Today's inexplicable weirdness: I finally installed the Steam version of BGEE. It has a completely different UI from the GoG version, much more like the pre-2.x version (in fact I'm not sure if its even changed since 1.3, but it says v.2.3.67.3). Unfortunately it also throws even more errors during a BWS installation than the GoG version does :/ Its been a good while since I uploaded my giant pile of errors so I figured I might as well try a whole new install from a different source. I think I might have forgotten to run MODMERGE on this install (which I assume is still needed for GoG and Steam versions) so I don't know if that would have contributed to any errors. I should mention that all of the errors I'm seeing with my GoG install of BGEE are also present in the Steam copy. One that I know is my own fault is the failure of the golem building mod (name escapes me) because I don't have the Steam BG2EE. Is it possible to use the GoG BG2EE with the Steam BGEE in order to fix this, and if so how? Thanks, folks.
I think I might have forgotten to run MODMERGE on this install (which I assume is still needed for GoG and Steam versions) so I don't know if that would have contributed to any errors.
You need modmerge for sure
it says v.2.3.67.3
This is the up-to-date version. (And your BG2EE needs to be 2.3.xxxxx as well, if you want EET).
Someone more knowledgeable than me could more accurately assist you, but I can offer some general advice.
Rather than running bgee from program files (not recommended), set up a nice and easy base to start from. For instance D:\Games with D:\Games\BGEE, etc.
Then perhaps wipe your current bgee install, download it freshly through steam (ensuring no mods etc). Copy the game to d:\games\bgee, delete the steam related .dll file, run modmerge if you have SoD, test the game works (make a temp character and quit in candlekeep, test SoD works too). Now use 7-zip to create a .7z (with 'store' compression) of your clean game (e.g., bg-sod.7z).
You could do the same for bg2ee and also make a D:\Games\BWS folder for your various BWS stuff.
The above is similar to how I have things set up and means I can quickly scrap installs, quickly test BWS, etc, without redownloading the game each time or worrying about which distribution platform the games came from.
Someone more knowledgeable than me could more accurately assist you, but I can offer some general advice.
Rather than running bgee from program files (not recommended), set up a nice and easy base to start from. For instance D:\Games with D:\Games\BGEE, etc.
Then perhaps wipe your current bgee install, download it freshly through steam (ensuring no mods etc). Copy the game to d:\games\bgee, delete the steam related .dll file, run modmerge if you have SoD, test the game works (make a temp character and quit in candlekeep, test SoD works too). Now use 7-zip to create a .7z (with 'store' compression) of your clean game (e.g., bg-sod.7z).
You could do the same for bg2ee and also make a D:\Games\BWS folder for your various BWS stuff.
The above is similar to how I have things set up and means I can quickly scrap installs, quickly test BWS, etc, without redownloading the game each time or worrying about which distribution platform the games came from.
BWS has a built-in backup and restore feature for the games it supports. Also, deleting Steam-specific files really doesn't make any difference. The real issue is that the Steam version of BGEE actually has some changes to the file tree, just like the GoG version does. That's why MODMERGE is necessary. The only real mystery to me is why the UIs are different on the Steam and GoG editions - well, that and the extra errors the Steam version has, which could be partly my fault. Right now I'm just really hoping the bugs that I'm seeing in both can be addressed. Some of them are clearly inherent to certain mods or perhaps just the BWS implementations of those mods.
Anyone knows when IWD EE and IWD2 will be included in newest BWS?
When ever it's ready... first, it needs to be released. Then tested, and checked that it works with say 5+ mods in BWS and then ... then it maybe be added.
At least I would expect that to be the case here... as you can try to fart without air pressure(in space)... but it wouldn't matter either way as you could not hear the sound as there's no air pressure.
Yep, Jarno Mikkola. my Mega Mod FAQ. Use of the BWS, and how to use it(scroll down that post a bit).
