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[Sam.]

An issue already discussed before and something I removed intentionally after the BGT experience. My mod is designed for a mega-mod installation. Such installs in most cases contain the big tweak/spell/item revision etc mods as well. I never found two installations in which things worked exactly in the same way. Descriptions are never correct and tweak mods do not provide updated descriptions for other mods even when they change their contents. Same is true for her spells and her items.

Are you sure this still happens with the current generation of mods, and if so, which ones? This really shouldn't happen.

You can only ever be expected to provide accurate description for the content that you yourself add to the game. If, further down the install order, a mod changes your content but does not update the relevant descriptions accordingly, then that is a serious flaw in that other mod's design that needs to be addressed. You should never feel obligated to provide less as a result of the laziness or incompetence of someone else.

If you remain adamant about not including descriptions for the special abilities et al., you might consider at least providing a general but greatly simplified description of what it does (like what you did for Sandrah's "Knock" spell:

Spoiler

Sandrah has gained the ability to knock open locks during her intermezzo with the thief Coran

This is the current state of Sandrah's "special abilities" in my current game. It is quite inconsistent and I am wondering if this is vanilla "Sandrah Saga" behavior or whether (as you say) other mods are messing things up.

Spoiler

The "Knock" spell is found in the "Cast Spell" section, but it is not one of her memorized mage spells.  It has the description listed above.  Note that if "Coran" is the NPC you meet in Cloakwood, I have not been to Cloakwood yet (as I am in Chapter 2) and have not met him.

The "Heal Group" Special Ability has only the description: "Heal Group".

The "Cure Disease" Special Ability has only the description: "Cure Disease".  There are two different stacks of these, each with three castings.

The "Greater Restoration" Special Ability has a full description of Greater Restoration.

The "Lay On Hands" Special Ability has a full description, but it is the description of Cure Light Wounds.

The "Mystra's Vapour" Special Ability has only the description: "Mystra's Vapour".

The "Neutralize Poison" Special Ability has a full description of Neutralize Poison.

The "True Sight" Special Ability has a full description of True Sight, but there are two stacks of these, each with 1 casting.

The "Mass Charm" Special Ability has only the description: "Mass Charm".

The "Healing Touch" Special Ability has a completely blank description.

[Roxanne]

An issue already discussed before and something I removed intentionally after the BGT experience. My mod is designed for a mega-mod installation. Such installs in most cases contain the big tweak/spell/item revision etc mods as well. I never found two installations in which things worked exactly in the same way. Descriptions are never correct and tweak mods do not provide updated descriptions for other mods even when they change their contents. Same is true for her spells and her items.

Are you sure this still happens with the current generation of mods, and if so, which ones? This really shouldn't happen.

You can only ever be expected to provide accurate description for the content that you yourself add to the game. If, further down the install order, a mod changes your content but does not update the relevant descriptions accordingly, then that is a serious flaw in that other mod's design that needs to be addressed. You should never feel obligated to provide less as a result of the laziness or incompetence of someone else.

If you remain adamant about not including descriptions for the special abilities et al., you might consider at least providing a general but greatly simplified description of what it does (like what you did for Sandrah's "Knock" spell:

Spoiler

Sandrah has gained the ability to knock open locks during her intermezzo with the thief Coran

This is the current state of Sandrah's "special abilities" in my current game. It is quite inconsistent and I am wondering if this is vanilla "Sandrah Saga" behavior or whether (as you say) other mods are messing things up.

Spoiler

The "Knock" spell is found in the "Cast Spell" section, but it is not one of her memorized mage spells.  It has the description listed above.  Note that if "Coran" is the NPC you meet in Cloakwood, I have not been to Cloakwood yet (as I am in Chapter 2) and have not met him.

The "Heal Group" Special Ability has only the description: "Heal Group".

The "Cure Disease" Special Ability has only the description: "Cure Disease".  There are two different stacks of these, each with three castings.

