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[Samriel]

I hardly ever use tweaks of any kind as I enjoy playing the game as close to the original rules as possible, also to avoid complications when it might become incompatible with a mod.

 

Of course if a mod DEMANDED the installation of such changes/fixes then it is alright but I have not read anything regarding that in neither Sandrah's readme nor the one about the crossmods. Strangely BWS did not show that Sandrah needs any extra stuff to work despite reminding me about others like Ajantis or the Longer Road.

 

And yeah, it was weird for Jen'lig to care about whether the PC is famous or infamous. Why would she care what primes think of him/her?

 

Aside from fixing it for the next release of Sandrah will you attach a small file to fix that? Since I used generalized biffing it would require an uninstall and reinstall of ALL if I recall correctly...

 

To late to add tweaks either it seems.

[Roxanne]

I hardly ever use tweaks of any kind as I enjoy playing the game as close to the original rules as possible, also to avoid complications when it might become incompatible with a mod.

 

Of course if a mod DEMANDED the installation of such changes/fixes then it is alright but I have not read anything regarding that in neither Sandrah's readme nor the one about the crossmods. Strangely BWS did not show that Sandrah needs any extra stuff to work despite reminding me about others like Ajantis or the Longer Road.

 

And yeah, it was weird for Jen'lig to care about whether the PC is famous or infamous. Why would she care what primes think of him/her?

 

Aside from fixing it for the next release of Sandrah will you attach a small file to fix that? Since I used generalized biffing it would require an uninstall and reinstall of ALL if I recall correctly...

 

To late to add tweaks either it seems.

Extract this rar to the game folder and run the exe file, this can be done without any harm on your biffed installation.

If it works as expected (I cannot test it since all my installations have the tweak already) you may get the unhappy comment from the NPC but no leaving. This feature is used by some other NPCs that do not care about reputation as well, so I am confident it will not break anything.

[Samriel]

Got it.

 

Thanks for the help!!

[Roxanne]

Got it.

 

Thanks for the help!!

Please give me a feedback if it works - This would need to become part of the change to allow Sandrah to join Evil PC

[Samriel]

Alrighty so I did again test Jen'lig reaction a few times BEFORE adding this patch(right before I got another reputation gain) and she kept reacting the same way by leaving me.  However, after installing the patch she no longer reacted to said reputation gain. I reloaded like 3 times and unlike before it did not happen.

 

 As for Sandrah:

Spoiler

There is a message that she left by the night when I used the "sleep" command and then I saw the vision of her pleading with Mystra. But she does not actually leave the party this time as after the rest and the vision conclude I see her in my party without having to talk to her again to make her rejoin. I also noticed though that after said dream I gain 9 points in reputation. Is that normal? I did go on  a murder spree so I had 1-2 reputation point/s before that.

 

 

Hmmm, though after traveling for a bit with my reputation going from 1-2 to 11 some party members like Coran, Imoen and Minsc started complaining and left me. Soon after leaving me they talked to me again and I was given the option to make them rejoin and they stopped complaining which they did before with a reputation 11-after Sandrah's vision-.  Its like despite the reputation boost they still regarded me as they did with rep 1-2 before I made them rejoin.

 

No complaining nor leaving from Sandrah herself though.

Edited by Samriel, 07 July 2015 - 09:06 PM.

[Roxanne]

Alrighty so I did again test Jen'lig reaction a few times BEFORE adding this patch(right before I got another reputation gain) and she kept reacting the same way by leaving me.  However, after installing the patch she no longer reacted to said reputation gain. I reloaded like 3 times and unlike before it did not happen.

 

 As for Sandrah:

Spoiler

There is a message that she left by the night when I used the "sleep" command and then I saw the vision of her pleading with Mystra. But she does not actually leave the party this time as after the rest and the vision conclude I see her in my party without having to talk to her again to make her rejoin. I also noticed though that after said dream I gain 9 points in reputation. Is that normal? I did go on  a murder spree so I had 1-2 reputation point/s before that.

 

 

Hmmm, though after traveling for a bit with my reputation going from 1-2 to 11 some party members like Coran, Imoen and Minsc started complaining and left me. Soon after leaving me they talked to me again and I was given the option to make them rejoin and they stopped complaining which they did before with a reputation 11-after Sandrah's vision-.  Its like despite the reputation boost they still regarded me as they did with rep 1-2 before I made them rejoin.