OK, desert dweller, welcome to the sanity, you are free to search for the limit, it's out there, we drew it in the sand. Ouh, actually it was still snow then.. but anyways.
psycros - Siege of Dragonspear replaces BGEE's original UI. From GoG, SoD is a separate download and installer. I don't know if Steam has a combined BGEE+SoD installer. If not, perhaps you forgot to install SoD in either your GoG or your Steam folder? In any case, comparing BGEE-without-SoD vs. BGEE+SoD, you will see a different UI. As others have said, running modmerge (only if you install SoD, and obviously after you install SoD) is essential before doing any other modding, with or without BWS.
BiG World Fixpack (community collection of mod fixes and compatibility patches, with user-friendly cross-platform script)
BiG World Setup (tool to automate best-practice installation of Infinity Engine mods on Windows, with conflict analysis)
I'm trying to do a "Tactical" Installation and I'm also getting this message
WARNING: file "setup-NTotSCv171.tp2" does not exist (this is the file targeted for patching in "SETUP-NTOTSCV171.TP2.PATCH" in "Big World Fixpack/NTotSCv171").
I've verified that the file is present inside C:\BigWorldSetup-bigworldsetup-88b86733c4d3\BiG World Downloads\NTotSCEET-Interim-master.zip\NTotSCEET-Interim-master\NTotSCv171 so I don't know why it's posting this.
The "Interim" NTotSC package used by BWS for EE installs does not contain the file targeted for patching by the Big World Fixpack. The patch is unnecessary for EE installs and it is irrelevant whether you answer yes or no, because answering yes will have no effect. The fact that it is prompting about that patch is a bug in BWS, but ... for the reasons above ... Harmless.
BiG World Fixpack (community collection of mod fixes and compatibility patches, with user-friendly cross-platform script)
BiG World Setup (tool to automate best-practice installation of Infinity Engine mods on Windows, with conflict analysis)
The "Interim" NTotSC package used by BWS for EE installs does not contain the file targeted for patching by the Big World Fixpack. The patch is unnecessary for EE installs and it is irrelevant whether you answer yes or no, because answering yes will have no effect. The fact that it is prompting about that patch is a bug in BWS, but ... for the reasons above ... Harmless.
If I try to install anything more than the "Recommended" preset the installation ultimately fails due to it suffering from "Out of Memory". It seems to consistantly fail at this stage during the installation of EET:
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Patching EET/TEMP/PATCH/DLG/SHARTJ.D: StateCheck - imoen => IMOEN2 - dv
ERROR: [EET/TEMP/PATCH/DLG/SHARTJ.D] -> [EET/TEMP/PATCH/DLG] Patching Failed (COPY) (Out of memory)
Stopping installation because of error.
Stopping installation because of error.
ERROR Installing [Core EET (game importation)], rolling back to previous state
Will uninstall 2782 files for [EET_CORE.TP2] component 0.
Uninstalled 2782 files for [EET_CORE.TP2] component 0.
ERROR: error loading [.\chitin.key]
Error Uninstalling [EET_CORE.TP2] component 0:
Out of memory
ERROR: Out of memory
PLEASE email the file SETUP-EET_CORE.DEBUG to K4thos (swit)
Automatically Skipping [Core EET (game importation)] because of error.
Using Language [English]
[.\lang\en_us\dialog.tlk] created, 317519 string entries
NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Core EET (game importation)
Can you open the file in the folder and look at it's size ? (meaning of course the EET/TEMP/PATCH/DLG/SHARTJ.D -file)
Yep, Jarno Mikkola. my Mega Mod FAQ. Use of the BWS, and how to use it(scroll down that post a bit).
OK, desert dweller, welcome to the sanity, you are free to search for the limit, it's out there, we drew it in the sand. Ouh, actually it was still snow then.. but anyways.
I believe this is computer memory issue. I have noticed huge spikes in memory usage during my latest EET install(a while ago now). How much RAM do you have? Is your system 32 or 64 bits? ( I believe this impact the maximum memory a program can hold though it shouldn't be a problem here) Were you doing something else while installing EET?
I believe this is computer memory issue. I have noticed huge spikes in memory usage during my latest EET install(a while ago now). How much RAM do you have? Is your system 32 or 64 bits? ( I believe this impact the maximum memory a program can hold though it shouldn't be a problem here) Were you doing something else while installing EET?