The "Greater Restoration" Special Ability has a full description of Greater Restoration.

The "Lay On Hands" Special Ability has a full description, but it is the description of Cure Light Wounds.

The "Mystra's Vapour" Special Ability has only the description: "Mystra's Vapour".

The "Neutralize Poison" Special Ability has a full description of Neutralize Poison.

The "True Sight" Special Ability has a full description of True Sight, but there are two stacks of these, each with 1 casting.

The "Mass Charm" Special Ability has only the description: "Mass Charm".

The "Healing Touch" Special Ability has a completely blank description.

 

Which spell mods do you have installed?

 

I will add some descriptive text about why she receives certain abilities: Priestess of Mystra, boon of Midnight, special relation to Weave and assimilating spells etc, (This is in some dialogues but may be fitting for spell description as well.)

Edited by Roxanne, 22 March 2017 - 11:46 PM.

[Samriel]

Hmmm, a potential bug.

 

Upon entering Kagain's Shop I suddenly received the Golem's Construction Manual without any kind of conversation. It just appeared in my MC's pocket without any build up when I entered that shop.

 

Given that Sandrah appears in the description of said item I guess it is related to this mod.

[Roxanne]

Hmmm, a potential bug.

 

Upon entering Kagain's Shop I suddenly received the Golem's Construction Manual without any kind of conversation. It just appeared in my MC's pocket without any build up when I entered that shop.

 

Given that Sandrah appears in the description of said item I guess it is related to this mod.

There should be some conversation after a while where Sandrah would mention that this book is useful to read. You need to have the item identified for that - unless you already had this conversation (editions of the book can be found in various places).

 

In case she never talks about this *find*, please check this C:GetGlobal("SanGolman","LOCALS") remember that to check locals, your cursor must have selected the NPC, i.e Sandrah in this case.

[Sam.]

An issue already discussed before and something I removed intentionally after the BGT experience. My mod is designed for a mega-mod installation. Such installs in most cases contain the big tweak/spell/item revision etc mods as well. I never found two installations in which things worked exactly in the same way. Descriptions are never correct and tweak mods do not provide updated descriptions for other mods even when they change their contents. Same is true for her spells and her items.

Are you sure this still happens with the current generation of mods, and if so, which ones? This really shouldn't happen.

You can only ever be expected to provide accurate description for the content that you yourself add to the game. If, further down the install order, a mod changes your content but does not update the relevant descriptions accordingly, then that is a serious flaw in that other mod's design that needs to be addressed. You should never feel obligated to provide less as a result of the laziness or incompetence of someone else.

If you remain adamant about not including descriptions for the special abilities et al., you might consider at least providing a general but greatly simplified description of what it does (like what you did for Sandrah's "Knock" spell:

Spoiler

Sandrah has gained the ability to knock open locks during her intermezzo with the thief Coran

This is the current state of Sandrah's "special abilities" in my current game. It is quite inconsistent and I am wondering if this is vanilla "Sandrah Saga" behavior or whether (as you say) other mods are messing things up.

Spoiler

The "Knock" spell is found in the "Cast Spell" section, but it is not one of her memorized mage spells.  It has the description listed above.  Note that if "Coran" is the NPC you meet in Cloakwood, I have not been to Cloakwood yet (as I am in Chapter 2) and have not met him.

The "Heal Group" Special Ability has only the description: "Heal Group".

The "Cure Disease" Special Ability has only the description: "Cure Disease".  There are two different stacks of these, each with three castings.

The "Greater Restoration" Special Ability has a full description of Greater Restoration.

The "Lay On Hands" Special Ability has a full description, but it is the description of Cure Light Wounds.

The "Mystra's Vapour" Special Ability has only the description: "Mystra's Vapour".

The "Neutralize Poison" Special Ability has a full description of Neutralize Poison.

The "True Sight" Special Ability has a full description of True Sight, but there are two stacks of these, each with 1 casting.