 

No complaining nor leaving from Sandrah herself though.

The patch I provided should only affect Sandrah and Jen'lig and it seems to work. The mod does not effect any other NPCs, so their behaviour is caused by something else or is the vanilla behaviour if you have no tweak installed that deals with NPC reaction to reputation change.

[Roxanne]

Alrighty so I did again test Jen'lig reaction a few times BEFORE adding this patch(right before I got another reputation gain) and she kept reacting the same way by leaving me.  However, after installing the patch she no longer reacted to said reputation gain. I reloaded like 3 times and unlike before it did not happen.

 

 As for Sandrah:

Spoiler

There is a message that she left by the night when I used the "sleep" command and then I saw the vision of her pleading with Mystra. But she does not actually leave the party this time as after the rest and the vision conclude I see her in my party without having to talk to her again to make her rejoin. I also noticed though that after said dream I gain 9 points in reputation. Is that normal? I did go on  a murder spree so I had 1-2 reputation point/s before that.

 

Spoiler

This is the original intended behaviour, which did not fire correctly before the patch was installed.
If your reputation by accident falls low (e.g. by mistakenly killing some innocents with your fireball) the scene you described will happen at the next rest.
She does not leave the party, she just leaves then camp to be on her own and consult her goddes. Mystra grants you and her a second chance then by resetting your rep.
This currently will only happen once in the game. If you repeat your behaviour, Sandrah's reaction next time will be drastic.
I have plans to extend this feature for the next release where Sandrah is allowed to join also an evil PC.

 

Hmmm, though after traveling for a bit with my reputation going from 1-2 to 11 some party members like Coran, Imoen and Minsc started complaining and left me. Soon after leaving me they talked to me again and I was given the option to make them rejoin and they stopped complaining which they did before with a reputation 11-after Sandrah's vision-.  Its like despite the reputation boost they still regarded me as they did with rep 1-2 before I made them rejoin.

 

No complaining nor leaving from Sandrah herself though.

The patch I provided should only affect Sandrah and Jen'lig and it seems to work. The mod does not effect any other NPCs, so their behaviour is caused by something else or is the vanilla behaviour if you have no tweak installed that deals with NPC reaction to reputation change.

[Samriel]

Regarding Sandrah:

Spoiler

Oh, I see. How about adding an option with -very?- high INT/WIS/CHAR stat to talk my way out IF it were to happen a 2nd time-assuming that by "drastic" you mean that Sandrah enters "smashy mode". Just one extra time and with no Mystra help this time-or just to barely rep gain to get out of Sandrah smashy zone-. As do they say 3rd time the charm? Though in this case a potential way to make her snap at 3rd time instead of 2nd. ^^ I think that having such stats high for such possibilities make one think twice while building a warrior type of character since most usually put all stats in STR/DEX/CON. That said, does she give the PC a 2nd chance regardless of how her own relationship with the PC stands or is that only when one got plenty of trust/love levels with her?

 

By the way, is there no way to recruit Jen'lig back somehow? I searched where I found her and she is no longer there. Characters that are thrown out of the group often return to where they were recruited or just wait when one left them but I cannot find Jen'lig and it is a shame if I cannot somehow see her quest to the end. No way to put her back for those that told her to leave the party...or in my case were abandoned by her?

 

Also does she get a role in BG2? After all SoA is where Githyanki get their biggest role in the whole BG Saga.

Edited by Samriel, 08 July 2015 - 01:17 AM.

[Roxanne]

Regarding Sandrah:

Spoiler

Oh, I see. How about adding an option with -very?- high INT/WIS/CHAR stat to talk my way out IF it were to happen a 2nd time-assuming that by "drastic" you mean that Sandrah enters "smashy mode". Just one extra time and with no Mystra help this time-or just to barely rep gain to get out of Sandrah smashy zone-. As do they say 3rd time the charm? Though in this case a potential way to make her snap at 3rd time instead of 2nd. ^^ I think that having such stats high for such possibilities make one think twice while building a warrior type of character since most usually put all stats in STR/DEX/CON. That said, does she give the PC a 2nd chance regardless of how her own relationship with the PC stands or is that only when one got plenty of trust/love levels with her?