Windows 10 64 bit
16GB RAM
The only other thing I was doing was watching Youtube videos.
psycros - Siege of Dragonspear replaces BGEE's original UI. From GoG, SoD is a separate download and installer. I don't know if Steam has a combined BGEE+SoD installer. If not, perhaps you forgot to install SoD in either your GoG or your Steam folder? In any case, comparing BGEE-without-SoD vs. BGEE+SoD, you will see a different UI. As others have said, running modmerge (only if you install SoD, and obviously after you install SoD) is essential before doing any other modding, with or without BWS.
Hmmm. I'm thinking I forgot about SoD when I reinstalled the GoG copy of BGEE a while back. But if that's the case then I shouldn't be seeing the ugly black and red menus, right? OOOH I bet I know - I probably forgot to make a new backup in BWS after that and then restored it at some point. Duh.
I've done quite a number of EET test installs through BWS and yes never had the recommended preset install as-is without modifying it. Fairly decent computer (win10 pro x64/ 32gb ram/ bws + games on 1tb 850 evo), with windows defender real time protection temporarily off (not sure if this is involved but it does add noticable cpu usage) and the computer otherwise idle during install.
Perhaps we could temporarily alter the recommended preset to get an easier to install EET until the core issue is resolved?
Taking the recommended preset and deselecting bgqe and bg1ub components 19+20 seem enough for me to install EET just fine. I'm a bit cautious of mods installed during bg1ee especially if they add/ modify dialog involving the bg1 npc's, as the error often involves them. Could probably be more precise but it's a bit tedious to repeat the test installs.
I did an install just now with the above selection and it installed OK. Maybe someone else can do the same test install and see how they go.
PS, as a comparison, SHARTJ.D is 299 KB in this install.
I've done quite a number of EET test installs through BWS and yes never had the recommended preset install as-is without modifying it. Fairly decent computer (win10 pro x64/ 32gb ram/ bws + games on 1tb 850 evo), with windows defender real time protection temporarily off (not sure if this is involved but it does add noticable cpu usage) and the computer otherwise idle during install.
Perhaps we could temporarily alter the recommended preset to get an easier to install EET until the core issue is resolved?
Taking the recommended preset and deselecting bgqe and bg1ub components 19+20 seem enough for me to install EET just fine. I'm a bit cautious of mods installed during bg1ee especially if they add/ modify dialog involving the bg1 npc's, as the error often involves them. Could probably be more precise but it's a bit tedious to repeat the test installs.
I did an install just now with the above selection and it installed OK. Maybe someone else can do the same test install and see how they go.
PS, as a comparison, SHARTJ.D is 299 KB in this install.
The Recommended preset works just fine for me, it's anything more than that where it starts to break down. The Shartj.D file is 324kb for the unaltered Reccomended preset.
Edit:
I just downloaded the latest version of BWS (the one where you removed the error message about NTotSC) and tried out a Tactical installation, however when it got to running the batch command for the BG2EE section it threw this error:
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Can't locate the directory 'BiG_World_Fixpack\_messages'. Make sure the Fixpack folder resides in the current directory. The latest WeiDU (from www.weidu.org/~thebigg) is also required.
other languages.....
Press any key to continue
after pressing a key I get this:
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Missing Required 'BiG World Fixpack' Folder Stopping installation because of error. Stopping installation because of error. Stopping installation because of error.
ERROR Installing [Apply Patches To Unpacked Mod Folders In Current Directory], rolling back to previous state Will uninstall 0 files for [_ApplyPatches.tp2] component 0. Uninstalled 0 files for [_ApplyPatches.tp2] component 0. ERROR: Failure("Missing Required 'BiG World Fixpack' Folder") PLEASE email the file _ApplyPatches.debug to agb1 on shsforums.net, gibberlings3.net or forums.beamdog.com
NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Apply Patches To Unpacked Mod Folders In Current Directory 1 dir(s) moved.
