360 replies to this topic

[Roxanne]

Hey Rox, I was wondering if u could say few things: does Sandrah have like extra lines for certain classes? for example cleric of helm/ilma/talos or bard or like PLD or something else? or some other gems hidden like that?

Those exist in large numbers, either for the PC or for certain NPCs representing some aspects. There are examples for classes/alignement/gender etc. It all happens in the normal cause of events, i.e some events/response options/quests etc will only appear if the conditions are met. Sandrah adapts herself to the PC and the party members. Most likely this will go unnoticed (it is supposed to be only visible if you play the game with her more than once and you see different options under different circumstances).

It is pretty unlikely that you find each and every *hidden gem* or *junk* in a single playthrough.

[hideyuki]

Not interested in single playthru at the moment enjoying it a lot so far, there are moments that make me slap Sandrah in face.. Anyway: Does she have some extensive talks with Dorn or any EE NPC?

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found that I can ask Her about relationship with other NPC's, but so far I have only talk about Imoen. How long it happen before other npc will get her attention there? Or are there any req for that? My current pt Imoen, Viconia, Sarah, Me, Dorn, Nerra. Btw, if we rescuse NPC Sandrah seems obligated to help them, does that mean she have extensive relationship to those?

Cheers and thanks for reply ^^

[Roxanne]

Not interested in single playthru at the moment enjoying it a lot so far, there are moments that make me slap Sandrah in face..

Anyway:
Does she have some extensive talks with Dorn or any EE NPC?

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found that I can ask Her about relationship with other NPC's, but so far I have only talk about Imoen. How long it happen before other npc will get her attention there? Or are there any req for that? My current pt Imoen, Viconia, Sarah, Me, Dorn, Nerra.

Btw, if we rescuse NPC Sandrah seems obligated to help them, does that mean she have extensive relationship to those?

Cheers and thanks for reply ^^

On the EE NPCs - her interactions are as limited as those NPCs are underdevelopped (she has some talks with Dorn and that monk but not much, they are too meager personalities to be good for anything).

Exception is Neera if you have the Neera mod extensions installed, the priestess of Mystra and the wildmage get along well.

 

Sandrah + Viconia have a lot of interactions. In BG2 there is even an extra quest for Sandrah and Viconia. (Shar + Mystra, after all they represent the Weave and the Shadow Weave etc...and Sandrah has a special bond with drow as the story will reveal in the long term.)

 

The *relationship with other NPC* option is only of interest if Sandrah starts to flirt excessively with another NPC and you want to stop it, otherwise nothing there.

[hideyuki]

Yeh, I found that Viconia and Kivan had more interaction than rest NPC, I was kinda sad too, that Siren (PLD) NPC didnt had any talks with Sarah..

[Roxanne]

Yeh, I found that Viconia and Kivan had more interaction than rest NPC, I was kinda sad too, that Siren (PLD) NPC didnt had any talks with Sarah..

She has - you have to have both in the party when Sandrah's first demonic quest starts...(Siren's banters with PC start late as well.)

[hideyuki]

Spoiler question:

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at what chapter we meet Sandrah father for 'demonic scroll' quest?
right after Naskel Mines, meeting Mr.E but couldnt talk with him bout scroll, yet I couldnt progress it even if I found location area for it..

Next question, about explorin sword coast, is it better to do it outright for example gather party and off we go, or should wait till certain chapter to make most of it? I am talkin bout light house area and firebridge and so on~ or it doesnt matter

Edited by hideyuki, 27 April 2017 - 03:53 AM.

[Roxanne]

Spoiler question:

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at what chapter we meet Sandrah father for 'demonic scroll' quest?
right after Naskel Mines, meeting Mr.E but couldnt talk with him bout scroll, yet I couldnt progress it even if I found location area for it..

Next question, about explorin sword coast, is it better to do it outright for example gather party and off we go, or should wait till certain chapter to make most of it? I am talkin bout light house area and firebridge and so on~ or it doesnt matter

You get the scroll quest one day after you found out about Sandrah's relation to E. (regardless of chapter).

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Which happens once you talked to Jaheira/Khalid, E at waysign, Thalantyr, Nalin in Nashkel temple, Volo in Nashkel...to name a few

Exploring area's is up to you, it makes more sense after Nashkel mines (Lighthouse makes more sense after you first visited Waterdeep) but it works either way. Exploring slowly just gives you additional (optional) information and a *fuller* story.