Considerations to be taken on board with opening her for evil NPCs as well. I have plans but it is too early to talk about it already.

By the way, is there no way to recruit Jen'lig back somehow? I searched where I found her and she is no longer there. Characters that are thrown out of the group often return to where they were recruited or just wait when one left them but I cannot find Jen'lig and it is a shame if I cannot somehow see her quest to the end. No way to put her back for those that told her to leave the party...or in my case were abandoned by her?

 
Your loosing her how you did due to the missing patch we detected was unexpected. Actually the only way to loose her normally would be to kick her out - or by installing some silly tweak that makes imprisoned/stonedead NPCs automatically leave the party (that mod is incompatible with Sandrah and a lot of other NPC mods that react in this way to be forced out of the party).
In your particular case she acts like she was kicked out and is gone unless you cheat her back into the game again or have still  a save with her.


 

Also does she get a role in BG2? After all SoA is where Githyanki get their biggest role in the whole BG Saga.

Spoiler

Once she found the sword she will leave to return it to her plane.
During her quest in BG1 you will learn about what the end of her mission may mean for her fate.

REAL BAD SPOILER follows
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

She will return in ToB.
- SoA is full of NPCs already, ToB has no thief unless you recall one from fate spirit
- SoA has a joinable mind-flayer already, they will kill each other on sight
- SoA has contents with her race and the illithids, Her own story as continued in ToB would be hard to synchronise with the Underdark encounters.
- There is not a really good and logical way for her to re-appear that soon after she left you at the end of BG1

- The githyanki appearing in SoA are on a mission of their own to find Saemon's stolen blade. They are not truely related to Jen'lig and there would be no further reaction between the two than what is already happening in BG1 when you meet some gith there-  not really worth considering.

Edited by Roxanne, 08 July 2015 - 01:39 AM.

[Samriel]

Ok, time for a few more questions/suggestions...of the romantic kind. So embarrassing...but some things just NEED to be typed^^.

 

1. Is there a way to make Sandrah jealous? I mean given how often she flirts with others it should be fair if the PC could do the same to her right? I know that she is very open minded and does not seem to think much of it when love is not involved...but the tease remains. I tried to engage in romance with other NPCS while with her in the party but she does not seem to mind at all. No fun!!

 

Basically how about introducing the option to at least make the player flirt with other NPCS-even if there is no romance- and make her jealous or at least slightly pouty? I mean...with a very high love score with her she should be somewhat capable of getting jealous even if she does not think of the PC as her property or stuff. Even the most open minded women should be irked at least slightly if she loves someone a LOT and said person flirts with others.

 

Tease her back. Tease her back. Tease her back.

 

Its poetic justice I say.

 

Pleeeeease???

 

2. How about making the PC having an opinion that matters on those romance related things that influence their relationship?

 

Like...the PC could have a stance ranging from "You are flirting/doing naughty with another. That's HOT. Can I watch or join?^^" to "Sorry, but I take our relationship seriously and if you do not take it likewise then we are done".

 

You were saying how you do not see the PC corrupting her to be REAAALLY evil but how about influencing her stance on love/sexual attitude? From some talks with her I kinda alluded that she was of a more innocent sort regarding that but became more liberated/open with time.

 

Basically how about "corrupting" her into being even more liberated OR influencing her into not even noticing other men/girls as romantic/sexual partners besides PC making her really pure love focused? Of course in the 2nd case the PC would have to serve as an example of devotion or he/she would be a hypocrite...though that could lead to interesting situations/consequences too. Hmmm....

 

Maybe potential for some threesome ending and an ending with a fairy tale-like wedding by the end of RtF(or sooner) or something similar?

 

I just love the roleplaying possibilities and potential there^^

 

3. Do the new NPCS for RtF get romance with PC and Sandrah? I kinda recall something like that and if that is the case then do they have romantic AND normal epilogues depending on how their bond with the PC or/and Sandrah builds up?

 

Also I met many of them but I still can't find Shauhana, Giran and Mellicamp. Do they appear in BG1 or should I not bother with finding them yet?