The "Mass Charm" Special Ability has only the description: "Mass Charm".

The "Healing Touch" Special Ability has a completely blank description.

Which spell mods do you have installed?

I tried hard to leave out any mods that reinvent the spell or armor systems:  I pretty much like them the way they are.  I looked through my WeiDU.log(s) and nothing jumped out as obviously messing with the overall spell system or NPCs special abilities, but here they are if you want to take a look:

 Sam_EET_BWS_Logs_20170323.zip   15.71K   121 downloads

[Roxanne]

Hmmm, a potential bug.

 

Upon entering Kagain's Shop I suddenly received the Golem's Construction Manual without any kind of conversation. It just appeared in my MC's pocket without any build up when I entered that shop.

 

Given that Sandrah appears in the description of said item I guess it is related to this mod.

There should be some conversation after a while where Sandrah would mention that this book is useful to read. You need to have the item identified for that - unless you already had this conversation (editions of the book can be found in various places).

 

In case she never talks about this *find*, please check this C:GetGlobal("SanGolman","LOCALS") remember that to check locals, your cursor must have selected the NPC, i.e Sandrah in this case.

Re-tested the scene

As soon as you have the item identified, Sandrah talks to you about its possible use. Afterwards you just need to encounter a golem...which may take some time still when you are still in Bergost...

[Roxanne]

Sam., on 20 Mar 2017 - 23:19, said:

Me: Hey Sandra, there's a whole room full of low level skeletons just up ahead.  How about you try to Turn Undead?

Sandrah: *Blatantly breaks all current actions/commands, equips her melee hammer, and runs headlong into the room.*

 

I added and succesfully tested this condition:

 

IF
    ActionListEmpty()
    See(NearestEnemyOf(Myself))
    Range(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),20)
    !ModalState(TURNUNDEAD)
THEN
    RESPONSE #100
        EquipMostDamagingMelee()
        AttackReevaluate(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),30)
END

 

It makes her far less effective against undead but more docile to the players advice. Not sure whether this is a worthy trade-off?

She is a fighter/cleric - which side is to win here?

 

PS - might be that in a highly modded install (like mine) Turn Undead is not very effective, many undead do not care about this at all.

Edited by Roxanne, 23 March 2017 - 01:00 PM.

[K4thos]

Right, its just the last time I checked the EET thread the mod did not progress much and I thought that maybe the version I used from around 2 months before was still considered "current".

 

Looks like the mod got a decent boost in progress, huh.

 

 

Ah...one more thing. Should I start the game from the beginning just in case/to avoid any bugs due to loading a save for the old version or it should be moderately safe to load an old save?

 

Unlike BGT, BG1 vanilla content in EET always uses predefined string numbers, so there won't be a problem with it (unless mods changes that content which is often the case). As for the strings added by mods than it's normal that old saves no longer works correctly if there is any change in mods install order since dialog.tlk will have new strings in different order (same is true in vanilla games). I've added an option to EET to solve this problem so that you can still continue your old saves on new installation, even if you changed install order or removed some mods. During setup-eet_end installation you will be asked if you want to update your old saves to work correctly with the new installation (using TRA files located in the saves directory, exported during your old installation). After doing so you are good to go, although keep in mind that this feature has not been tested by many people, so I can't promiss that it's flawless. It does following things:

- update all string references added by mods in saves via TRA files from old installation (vanilla BG:EE, SoD, BG2:EE references are not touched)

- removes non-existing resource references (items, CRE etc.) present in saves if they're no longer present in the game, so that save doesn't crash if data storred there is missing

- restores worldmap from scratch using base one from override and restores all progress from old worldmap storred in your saves.

