. That 10' difference with a knockback radius of 10 should be ok.

TGM: nice points about ES, I'll wait for your checks/edits!

The corrected/modified files were sent to you this morning, including the ES modifications, the Volcano animation fixes and the extended Skald specialization HLAs.

[Rathwellin the Bard]

Divine Shell does not appear to be absorbing any spells per it's description. It didn't even absorb a magic missile volley right after casting.

If it makes any difference I had the quest spell triggered by chain contingency. It was actually quite interesting. Aerie -> Divine Shell + Regeneration + Heal on self at 25% HP....

Oh, and a single Dispel Magic took it out too. Seemed a bit cheap as far as ways to take out quest spells go.

[T.G.Maestro]

Divine Shell does not appear to be absorbing any spells per it's description

I'm going to check this, thanks for the report!

[T.G.Maestro]

Divine Shell bugs corrected - now it properly absorbs 15 level of spells (up to 8th level), and is undispellable.

[the bigg]

The SA should fall when he morphs to the Slayer while in the 'Chosen of Cyric' encounter. I would suggest modifying the CYslayer.BAF (cutscene where you attack, slayered, Venduris), instead of the dialogue.

[Littiz]

This is a problem right now as I haven't ever played that encounter. In other words, I don't know what you are talking about
I'll check when possible...

What about your other report? As I said, it seems to work here. Have you passed that point?

[T.G.Maestro]

My SA never morphed into the Slayer during that encounter... I never entered into any dialogue either... strange...
I didn't realize there was supposed to be any, this being the first time I've played using Tactics.

This encounter is part of the aPACK (Rogue Rebalancing) mod, not Tactics .

[Littiz]

I have noticed that the SA has been falling during some fights, at random times, for no particular reason it seemed. As far as I can tell, the Sword Angel will fall when a summoned or charmed creature is killed by an enemy by melee or magic damage.

I suspect this is still tied to the (big) bug I already fixed in my local build.
The scripts of various neutral creatures should now be patched properly (I hope)

[Caveman]

This encounter is part of the aPACK

Right! You'll have to excuse me, I wasn't very coherent when I read the post and made the reply! I was thinking about the Priest of Cyric(?) encounter in the North Forest.
@Littiz: CLUAConsoleCreateCreature("CYTEST") will spawn the encounter.

Something minor- On the Inquisitor's HLA selection screen Righteous Magic reads as Holy Purge when the courser is placed over the icon and left over it or 'Tab' is pressed. Everything is fine when R.M. is selected and used. I don't think it warrants a bugfix, maybe just a warning, though.

I suspect this is still tied to the (big) bug I already fixed in my local build.
The scripts of various neutral creatures should now be patched properly (I hope)

Everything seems to be fine with the neutrals, it is when a friendly(green) summoned/charmed creature is killed by an enemy that will cause the S.A. to fall. I see that we can attach files to the posts now. If you want, I will isolate an example and post it. Hopefully more people will use the kit and someone can double check me on this.

[T.G.Maestro]

Something minor- On the Inquisitor's HLA selection screen Righteous Magic reads as Holy Purge when the courser is placed over the icon and left over it or 'Tab' is pressed. Everything is fine when R.M. is selected and used.

Thanks for the report, I'll check it out.

[Littiz]

Thx Caveman, but if I'm not mistaken the shouts scripts are used also by some of the summons, so we'd still be in the same case.

I couldn't imagine the source of the problem otherwise...

[T.G.Maestro]

I've fixed several problems with the Sword Angel kit, all the corrected files were sent to Littiz.

Yet I have something that would discuss before I'd make any changes:
The Improved Merciful Fighting HLA for this kit has the following effects:
- it lasts 1 round;
- every blow knocks the target uncounscious for 5 rounds (no save) if under 20 HPs;
- every blow knocks the target uncounscious for 5 rounds (save vs. death at -2);
- reduces damage dealt by the user by 6.

Now, after a few tests this one seems to be overpowered to me. True, the damage reduction is fine, and I have no problems with that 20HP-effect, but the general uncounsciousness effect on opponents is crazy. 5 rounds is much, and I managed to knock 3 of Illasera's goons senseless with this ability (using Boots of Speed) in the first round of the battle. They were dead meat, since my other party members eagerly butchered them on the spot (5 rounds is much if you consider a helpless state, surrounded by NPCs like Minsc, Sarevok, etc.).

I'd either suggest lowering the save to "save vs. death at 0", or reducing the duration of the knockdown effect to 3 rounds.