Edited by Samriel, 08 July 2015 - 02:25 AM.

[Roxanne]

Ok, time for a few more questions/suggestions...of the romantic kind. So embarrassing...but some things just NEED to be typed^^.

 

1. Is there a way to make Sandrah jealous? I mean given how often she flirts with others it should be fair if the PC could do the same to her right? I know that she is very open minded and does not seem to think much of it when love is not involved...but the tease remains. I tried to engage in romance with other NPCS while with her in the party but she does not seem to mind at all. No fun!!

Which ones did you try??? I assume you are still in BG1, for most there is some reaction, maybe you are just in the too early stages with that NPC.

 

Basically how about introducing the option to at least make the player flirt with other NPCS-even if there is no romance- and make her jealous or at least slightly pouty? I mean...with a very high love score with her she should be somewhat capable of getting jealous even if she does not think of the PC as her property or stuff. Even the most open minded women should be irked at least slightly if she loves someone a LOT and said person flirts with others.

 

Tease her back. Tease her back. Tease her back.

 

Its poetic justice I say.

 

Pleeeeease???

 

2. How about making the PC having an opinion that matters on those romance related things that influence their relationship?

 

Like...the PC could have a stance ranging from "You are flirting/doing naughty with another. That's HOT. Can I watch or join?^^" to "Sorry, but I take our relationship seriously and if you do not take it likewise then we are done".

 

You were saying how you do not see the PC corrupting her to be REAAALLY evil but how about influencing her stance on love/sexual attitude? From some talks with her I kinda alluded that she was of a more innocent sort regarding that but became more liberated/open with time.

 

Basically how about "corrupting" her into being even more liberated OR influencing her into not even noticing other men/girls as romantic/sexual partners besides PC making her really pure love focused? Of course in the 2nd case the PC would have to serve as an example of devotion or he/she would be a hypocrite...though that could lead to interesting situations/consequences too. Hmmm....

 

Maybe potential for some threesome ending and an ending with a fairy tale-like wedding by the end of RtF(or sooner) or something similar?

 

I just love the roleplaying possibilities and potential there^^

 

3. Do the new NPCS for RtF get romance with PC and Sandrah? I kinda recall something like that and if that is the case then do they have romantic AND normal epilogues depending on how their bond with the PC or/and Sandrah builds up?

 

Also I met many of them but I still can't find Shauhana, Giran and Mellicamp. Do they appear in BG1 or should I not bother with finding them yet?

[Roxanne]

Ok, time for a few more questions/suggestions...of the romantic kind. So embarrassing...but some things just NEED to be typed^^.

 

1. Is there a way to make Sandrah jealous? I mean given how often she flirts with others it should be fair if the PC could do the same to her right? I know that she is very open minded and does not seem to think much of it when love is not involved...but the tease remains. I tried to engage in romance with other NPCS while with her in the party but she does not seem to mind at all. No fun!!

Which ones did you try??? I assume you are still in BG1, for most there is some reaction, maybe you are just in the too early stages with that NPC.

 

Basically how about introducing the option to at least make the player flirt with other NPCS-even if there is no romance- and make her jealous or at least slightly pouty? I mean...with a very high love score with her she should be somewhat capable of getting jealous even if she does not think of the PC as her property or stuff. Even the most open minded women should be irked at least slightly if she loves someone a LOT and said person flirts with others.

 

Tease her back. Tease her back. Tease her back.

 

Its poetic justice I say.

 

Pleeeeease???

 

2. How about making the PC having an opinion that matters on those romance related things that influence their relationship?

 

Like...the PC could have a stance ranging from "You are flirting/doing naughty with another. That's HOT. Can I watch or join?^^" to "Sorry, but I take our relationship seriously and if you do not take it likewise then we are done".

 

You were saying how you do not see the PC corrupting her to be REAAALLY evil but how about influencing her stance on love/sexual attitude? From some talks with her I kinda alluded that she was of a more innocent sort regarding that but became more liberated/open with time.

 

Basically how about "corrupting" her into being even more liberated OR influencing her into not even noticing other men/girls as romantic/sexual partners besides PC making her really pure love focused? Of course in the 2nd case the PC would have to serve as an example of devotion or he/she would be a hypocrite...though that could lead to interesting situations/consequences too. Hmmm....