 

edit: if you're using BWS than this feature may not be available considering the tool probably sends "no" to the question for save updating and after installing setup-eet_end the feature is no longer available (because TRA files from old installation are overwritten during this component installation). If this is the case try un-checking EET_end component in BWS mods selection. Once the installation is done you can install it manually at the end and send "yes" to that question (if you still have correct TRA files from old installation in your save directory - backup them if you're not sure what to do).

Edited by K4thos, 25 March 2017 - 09:07 PM.

[Sam.]

Sam., on 20 Mar 2017 - 23:19, said:
Me: Hey Sandra, there's a whole room full of low level skeletons just up ahead.  How about you try to Turn Undead?
Sandrah: *Blatantly breaks all current actions/commands, equips her melee hammer, and runs headlong into the room.*

 
I added and succesfully tested this condition:
 
IF
    ActionListEmpty()
    See(NearestEnemyOf(Myself))
    Range(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),20)
    !ModalState(TURNUNDEAD)
THEN
    RESPONSE #100
        EquipMostDamagingMelee()
        AttackReevaluate(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),30)
END
 
It makes her far less effective against undead but more docile to the players advice. Not sure whether this is a worthy trade-off?
She is a fighter/cleric - which side is to win here?
 
PS - might be that in a highly modded install (like mine) Turn Undead is not very effective, many undead do not care about this at all.

Looks okay to me. Turn Undead is directly tied to the undead creature's hit dice, so if a mod (or LoB/HoF mode) drastically increases their hit die, then yeah Turn Undead become fairly useless.

On another note, I've run into a wall on one of Sandrah's quests.

Spoiler

It's the one involving the demon scroll where the guy pops up and tells me to go talk to Elminster at the FAI temple. I talk to him then head off to find a cave in the Cloud Peak Mountains. I head to BG5200 and walk up to where a cave should be next to the sign post that reads "Cloud Peak Mountains", but the entrance isn't activated.  I have been to the area before (with Sandrah in the party) and completed the dead cat quest.  The BG5200 variable NarQCav is set to 1, but the PixieHint GLOBAL "Does not exist".  Am I at the right cave, and if so have I missed something?

 

Edit:  I changed the PixieHint GLOBAL to 3 which activated the cave entrance.  Clearly isn't the right cave, but there must still be an issue here.

Edited by Sam., 26 March 2017 - 05:16 PM.

[Roxanne]

Sam., on 20 Mar 2017 - 23:19, said:
Me: Hey Sandra, there's a whole room full of low level skeletons just up ahead.  How about you try to Turn Undead?
Sandrah: *Blatantly breaks all current actions/commands, equips her melee hammer, and runs headlong into the room.*

 
I added and succesfully tested this condition:
 
IF
    ActionListEmpty()
    See(NearestEnemyOf(Myself))
    Range(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),20)
    !ModalState(TURNUNDEAD)
THEN
    RESPONSE #100
        EquipMostDamagingMelee()
        AttackReevaluate(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),30)
END
 
It makes her far less effective against undead but more docile to the players advice. Not sure whether this is a worthy trade-off?
She is a fighter/cleric - which side is to win here?
 
PS - might be that in a highly modded install (like mine) Turn Undead is not very effective, many undead do not care about this at all.

Looks okay to me. Turn Undead is directly tied to the undead creature's hit dice, so if a mod (or LoB/HoF mode) drastically increases their hit die, then yeah Turn Undead become fairly useless.

On another note, I've run into a wall on one of Sandrah's quests.

Spoiler

It's the one involving the demon scroll where the guy pops up and tells me to go talk to Elminster at the FAI temple. I talk to him then head off to find a cave in the Cloud Peak Mountains. I head to BG5200 and walk up to where a cave should be next to the sign post that reads "Cloud Peak Mountains", but the entrance isn't activated.  I have been to the area before (with Sandrah in the party) and completed the dead cat quest.  The BG5200 variable NarQCav is set to 1, but the PixieHint GLOBAL "Does not exist".  Am I at the right cave, and if so have I missed something?