C:\Games\Steam\steamapps\common\Baldur's Gate II Enhanced Edition>IF NOT EXIST BWP_Fixpack.installed echo "The BiG World Fixpack script did not run successfully. Please check the _ApplyPatches.debug log file in the game folder and re-run _ApplyBatches.bat manually before continuing." IF NOT EXIST BWP_Fixpack.installed pause
I notice that it seems to have extracted an extra directory layer so my BG2EE install looks like this : C:\Games\Steam\steamapps\common\Baldur's Gate II Enhanced Edition\BiG_World_Fixpack\BiG World Fixpack\_messages putting it one layer further than it's looking for.
Edit 2:
Ok I attempted it a second time and it made it through the batch command for BG2EE without an issue, currently installing EET, will monitor progress...
Edit 3
It's made it past the infamous SHARTJ.D -> IMOEN files..
Edit 4:
Installation stopped at this point with this message:
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##### Spell Revisions v4 (pre-release) ##### ### 0000: Spell Revisions ### The following circumstances prevent the installation: spell_rev (component 0) is preferred to WildMage (component 3). Wild Mage Additions 0003: Misc spell modifications ҍ
spell_rev (component 0) is preferred to aTweaks (component 150, 152, 153, 155 or 156). aTweaks 0152: PnP Fiends -> Mod-added fiends are also affected ҍ
+ aTweaks 0155: Further Revised Fiend Summoning ҍ
+ aTweaks 0156: Fiendish gating ҍ
The mod was also selected, but stands in conflict with this component. Attention: You see this text here, since components that need this mod or have a conflict have most likely made an error. This is assumed because of the selection of the components within the BiG World Setup and not of data from the weidu.log. You can try to install the component anyway, skip it or exit the program. Enter [i]nstall, [s]kip or [e]xit.
Note the prompt to make a selection here was only visible in the Debug Log, not the GUI (and is the same in all subsequent error reports!). I will try installing spell revisions while skipping the conflicting components when they come up.
Edit 5:
Installation was once again stopped at this point (having not long skipped the one for Wild Mage Additions):
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##### Divine Remix ##### @@@ Skipping Init: because it was not selected for this installation @@@ @@@ Skipping 0010: Install new spells -> Overwrite spells from other mods because it was not selected for this installation @@@ ### 0011: Install new spells -> Only add spells if not present from other mods ### Ready for installation ### 0100: Cleric Remix ### The following circumstances prevent the installation: refinements (component 10) is preferred to Divine_Remix (component 100 or 200). Divine Remix 0200: Druid Remix ҍ
The mod was also selected, but stands in conflict with this component. Attention: You see this text here, since components that need this mod or have a conflict have most likely made an error. This is assumed because of the selection of the components within the BiG World Setup and not of data from the weidu.log. You can try to install the component anyway, skip it or exit the program. Enter [i]nstall, [s]kip or [e]xit.
Given the relevant instruction regarding Refinements I shall skip this one.
Next Interuptiion:
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### 0103: Install Silverstar of Selune Cleric Kit ### The following circumstances prevent the installation: Divine_Remix (component 103, 106, 107, 109, 112, 115, 118, 121, 124, 127 or 130) needs Divine_Remix (component 100). Divine Remix 0106: Install Nightcloak of Shar Cleric Kit ٍ
+ Divine Remix 0107: Install Holy Strategist of the Red Knight Cleric Kit ٍ
The mod is required by this component, but was removed of the selection. Attention: You see this text here, since components that need this mod or have a conflict have most likely made an error. This is assumed because of the selection of the components within the BiG World Setup and not of data from the weidu.log. You can try to install the component anyway, skip it or exit the program. Enter [i]nstall, [s]kip or [e]xit.
Again I'm skipping this, as well as all the others in the Divine Remix 0100 and 0200 sections.
Edit 6:
Installation threw an error while attempting to install Might and Guile:
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WARNING: no effects altered on d5_rfc1.spl The Feat System (for Warriors and Rogues, requires EE 2.0+, includes Revised Stalker and Shadowdancer, disables Scout kit) (Might and Guile) was installed with warnings. Psionics (EE 2.0+) (Might and Guile) was installed successfully.