 

Maybe potential for some threesome ending and an ending with a fairy tale-like wedding by the end of RtF(or sooner) or something similar?

 

I just love the roleplaying possibilities and potential there^^

For all in number 2 I can only say, keep on playing and you will see.

Spoiler

If you want some more adult stuff to happen, get Shar-Teel or Viconia along with her. If you are female try her with Coran.

I tried to make her type of reaction match to the respective NPC, there is no standard pattern.

3. Do the new NPCS for RtF get romance with PC and Sandrah? I kinda recall something like that and if that is the case then do they have romantic AND normal epilogues depending on how their bond with the PC or/and Sandrah builds up?

Spoiler

The best party in RtF will be you and Sandrah and the new cast.
Some will interact with you, some with her, some among themselves, some have various options.

Also I met many of them but I still can't find Shauhana, Giran and Mellicamp. Do they appear in BG1 or should I not bother with finding them yet?

Spoiler

Shauhana herself will only be in SoA, you will get previews however during Baldur's Gate town episodes and if you do NTOSC Ghotal quests.
Melicamp has his own plots in BG1 + 2, he will become joinable only in RtF
Giran is a child still and running errands in BG1, you will meet him several times. He reappears in the Shauhana Quest. He will become joinable only when he is grown up in RtF.

Edited by Roxanne, 08 July 2015 - 02:53 AM.

[Samriel]

Alrighty I will give it a try. I enjoy savoring it all slowly so I kinda advanced the game at a snail's pace. I hardly rush through games that I like...

 

Mostly I used Dynaheir and Branwen but admittedly I did not get THAT far. Though fairly past courtly love part....

 

But really, you should add AS MANY opportunities to make her jealous/tease her back as possible both as male and female PCs. It would be sweeter than kittens on the internet I'd say. Damn right!

 

And a threesome(malePC/Sandrah/female NPC, malePCSandrah/male NPC, femalePC, Sandrah/maleNPC, femalePC/Sandrah/femalePC...) ending would be rather interesting I'd say. As would be an optional super romantic one with wedding, flowers, true love kiss and stuff. Including the influencing Sandrah stance on love/sex part ^^. Its nice to give the PC some actual influence power ^^

 

I think those contradictions and striking difference in possibilities both for a different conclusions AND character development would add PLENTY of replayability and make the player curious to try different stuff next time.

 

That male PCs and female PCs do get different reactions and stuff is already a very promising start. I love how the gender difference affects more than in vanilla BG2 when the difference was just Anomen the jerk or Jaheira/Aerie/Viconia. Though Anomem could get some character develpment AND alignment change in SoA already....

 

I really love games/mods with so much content and replayability potential. ^^

[Roxanne]

Alrighty I will give it a try. I enjoy savoring it all slowly so I kinda advanced the game at a snail's pace. I hardly rush through games that I like...

 

Mostly I used Dynaheir and Branwen but admittedly I did not get THAT far. Though fairly past courtly love part....

Both have a lot of interactions with Sandrah and both will trigger a different reaction from Sandrah when your romance advances with them.

But really, you should add AS MANY opportunities to make her jealous/tease her back as possible both as male and female PCs. It would be sweeter than kittens on the internet I'd say. Damn right!

As I treat each relationship as unique and Sandrah's reactions are specific to this NPC and whether you are male/female PC, this is only applied to those NPC that have interested me. In BG1 those are at least all of those any PC can start a romance with. For BG2 I am sure to have missed some, but not many. For ToB I cover all that come new in that part of the game.

And a threesome(malePC/Sandrah/female NPC, malePCSandrah/male NPC, femalePC, Sandrah/maleNPC, femalePC/Sandrah/femalePC...) ending would be rather interesting I'd say. As would be an optional super romantic one with wedding, flowers, true love kiss and stuff. Including the influencing Sandrah stance on love/sex part ^^. Its nice to give the PC some actual influence power ^^

Spoiler

There are a few weddings in the game and Sandrah plays her role if you marry any NPC.

There will be no formal marriage between you and her but a quite different bond when you reach RtF.