 

Edit:  I changed the PixieHint GLOBAL to 3 which activated the cave entrance.  Clearly isn't the right cave, but there must still be an issue here.

Cloudpeak Mountains encompass more than one area in the south, it is the whole border to Amn.

Spoiler

The cave here will play a role, but you have to find another waterfall first. In a neighbouting area.

[grynberg]

I think you should add romance checks to some of her actions.. we've been together for four chapters like love-birds. Suddenly she sees Bjorn at the Jovial Juggler and she goes to give him a "massage". I thought I was maybe reading too much into this, english is my third second language afterall. Later in the game we went into the beregost smithy and she showed the smith her "necklace" and asked it to be fixed. Smith was pretty tired from all the fixing in the back room as much as I could tell. I mean seriously, romance mod is fine but does she really have to sleep with anyone she finds remotely interesting.

 

I love the gameplay improvements you have made to some of the mods (DSotSC is MUCH more playable thanks to her explanations) and I was reallly enjoying the waterdeep area and the quests. However, the inconsistency of her actions is making the playthrough very tiresome. At one point she is rational, does some plot exposition, talks about loyalty, friendship, about his fathers friends aaaand then she drops her skirt and screws whoever comes up next. 

 

I have to keep reminding myself that perhaps this is just some fake persona she is putting up, but she is not making it easy to like her.

Edited by grynberg, 27 March 2017 - 10:03 AM.

[Roxanne]

I think you should add romance checks to some of her actions.. we've been together for four chapters like love-birds. Suddenly she sees Bjorn at the Jovial Juggler and she goes to give him a "massage". I thought I was maybe reading too much into this, english is my third second language afterall. Later in the game we went into the beregost smithy and she showed the smith her "necklace" and asked it to be fixed. Smith was pretty tired from all the fixing in the back room as much as I could tell. I mean seriously, romance mod is fine but does she really have to sleep with anyone she finds remotely interesting.

 

I love the gameplay improvements you have made to some of the mods (DSotSC is MUCH more playable thanks to her explanations) and I was reallly enjoying the waterdeep area and the quests. However, the inconsistency of her actions is making the playthrough very tiresome. At one point she is rational, does some plot exposition, talks about loyalty, friendship, about his fathers friends aaaand then she drops her skirt and screws whoever comes up next. 

Or is this just your fantasy that lets you interpret it this way?

I have to keep reminding myself that perhaps this is just some fake persona she is putting up, but she is not making it easy to like her.

Spoiler

Her grandmother was a woman named Midnight, who earned her nickname -  and nevertheless she evolved to become someone quite different.

I fully agree - there  are companions that make liking them easier - or hating them.

[grynberg]

I think you should add romance checks to some of her actions.. we've been together for four chapters like love-birds. Suddenly she sees Bjorn at the Jovial Juggler and she goes to give him a "massage". I thought I was maybe reading too much into this, english is my third second language afterall. Later in the game we went into the beregost smithy and she showed the smith her "necklace" and asked it to be fixed. Smith was pretty tired from all the fixing in the back room as much as I could tell. I mean seriously, romance mod is fine but does she really have to sleep with anyone she finds remotely interesting.

 

I love the gameplay improvements you have made to some of the mods (DSotSC is MUCH more playable thanks to her explanations) and I was reallly enjoying the waterdeep area and the quests. However, the inconsistency of her actions is making the playthrough very tiresome. At one point she is rational, does some plot exposition, talks about loyalty, friendship, about his fathers friends aaaand then she drops her skirt and screws whoever comes up next. 

Or is this just your fantasy that lets you interpret it this way?

I have to keep reminding myself that perhaps this is just some fake persona she is putting up, but she is not making it easy to like her.

Spoiler

Her grandmother was a woman named Midnight, who earned her nickname -  and nevertheless she evolved to become someone quite different.

I fully agree - there  are companions that make liking them easier - or hating them.