ERROR: illegal 1-byte read from offset 8886 of 8886-byte file d5_bard.2da ERROR: [d5_bard.2da] -> [override] Patching Failed (COPY) (Failure("d5_bard.2da: read out of bounds")) ERROR: Failure("d5_bard.2da: read out of bounds") Bard Class Overhaul (EE 1.4+, revises bard songs and kits, adds new kits, modifies HLA tables) (Might and Guile) was not installed due to errors.
You can try to repair the problem and start the installation of the component again. In this case please select "retry" after the repair.
If you don't want to spent time for that now, you can also continue without the component or exit the program. The BiG World Setup will continue with the installation of that component. Enter [r]etry, [c]ontinue or [e]xit.
Clearly something didn't go right here (I assume it's something the mod author of Might and Guile needs to fix), will select continue and see what happens.
Edit 7
Towards the end of the extremely long install of Sword Coast Strategems the install was once again interupted with the following message:
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This component requires "Smarter Priests" to be installed Improved Cloakwood Druids (Sword Coast Stratagems) was skipped.
If a component was skipped during the install, this indicates a conflict or dependency that's still missing in the BWS. Either a similar component is already installed and thus this message is harmless, or the component depends on a mod that's missing. If you don't want to continue after your analysis, you can stop the BiG World Setup now and resume from this point later. Enter [c]ontinue or [e].
I select continue and see what happens and find a similar message a bit later:
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This component requires "Smarter Beholders" to be installed Improved Unseeing Eye (Sword Coast Stratagems) was skipped.
If a component was skipped during the install, this indicates a conflict or dependency that's still missing in the BWS. Either a similar component is already installed and thus this message is harmless, or the component depends on a mod that's missing. If you don't want to continue after your analysis, you can stop the BiG World Setup now and resume from this point later. Enter [c]ontinue or [e]xit.
Edit 8
Just after Sword Coast Strategems finally completed we have JIm's Fixes and Tweaks which threw this message:
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##### Jim's Fixes and Tweaks ##### @@@ Skipping 0002: Shield of Reflection works on SCS Flame Arrows because it was not selected for this installation @@@ ### 0003: Fix Ascension with SCS Smarter Abazigal ### Ready for installation Setup-jimfix.exe --no-exit-pause --noautoupdate --language 0 --skip-at-view --force-install-list 3 --logapp [Setup-jimfix.exe] WeiDU version 24000
C:\Games\Steam\steamapps\common\Baldur's Gate II Enhanced Edition> Requires Smarter Abazigal Fix Ascension with SCS Smarter Abazigal (Jim's Fixes and Tweaks) was skipped.
If a component was skipped during the install, this indicates a conflict or dependency that's still missing in the BWS. Either a similar component is already installed and thus this message is harmless, or the component depends on a mod that's missing. If you don't want to continue after your analysis, you can stop the BiG World Setup now and resume from this point later. Enter [c]ontinue or [e].
So continuing on...and I then find this:
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### 0004: Fix Ascension with SCS Smarter Irenicus ### Ready for installation Setup-jimfix.exe --no-exit-pause --noautoupdate --language 0 --skip-at-view --force-install-list 4 --logapp [Setup-jimfix.exe] WeiDU version 24000
Using .\lang\en_us\dialog.tlk
SKIPPING: [Fix Smarter Irenicus at the Throne] Requires Smarter Ascension Irenicus
C:\Games\Steam\steamapps\common\Baldur's Gate II Enhanced Edition> Requires Smarter Ascension Irenicus Fix Ascension with SCS Smarter Irenicus (Jim's Fixes and Tweaks) was skipped.
If a component was skipped during the install, this indicates a conflict or dependency that's still missing in the BWS. Either a similar component is already installed and thus this message is harmless, or the component depends on a mod that's missing. If you don't want to continue after your analysis, you can stop the BiG World Setup now and resume from this point later. Enter [c]ontinue or [e].
Edit 9
After encountering Atweaks and skipping the relevent components that conflicted with Spell Revisions (as per instructions in Edit 4), the install completed succesfully without further interuptions. I'd like to thank everyone who has contributed to this project, I couldn't possibly be able to mod Baldur's Gate without BWS. I hope my analysis has been helpful and not annoying and for everyone to enjoy a Happy New Year .
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