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[soeucoisa]

Correct Title (I'm an idiot): "I'm adjusting a Bladesinger kit for myself and need some help implementing and balancing it"

 

I'm going to start a **BIG** BWP play, from candlekeep to throne, and decided to use an Elf bladesinger that is as faithful as possible to the 2e version (as found in the Complete Book of Elves). I would appreciate some feedback in my ideas on how to implement things and any help you guys can give with my questions.

 

I'm editing the Kit using DLTCEP, Near Infinity and Shadow Keeper.

 

After installing a lot of kits, I found the Bladesinger in the Turambar Fixes to be the best starting point, since it has the Bard as its base class.

 

My WeiDU.log is attached.

 

Now, to the description of the 2e PnP Bladesinger/Bladesong advantages and how I plan to "implement" them:

 

* Since the base kit is based on the Bard class, I'm editing PROFS.2DA and PROFMAX.2da to give the Kit the same amount of proficiency points as a fighter/mager, but reducing the initial points by 2, to simulate the points put in the Bladesong style;

 

* I'm using The Bigg Tweaks to give the extra attacks per round to all classes that can be specialized in a weapon;

 

* Bard spell proggresion;

 

* Bonus to HP on each level to pair the Bard HP progression with the one of a Fighter/Mage;

 

* Can't sing Bard songs or pick pockets;

 

* Can't put any proficiency slots in any weapon or style besides Long Sword and Single Weapon Style;

 

* +1 to attack rolls and +1 for damage (flat bonus at lvl 1);

 

* Can only wear Leather, Studded Leather and Elven Chain armor;

 

* Immune to the attack penalties from Blindness;

 

* -5 to attack rolls, -5 to damage, 50% reduction do ApR, 50% Spellcasting Failure when attacking an Elf;

 

* 13 Strength and Constitution, as well as a 15 Dexterity and Intelligence requirements at creation;

 

* +2 to dexterity and -2 to Strength and Constitution;

 

* No bonus To Hit or Damage from STR, but gets bonus to Hit from DEX. I have no idea on how to implement this, so any help is welcome;

 

* I plan to implement the Bladesong using innate "stances" that are mutually exclusive and can be switched freely (1 round to switch):

 

 * Defensive Bladesong: -2 to Base AC;

 

 * Precision Bladesong: +2 to Hit;

 

 * Parry and Attack Bladesong: Disables Spellcasting. Penalty to Melee Thac0 to any enemy that is attacking and being attacked by the bladesinger. The penalty is equal to Bladesinger's lvl/2 + 1. Reduces the Apr of the Bladesinger by 1 while the stance is active. I'M HAVING A LOT OF TROUBLE with this one, since reducing the ApR by 1 makes the Base CRE Apr equal to 0, and that makes any bonus attacks disappear. Any ideia on how to make this work, or even a workaround, would be VERY appreciated.

 

 * Disarm Stance: Disables Spellcasting. +1 to initiative and 4 penalty to Bladesinger's melee thac0. Disarms an opponent on a successful hit. If the Bladesinger gets hit by the target, the disarm effect is disabled for 1 round;

 

 * Battlecasting Stance: Disables attacks. +2 to spellcasting time. Gives the bladesinger a bonus to AC against slashing, crushing and piercing equal to his level/2 + 1;

 

That's it. Any suggestions on how to best implement all those things or feedback on balance are welcome.

Edited by soeucoisa, 07 April 2014 - 04:34 PM.

[The Imp]

1 * No bonus To Hit or Damage from STR, but gets bonus to Hit from DEX. I have no idea on how to implement this, so any help is welcome;
 
2 * Can only wear Leather, Studded Leather and Elven Chain armor;

1) Well you seriously can't... well you can make the weapon she will be using a launcher, but then she'll take +4 luck roll on any enemy melee attack made against her. Meaning your AC is a +4 higher, and you take +4 damage from each attack.
 
2) Well that can't be done... as your get the chains and something else from being bard...