I think those contradictions and striking difference in possibilities both for a different conclusions AND character development would add PLENTY of replayability and make the player curious to try different stuff next time.

I am sure Sandrah provides for that. You can do a male and a female path already, the next version will give you a good/neutral and an evil/neutral path. She interacts with more NPCs in all parts of the game than you can take into party in one playthrough even when changing comrads often. The path for her own plots can be taken in many different ways and taking different solutions.

Unless you fundamentally dislike her, she offers all you need for another round.

That male PCs and female PCs do get different reactions and stuff is already a very promising start. I love how the gender difference affects more than in vanilla BG2 when the difference was just Anomen the jerk or Jaheira/Aerie/Viconia. Though Anomem could get some character develpment AND alignment change in SoA already....

 

I really love games/mods with so much content and replayability potential. ^^

The current mod has already more than you can find with one play through the whole game. I am always on the lookout for interesting new mods that I want to try myself, and consequently there will be crossmod contents added.

With RtF, this is a bit like SoA before modding started. With all the new towns/areas/cast it opens the possibility to add mods into this part for all those who find Amn already overcrowded.

[Samriel]

Wellllll:

Spoiler

I started a romance with Shar Teel now to try my chances(I got a Lawful Neutral monk so I can romance most) to tease Sandrah. It looks though that the "rival" is not seen by Sandrah as much of a threat especially since it mostly involves sex and not love. Unless things get mushy by the end(this is the first time I romance Shar Teel btw) I doubt I will make Sandrah sweat a single drop out of worry. Guess I will see. Tease aside, I really like the interactions between Sandrah and Shar Teel as the former seemed to add more depth to her. Sandrah really is the psychologist of the team. She really sepcializes in healing not just bodies but hearts too...which makes her all that harder to shake her confidence and make her jealous I think *sight* Still holding fingers for that though *evil laugh*

 

I was thinking before about maybe adding some randomly triggered conversations with not necessarily romanced party members during which some flirting could ensue to make Sandrah angry. Hmmm

 

Errrr *clears throat*  Romance pleading questions aside I've got some of a different sort this time ^^

 

1. Is there a purpose later in the game for the sword "Gift of Mystra" that the PC gains early in the game? As you noticed during one previous bug I just cannot help it but collect all sort of stuff including keeping some plot items after they seemingly expired when it comes to usefulness. Still, such a weapon given by the main heroine of the mod as seemingly a big gift(as the name implies) shouldn't be just a weapon that is rather useful early on. The potential for such a weapon to become some super weapon and/or turn out to be VERY helpful later plot-wise(maybe optionally at least for players that choose to keep it) would be a nice touch IMO. So I"l just ask...was keeping it a good idea and said weapon plays a bigger role later(or just can evolve into some crazy strong weapon) or there is no much to it actually? As spoiler free answer as possible^^

 

2. You mentioned by the end of your post how you are in the lookout for new mods to try. That reminded me how you included Yasraena which means that either you are the one who created this mod or you got permission from the actual maker. Do you have already some plans for a particular NPC mod to be included in the future? I always kinda wondered how other mod makers react to including their NPCs in other mods. Hope you get a positive response when asking any of them as Sandrah would certainly nicely expand on those NPCs too.

 

3. Are there any NPCs besides Jen'lig(and Sandrah obviously) in BG1 that you made and are recruitable? Do you have any plans or ideas of adding some in the future potentially?

 

IMO it should be best to first polish Sandrah as much as possible by adding any and all possible options to enrich the experience. That said once Sandrah reaches a level where she was polished enough it certainly would be nice to see another NPC introduced by yourself that could perhaps stick through most of the saga like Sandrah herself. Granted said NPC would be nowhere as polished since undoubtedly doing so with Sandrah required an colossal effort but even a fragment of that would still be impressive I think.

 

Maybe to add to replayability it should be a male NPC for a female PC and a female NPC for a male PC? Just a suggestion there. ^^

 

4. Speaking of other NPC mods, did you hear anything about if Breagar will be included in the next release of BWS? I cannot find him there no matter how hard I look. Granted I cannot install him now anyway now that I biffed the game but it would be a nice choice for future playthroughs as the readme seems to hint at there being rather plenty of content with him. Hmmm...