[hideyuki]

Hey Rox

 

got a few questions here, tho still spoiler

 

First

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since I am not 'mage' type characer, pref. thief>war or dual thief/war, how much I loose in matter of mod, I mean in eyes of Sandrah?

seems, for me atleast, that Sandrah is more "magucal", seems there are moments that require, or its better to be mage with her

 

Second

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Sarah seems to get a lot of spciall abilities thanks to Mystra, so far theyre usfull in its own way,
I wonder about shared abilities, like mass charm and mass heal that I got so far. My question is, what are requitements to get those, usually its some talk, but there are some related for example to joinable NPC? or its just Sandrah and NPC

 

 

Thanks for amazing mod, I enjoy it very much

 

 

 

[Roxanne]

Hey Rox

 

got a few questions here, tho still spoiler

 

First

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since I am not 'mage' type characer, pref. thief>war or dual thief/war, how much I loose in matter of mod, I mean in eyes of Sandrah?

seems, for me atleast, that Sandrah is more "magucal", seems there are moments that require, or its better to be mage with her

 

Second

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Sarah seems to get a lot of spciall abilities thanks to Mystra, so far theyre usfull in its own way,
I wonder about shared abilities, like mass charm and mass heal that I got so far. My question is, what are requitements to get those, usually its some talk, but there are some related for example to joinable NPC? or its just Sandrah and NPC

 

 

Thanks for amazing mod, I enjoy it very much

First

There is no such requirement for the PC - you are free to be anything you like. (The only one who gets an extra as a magic user is Imoen, she gets a large extra quest with Sandrah if she is mage or thief/mage by the choice you make upon leaving Candlekeep.)

 

Second

Again no requirement for the PC - the events/dialogues are triggered by the progress and nature of the relationship between PC and Sandrah.

 

PS - She is Sandrah.

Sarah is a ranger NPC from another mod, a lesbian lover you can meet in BG2 Umar Hills.

[Roxanne]

Hey Roxanne! I'm starting a new EET playthrough with Sandrah as part of a BWS install, and I wanted to get your advice on party composition since Sandrah has such a huge amount of crossmod content and relationships with Bioware NPCs.

 

I'm really early in the game (just passed Beregost) and have already met about 6 NPCs I can't fit into the party. Right now I've got Sandrah, Imoen, Finch, Jen'ilg, and Neera (with Neera expansion installed). Will I miss out on content or break any quests if I switch out Jen'ilg until I'm closer to Baldur's Gate? And aside from Imoen (and Sandrah obviously) are there any NPCs you'd say are must-haves to always keep in the party? 

Jen'lig has her own personal quest which runs all through BG1 (with a possible second quest during ToB -

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she will depart after Sarevok's death to finish her business and not appear again until ToB, but only if she was a party member in BG1

). Since the stations of her quest are linked to events in the protagonist's main BG1 quest it means that kicking her out makes her go finish the quest on her own - you cannot get her back but you loose no other contents but her own.

 

There are no NPC's

are must-haves to always keep in the party

from Sandrah's perspective, not even Imoen (you just loose a lot of additional contents related to Imoen  AND the protagonist without her being in the BG1 party, but everything is still playable, just less interesting.).

 

You need to rescue Dynaheir (and bring her to safety from the gnoll fort) and Viconia from their respective perils to gain some items for Sandrah's main quest, but you need not to keep them. You need Drizzt in the party during the Drizzt-Saga quests, but that should be obvious. You need Jet Laya for the initial DSotSC quest - this is implied by that mod itself (DSotSC episodes provide a lot of insight and additional quests for Sandrah and Jen'lig - but this is optional stuff that just glues all the contents tighter together and makes the story richer.)

Edited by Roxanne, 18 May 2017 - 12:31 AM.

[Roxanne]

Thanks Roxanne!   I'm still in Chapter 2, exploring up and down the Sword Coast, doing pretty much all the side quests before the main one. 

 

I have another question - I'm trying to hunt down the bandit in Waterdeep, and can't find the entrance to the sewers. I saw your response to this question in another thread, where you said it's

 

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"in the first area of Waterdeep near the house where the shadow thieves hide, road north of the Festhall". I haven't met any shadow thieves,

 

and I've combed that entire area for ages, but can't find any entrances. What am I looking for, exactly?

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Some sewer grates in the road in that area (CVROA2) at position 2225.1971 that show the stairs symbol when you move over them, so you can get down.

The building north of it appears to be empty at first, but when you enter and explore it and open some doors and locks, the shadow thieves will appear.

[kheraz]

Hello, I just installed the mod, but I had to manually add a ~ at the end of the line 1460 in ./SandrahNPC/TRA/setup-Sandr.tra, otherwise the installation wouldn't had proceed ( I"ve tried BOTH the BWS version and the one on the first message of this topic ).

[Roxanne]

Hello, I just installed the mod, but I had to manually add a ~ at the end of the line 1460 in ./SandrahNPC/TRA/setup-Sandr.tra, otherwise the installation wouldn't had proceed ( I"ve tried BOTH the BWS version and the one on the first message of this topic ).

Thank you for the hint.

I just introduced the error a few hours ago when correcting a typo in this line. Fixed now.