 

 

No, it's not my fantasy. It's not exactly subtle when he's using his *tool* (sic!) to fix her problem. It's blatantly obvious what the writer ment. Same goes for Bjorn and some other cases I dismissed earlier because it was my second playthrough with her (first one was broken) and I just skipped dialogue to get back to the point where the game broke.

 

I think you misunderstood why I don't like her. The irrational sex part is not bothering me that much, we've all been young. What bothers me is the fractured personality she seems to have. At one point she is a rational adult, a figure of authority, a teacher, the next moment she's a nympho, then she changes into a water-splashing teenager, then she slips into the shoes of a loyal daughter and then she's a seduceress and so on. I just can't connect with her at all, there's no personality, there's half a dozen of them depending on what's convenient to the story.

 

That said, I am going to play through this and I admire the massive amount of work this must have taken. All of the new areas I've seen are comparable to the original game content (which can't be said to all mods) and the story so far has been entertaining and captivating.

 

EDIT: Another thing that's been really bugging me. Sandrah makes the game easy.. I'm playing at Insane with Stratagems tuned to the highest difficulty and it's just.. too easy with her. The two animal companions are really overpowered and Sandrah has so much gear and special abilities that she overshadows everyone else everywhere.. She hits like a truck, gets mass cure light heals at very early levels, gets greater restoration as an SLA at level 5, not to mention the cure diseases, poisons, true seeings, numerous heals on her SLA list. And she gets haste and dispel magic! On cleric spell list!

Just an example on the overpowered equipment. Since she's such a powerhouse and I set her to be the main tank, I gave her the best shield I had (+5 AC and something else on it) -- on comes Elminster, sees her daughter and gives her a better shield then I've seen in five chapters. 

Edited by grynberg, 27 March 2017 - 11:59 AM.

[Roxanne]

there's half a dozen of them depending on what's convenient to the story.

It is not supposed to be "convenient to the story" but just uneven. She can be the silly girl when she's with Imoen and next moment she realises how much responsibility she has as a healer or by being involved with the PC, a person of great significance. She is still searching for *her* way and role in this - which is not easy with her background.

We are talking about the initial chapters in BG1 here - a period where the PC him/herself is not sure about the own role. She is supposed to grow as your character grows and as the main story starts to evolve. You will see her develop over the story the more she finds out about your and her involvement with the bigger scheme of things.

When you and your companions become aware of what is at stake in your adventures, you (and her) are really becoming mature - and a next level is reached when after Sarevok's defeat you both start to get an idea which powers you really will have to face.

Your NPCs - at least those you can take through the whole game - should have some personal development due to the enormous stress and experience they encounter at your side and not just add the same stereotype reactions over and over again.

 

Sandrah makes the game easy..

Some say it is the opposite, I heard it is far too tactical. My own experience is that it largely depends on some other mods you have installed and that make her gain more abilities (I found a mod giving her 4 extra stars for weapons and use of druid items...). Maybe we should compare notes if you post your Weidu.log from your current install.

Edited by Roxanne, 27 March 2017 - 12:29 PM.

[grynberg]

there's half a dozen of them depending on what's convenient to the story.

It is not supposed to be "convenient to the story" but just uneven. She can be the silly girl when she's with Imoen and next moment she realises how much responsibility she has as a healer or by being involved with the PC, a person of great significance. She is still searching for *her* way and role in this - which is not easy with her background.

We are talking about the initial chapters in BG1 here - a period where the PC him/herself is not sure about the own role. She is supposed to grow as your character grows and as the main story starts to evolve. You will see her develop over the story the more she finds out about your and her involvement with the bigger scheme of things.

 

Sandrah makes the game easy..

Some say it is the opposite, I heard it is far too tactical. My own experience is that it largely depends on some other mods you have installed and that make her gain more abilities (I found a mod giving her 4 extra stars for weapons and use of druid items...). Maybe we should compare notes if you post your Weidu.log from your current install.