Edited by Samriel, 08 July 2015 - 09:57 AM.

[Roxanne]

Spoiler

I started a romance with Shar Teel now to try my chances(I got a Lawful Neutral monk so I can romance most) to tease Sandrah. It looks though that the "rival" is not seen by Sandrah as much of a threat especially since it mostly involves sex and not love. Unless things get mushy by the end(this is the first time I romance Shar Teel btw) I doubt I will make Sandrah sweat a single drop out of worry. Guess I will see. Tease aside, I really like the interactions between Sandrah and Shar Teel as the former seemed to add more depth to her. Sandrah really is the psychologist of the team. She really sepcializes in healing not just bodies but hearts too...which makes her all that harder to shake her confidence and make her jealous I think *sight* Still holding fingers for that though *evil laugh*

Always expect the unexpected, is all I say.

 

I was thinking before about maybe adding some randomly triggered conversations with not necessarily romanced party members during which some flirting could ensue to make Sandrah angry. Hmmm

As Sandrah herselft does that all the time (Bjornim, Thundersmitty, Scar etc, etc) this does not make her jealous. She will simply ask you how you can bring your new experience to her bedroll.

 

Errrr *clears throat*  Romance pleading questions aside I've got some of a different sort this time ^^

 

1. Is there a purpose later in the game for the sword "Gift of Mystra" that the PC gains early in the game? As you noticed during one previous bug I just cannot help it but collect all sort of stuff including keeping some plot items after they seemingly expired when it comes to usefulness. Still, such a weapon given by the main heroine of the mod as seemingly a big gift(as the name implies) shouldn't be just a weapon that is rather useful early on. The potential for such a weapon to become some super weapon and/or turn out to be VERY helpful later plot-wise(maybe optionally at least for players that choose to keep it) would be a nice touch IMO. So I"l just ask...was keeping it a good idea and said weapon plays a bigger role later(or just can evolve into some crazy strong weapon) or there is no much to it actually? As spoiler free answer as possible^^

No, apart from the meeting scene and dialogue it is just a weapon you may find useful or not. The benefit is that it is useable by anyone in your party.

Spoiler

Gorion's dagger is different, you should keep it.

2. You mentioned by the end of your post how you are in the lookout for new mods to try. That reminded me how you included Yasraena which means that either you are the one who created this mod or you got permission from the actual maker. Do you have already some plans for a particular NPC mod to be included in the future? I always kinda wondered how other mod makers react to including their NPCs in other mods. Hope you get a positive response when asking any of them as Sandrah would certainly nicely expand on those NPCs too.

Sandrah is still a test mod and no *official* release. I have published the crossmod list in the forum that tells which mods I have taken into account. Currently this crossmod context has to be understood as *proposed*. Considering another NPC for this is my expression of respect for the modmaker and a compliment that I like his/her mod and I try to give the pleasure I have received back with my contribution. If the modmaker does not like it, I will remove it, but I first like them to see what I propose.

3. Are there any NPCs besides Jen'lig(and Sandrah obviously) in BG1 that you made and are recruitable? Do you have any plans or ideas of adding some in the future potentially?

No and no.

IMO it should be best to first polish Sandrah as much as possible by adding any and all possible options to enrich the experience. That said once Sandrah reaches a level where she was polished enough it certainly would be nice to see another NPC introduced by yourself that could perhaps stick through most of the saga like Sandrah herself. Granted said NPC would be nowhere as polished since undoubtedly doing so with Sandrah required an colossal effort but even a fragment of that would still be impressive I think.

There comes a time where one modmaker hijacks the whole game, not a nice idea. The reason why such an old computer game attracts still thousands of players around the globe is the variety and the difference in viewpoints expressed. I like the Drizzt saga and incorporated it in my mod but I never fill my party with all of Drizzt's companions.

Maybe to add to replayability it should be a male NPC for a female PC and a female NPC for a male PC? Just a suggestion there. ^^

 

4. Speaking of other NPC mods, did you hear anything about if Breagar will be included in the next release of BWS? I cannot find him there no matter how hard I look. Granted I cannot install him now anyway now that I biffed the game but it would be a nice choice for future playthroughs as the readme seems to hint at there being rather plenty of content with him. Hmmm...