 

PS- the mod version in both sources are identical, they both use the github source that is now corected.

[kheraz]

Hello, I just installed the mod, but I had to manually add a ~ at the end of the line 1460 in ./SandrahNPC/TRA/setup-Sandr.tra, otherwise the installation wouldn't had proceed ( I"ve tried BOTH the BWS version and the one on the first message of this topic ).

Thank you for the hint.

I just introduced the error a few hours ago when correcting a typo in this line. Fixed now.

 

PS- the mod version in both sources are identical, they both use the github source that is now corected.

 

 

Haha I thought so but in case I precised it ^.^ Thanks for the mod btw !

Edited by kheraz, 23 July 2017 - 08:08 AM.

[subtledoctor]

Roxanne, out of curiosity: Sandrah is a multiclass fighter/cleric, right? Is her custom kit a single-class cleric kit, or a multiclass F/C kit?

[Roxanne]

Roxanne, out of curiosity: Sandrah is a multiclass fighter/cleric, right? Is her custom kit a single-class cleric kit, or a multiclass F/C kit?

Here is the code from her tp2:

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ADD_KIT ~CVMystra~
~CVMystra               1           1           1           1           0           1           1           1~
~CVMystra 2 2 0 2 2 2 2 0 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 5 2 2 2 2 2 1 2 0 0 0 0 3 5 5 0 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2~
~CVMystra               12       0       0       8       10       10~
~CVMystra               0       0       0       0       0       0~
~CVMystra               0      0       0       0       0       0~
~CVMystra               15      0       0       0       0       0~
~CVMystra               0       0       1       1       0       0       0       0       0~
~CVMystra               0       0       0       0       0       0~
~SandrahNPC/Kit/CVMystra.2da~
~~
~0x00004000     3~
~FC0~
~* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *~
SAY @967
SAY @765
SAY @766

INCLUDE ~SandrahNPC/Kit/fl#add_kit_ee.tpa~
LAF fl#add_kit_ee
STR_VAR
kit_name = CVMystra
END

//DEFINE SPHERE ACCESS______________________________________________________________
//
INCLUDE ~SandrahNPC/lib/remove_lines.tpa~


ACTION_INCLUDE ~%MOD_FOLDER%/lib/fnp_compat.tpa~
COPY_EXISTING ~kitlist.2da~ ~override~
    COUNT_2DA_ROWS 1 rows
    READ_2DA_ENTRY (%rows% - 1) 5 1 mod_clab
BUT_ONLY
LAF ~DEFINE_FNP_KIT_INFO~
  INT_VAR
    c_cleric         = 0   // put a '1' next to the kit's class
    c_acolyte         = 0
    c_fighter_cleric = 1   // only choose ONE of these classes!
    c_cleric_mage    = 0
    c_cleric_thief     = 0
    c_ranger_cleric    = 0
    c_druid         = 0
    c_mystic         = 0
    c_occultist     = 0
    c_champion         = 0
    c_zealot         = 0
    c_ranger         = 0
    c_scout         = 0
  STR_VAR
    clab_name = EVAL ~%mod_clab%~
    race             = ~human~  
    s_Life             = ~focus~   // for chosen spheres, enter 'focus' or 'major' or 'minor'
    s_Death         = ~x~   // (or 'paladin' or 'ranger' for those classes)
    s_Benediction     = ~major~
    s_Destruction     = ~major~
    s_Protection     = ~x~
    s_War             = ~minor~
    s_Knowledge     = ~major~
    s_Deception     = ~minor~
    s_Thought         = ~minor~
    s_Dread         = ~x~
    s_Vigor         = ~x~
    s_Affliction     = ~x~
    s_Animal         = ~minor~
    s_Plant         = ~x~
    s_Earth         = ~x~
    s_Water         = ~x~
    s_Air             = ~major~
    s_Fire             = ~minor~
    s_Light         = ~x~
    s_Shadow         = ~x~
    s_Magic         = ~major~
END

ACTION_IF FILE_EXISTS_IN_GAME ~d5_spheres.d5~ BEGIN
  INCLUDE ~%MOD_FOLDER%/lib/add_fnp_spheres.tpa~
END

[subtledoctor]

Since this is EE-only, I might suggest making the the kit match her actual class:

~0x00004000    8~

This has a few benefits:
- For kits available to Charname, they can appear under the proper multiclass in character generation menus (inapplicable here of course)
- The kit can use its own values in weapprof.2da instead of the trueclass fighter/cleric column
- The kit can have a custom HLA table instead of using the trueclass fighter/cleric table
- More generally, the kit will accurately match its class, instead of shoehorning a kit from one class into a different class.

The engine does not fully support multiclass kits by default... but Aquadrizzt has thoughtfully created a function to make it work. It's quite easy to use:
https://forums.beamd...ticlass-kits/p1