 

 

I'm using the BWS tactical installation and I didn't do much changes to it. Just solved a few conflicts that BWS asked me to do and left everything else as they were.

[Sam.]

Sam., on 20 Mar 2017 - 23:19, said:
Me: Hey Sandra, there's a whole room full of low level skeletons just up ahead.  How about you try to Turn Undead?
Sandrah: *Blatantly breaks all current actions/commands, equips her melee hammer, and runs headlong into the room.*

 
I added and succesfully tested this condition:
 
IF
    ActionListEmpty()
    See(NearestEnemyOf(Myself))
    Range(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),20)
    !ModalState(TURNUNDEAD)
THEN
    RESPONSE #100
        EquipMostDamagingMelee()
        AttackReevaluate(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),30)
END
 
It makes her far less effective against undead but more docile to the players advice. Not sure whether this is a worthy trade-off?
She is a fighter/cleric - which side is to win here?
 
PS - might be that in a highly modded install (like mine) Turn Undead is not very effective, many undead do not care about this at all.

Looks okay to me. Turn Undead is directly tied to the undead creature's hit dice, so if a mod (or LoB/HoF mode) drastically increases their hit die, then yeah Turn Undead become fairly useless.

On another note, I've run into a wall on one of Sandrah's quests.

Spoiler

It's the one involving the demon scroll where the guy pops up and tells me to go talk to Elminster at the FAI temple. I talk to him then head off to find a cave in the Cloud Peak Mountains. I head to BG5200 and walk up to where a cave should be next to the sign post that reads "Cloud Peak Mountains", but the entrance isn't activated.  I have been to the area before (with Sandrah in the party) and completed the dead cat quest.  The BG5200 variable NarQCav is set to 1, but the PixieHint GLOBAL "Does not exist".  Am I at the right cave, and if so have I missed something?

 

Edit:  I changed the PixieHint GLOBAL to 3 which activated the cave entrance.  Clearly isn't the right cave, but there must still be an issue here.

Cloudpeak Mountains encompass more than one area in the south, it is the whole border to Amn.

Spoiler

The cave here will play a role, but you have to find another waterfall first. In a neighbouting area.

I'm afraid I'm stuck again (literally this time).

Spoiler

I got the fake heart from Alzaligundrel (and then immediately killed him for the real heart).  I gave the fake one to Naronguth and he disappears off to hell leaving Elminster's Shard (and Sandrah) behind.  Now I don't seem to have a way out of CVNAR1.  The Journal Entry I get indicates that Naronguth took the Shard with him (but it appeared on the floor), and that I should talk to Sandrah but she only has flirty things to say.  Trying to rest in this area crashes the game more often than not, and the traps on the floor can't be detected or removed despite the fact that (after looking at the code) I don't see why it isn't possible.  The only other option I've seen is to let Sandrah be dragged off to hell, but that's not something my character would EVER allow to happen.  This latter course of action does kick my party outside of the cave, tho, but Naronguth continues to attack my party during the teleport cutscene which makes it very hard to keep everyone alive while being unable to fight back.

 

[off-topic musing]BTW, Demogorgon the Prince of Demons himself has on the order of 435 hit points (in this game).  That is quite a lot for D&D.  WTF kind of being is Naronguth to have 9155 hit points??  I doubt even Ao The Overgod has that kind of HP...[/end musing]

[Roxanne]

Sam., on 20 Mar 2017 - 23:19, said:
Me: Hey Sandra, there's a whole room full of low level skeletons just up ahead.  How about you try to Turn Undead?
Sandrah: *Blatantly breaks all current actions/commands, equips her melee hammer, and runs headlong into the room.*

 
I added and succesfully tested this condition:
 
IF
    ActionListEmpty()
    See(NearestEnemyOf(Myself))
    Range(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),20)
    !ModalState(TURNUNDEAD)
THEN
    RESPONSE #100
        EquipMostDamagingMelee()
        AttackReevaluate(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),30)
END
 
It makes her far less effective against undead but more docile to the players advice. Not sure whether this is a worthy trade-off?
She is a fighter/cleric - which side is to win here?
 