I found him and installed him by expanding the language options in BWS but he is still only in german while the AC_Quest mod from the same author is available in english as well. I think I mixed that in some recent post. Thus, should you install him, the only dialogues in english at this time are his banters with Sandrah.

[Samriel]

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As Sandrah herselft does that all the time (Bjornim, Thundersmitty, Scar etc, etc) this does not make her jealous. She will simply ask you how you can bring your new experience to her bedroll

 

So then:

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I sorta feared that. My biggest hope in Aerie then in BG2 as the PC supports her emotionally and things get the mushiest out of all the romances I remember. But really those flirts could be like "Don't fear I won't let anything bad happen to you" or "I will be always there for you" types of flirts. Sexin' other heroines won't get things "interesting"-and cause Sandrah to get annoyed and lose some confidence- until emotional attachment comes into play. Though I will hold hope on what you said there about expecting the unexpected^^

 

Also it would be GREAT to have a chance to say "Hiiiii guyz^^" while she flirts with someone else would introduce some sweet awkwardness at least for Sandrah's "victim" LOL. Basically interfering in her own flirts if the PC feels like doing so.

 

That said speaking of plot relevant weapons do you plan to(or is there one already) add one to make some sort of effect on the plot? Like being necessary to unlock greater potential for the PC/destroy a seemingly indestructible baddie/hold some sort of interesting story like the broken sword that one can get early in Icewind Dale/A romance gift from Sandrah or other romanceable NPC/???

 

I care mostly about characters, plot, having many options/opportunities to affect both and general roleplaying possibilities but the chance of getting even just one super legendary and personal weapon for the PC sounds tempting.

 

Also...does the player got some way to keep items from BG1 while going into BG2 while using this mod? Normally one gets everything taken away for good once BG2 starts as far as I recall.

Edited by Samriel, 08 July 2015 - 11:09 AM.

[Bill Bisco]

The current mod has already more than you can find with one play through the whole game. I am always on the lookout for interesting new mods that I want to try myself, and consequently there will be crossmod contents added.

With RtF, this is a bit like SoA before modding started. With all the new towns/areas/cast it opens the possibility to add mods into this part for all those who find Amn already overcrowded.

 

I agree with you that that brings potential.  The problem is that your RTF mod requires Sandrah.  If it was more independent of Sandrah (Didn't require the Sandrah mod (and had it's own direct start button like ToB), it would have more potential and join the league of TDD, CTB, ROT, NEJ, and so forth.

[Roxanne]

The current mod has already more than you can find with one play through the whole game. I am always on the lookout for interesting new mods that I want to try myself, and consequently there will be crossmod contents added.

With RtF, this is a bit like SoA before modding started. With all the new towns/areas/cast it opens the possibility to add mods into this part for all those who find Amn already overcrowded.

 

I agree with you that that brings potential.  The problem is that your RTF mod requires Sandrah.  If it was more independent of Sandrah (Didn't require the Sandrah mod (and had it's own direct start button like ToB), it would have more potential and join the league of TDD, CTB, ROT, NEJ, and so forth.

For good reason It is *Sandrah - Return to Faerun*.

The mod is a sequel to HER story, not a sequel to BGT. It is not an option to visit old and new areas and find new quests (well, this is there as well), it is foremost an epic quest that is triggered by the roles and duties the PC and Sandrah have chosen at the ToB end.

Her role in RtF is so closely tied to the PC's that both have to stay alive and together through RtF. It is the common enemies you have made in the past you fight and the final goal you achieve is probably more Sandrah's goal than even your own.

So, anyone who wants the sequel needs to drag this boring NPC through the whole game - who said that Sandrah could not be outright sinister?

[Samriel]

I think Bisco meant that he wishes that he could start RtF right away to enjoy the adventure from the start rather than him disliking her.

 

While I think Sandrah is "evil" in a way for it being so hard to make her lose her composure I do not find the character boring at all myself.

Neither she seems to be a copy of other NPCs from BG1/BG2 or any mods that I recall which makes her rather original too and I enjoy that.

 

*Hoping that it becomes available to being able to interrupt her own flirts with my PC for the sheer awkwardness of it hehe*