* Parry and Attack Bladesong: Disables Spellcasting. Penalty to Melee Thac0 to any enemy that is attacking and being attacked by the bladesinger. The penalty is equal to Bladesinger's lvl/2 + 1. Reduces the Apr of the Bladesinger by 1 while the stance is active. I'M HAVING A LOT OF TROUBLE with this one, since reducing the ApR by 1 makes the Base CRE Apr equal to 0, and that makes any bonus attacks disappear. Any ideia on how to make this work, or even a workaround, would be VERY appreciated.

Are you using the Opcode 1, with Type = 1, as you probably just need to use the Type 0 ... and value -1.

Edited by The Imp, 07 April 2014 - 02:46 PM.

[soeucoisa]

1) Well you seriously can't... well you can make the weapon she will be using a launcher, but then she'll take +4 luck roll on any enemy melee attack made against her. Meaning your AC is a +4 higher, and you take +4 damage from each attack.

Ah, that's too bad. I hoped there could be a Weapon Finesse mod somewhere 

 

 

2) Well that can't be done... as your get the chains and something else from being bard...

Yeah... You're right. Tried using the Unusable code from Stalker, but then I couldn't equip elven chain.

 

 

Are you using the Opcode 1, with Type = 1, as you probably just need to use the Type 0 ... and value -1.

That's the thing: If I use Opcode 1 with type 0 and value -6 (0.5 ApR) I get correct results: every ApR, from proficiency to grandmastery, has 0.5 attack less. But when I use value -1, the ApR stays at 0 across the board, instead of subtracting 1 ApR from the bonus attacks provided by specialist or grand mastery. Is there a way to do this correctly or the Attacks per Round will always stay at 0 if you subtract 1 full ApR?

Edited by soeucoisa, 07 April 2014 - 03:40 PM.

[The Imp]

That's the thing: If I use Opcode 1 with type 0 and value -6 (0.5 ApR) I get correct results: every ApR, from proficiency to grandmastery, has 0.5 attack less. But when I use value -1, the ApR stays at 0 across the board, instead of subtracting 1 ApR from the bonus attacks provided by specialist or grand mastery. Is there a way to do this correctly or the Attacks per Round will always stay at 0 if you subtract 1 full ApR?

Hah, you know, the Bards are not subject to the Weapon proficiency sub bonuses that give Warriors extra ApR's, Warriors being the Barbarian, Fighters, Paladins, Rangers and their kits.

It's a BGMain.exe law in the game, which needs the ToBEx to be installed to adjust. Or BGEE game with the kit additional rules in the install file.

[soeucoisa]

Hah, you know, the Bards are not subject to the Weapon proficiency sub bonuses that give Warriors extra ApR's, Warriors being the Barbarian, Fighters, Paladins, Rangers and their kits.

It's a BGMain.exe law in the game, which needs the ToBEx to be installed to adjust. Or BGEE game with the kit additional rules in the install file.

I know, so what I'm looking for is a way make the ApR penalty be applied AFTER the weapon bonuses and, ideally, not to the base ApR but to the final, modified ApR with proficiency and level bonuses. What happens now is that, even a specialized warrior that is under LvL 7 (so, no lvl7 0.5 ApR bonus, but with 0.5 ApR bonus from specialization) will have his total Attacks per Round reduced to zero with Opcode -1, instead of the expected 0.5 (1 base + 1/2 from spec - 1 modifier). Is there a way to make this happen?

 

In any case, now that I'm rethinking it, it would be kind of "unfair" to apply the penalty for the full round, since that would mean that a Bladesinger with 1 ApR would be "parrying" all the attacks of an enemy, even if that enemy has more than 1 ApR. I haven't played PnP D&D, but I suppose that, regardless of Bladesong, the character can only parry the attacks from one attacker at a time and still has to use one of his attacks to perform the maneuver? The bladesong difference being the fact that you can parry and attack in the same round provided you have more than 1 ApR to do so.

 

Do you have any suggestions on how to better implement this, while still keeping the idea of a "combat stance"?