PS - might be that in a highly modded install (like mine) Turn Undead is not very effective, many undead do not care about this at all.

Looks okay to me. Turn Undead is directly tied to the undead creature's hit dice, so if a mod (or LoB/HoF mode) drastically increases their hit die, then yeah Turn Undead become fairly useless.

On another note, I've run into a wall on one of Sandrah's quests.

Spoiler

It's the one involving the demon scroll where the guy pops up and tells me to go talk to Elminster at the FAI temple. I talk to him then head off to find a cave in the Cloud Peak Mountains. I head to BG5200 and walk up to where a cave should be next to the sign post that reads "Cloud Peak Mountains", but the entrance isn't activated.  I have been to the area before (with Sandrah in the party) and completed the dead cat quest.  The BG5200 variable NarQCav is set to 1, but the PixieHint GLOBAL "Does not exist".  Am I at the right cave, and if so have I missed something?

 

Edit:  I changed the PixieHint GLOBAL to 3 which activated the cave entrance.  Clearly isn't the right cave, but there must still be an issue here.

Cloudpeak Mountains encompass more than one area in the south, it is the whole border to Amn.

Spoiler

The cave here will play a role, but you have to find another waterfall first. In a neighbouting area.

I'm afraid I'm stuck again (literally this time).

Spoiler

I got the fake heart from Alzaligundrel (and then immediately killed him for the real heart).  I gave the fake one to Naronguth and he disappears off to hell leaving Elminster's Shard (and Sandrah) behind.  Now I don't seem to have a way out of CVNAR1.  The Journal Entry I get indicates that Naronguth took the Shard with him (but it appeared on the floor), and that I should talk to Sandrah but she only has flirty things to say.  Trying to rest in this area crashes the game more often than not, and the traps on the floor can't be detected or removed despite the fact that (after looking at the code) I don't see why it isn't possible.  The only other option I've seen is to let Sandrah be dragged off to hell, but that's not something my character would EVER allow to happen.  This latter course of action does kick my party outside of the cave, tho, but Naronguth continues to attack my party during the teleport cutscene which makes it very hard to keep everyone alive while being unable to fight back.

 

[off-topic musing]BTW, Demogorgon the Prince of Demons himself has on the order of 435 hit points (in this game).  That is quite a lot for D&D.  WTF kind of being is Naronguth to have 9155 hit points??  I doubt even Ao The Overgod has that kind of HP...[/end musing]

Spoiler

Did you pick the shard and other loot and talk to Sandrah? She should be able to use the shard (at least in a limited way to get you out of the cave) - unless you have that EET PID bug unsolved?

Global("NarCavOut","GLOBAL",1)

Identify the shard and pick up the magic slippers.

 

Those hitponts are a left over - he was one of my very early enemies and should be unkillable at this point - he re-appears later for revenge if you trick him this time, I just never revised him...

I think you just picked up the items too fast before Sandrah could start her talk - just drop the shard again and see if she talks to you now, then pick it up  and things should evolve further.

Edited by Roxanne, 27 March 2017 - 11:08 PM.

[Kvothe.]

Sandrah is invincible since pretty much the beginning from TOB. No dmg from normal or magic weapons and 100% magic resistance... is this wanted or a bug?

Edited by Kvothe., 30 March 2017 - 10:20 AM.

[Roxanne]

Sandrah invincible since pretty much the beginning from TOB. No dmg from normal or magic weapons and 100% magic resistance... is this wanted or a bug?

It is not wanted by my mod - it is not a bug if it is something that another mod does intentionally.

 

If you have a save of this situation, I can have a look.

[Kvothe.]

Sure

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