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[kreso]

@ Quiet

 

Just so you know, Spellpack component "Ghost Armor" causes SCS install ("initialize" component) to fail (something about  "illegal byte read" or some technical crap I know nothing about  . You get the same thing (failure) on a clean SpellPack+SCS install). It can be easilly avoided by not installing that particular component.

Also, Daulmakan's Item Pack should go earlier in install (prior to Spellpack). SCS takes any rule tweaks into account and should therefore be installed after BG2 Tweaks. 

[The Saint]

Hi

 

Very lovely program, but I seem to need some help.

 

I'm attempting a Tactics edition, running the BG2EE version of the 20140215 install file, but when I get to Vampire Tales it tells me

"You do not appear to have TOB installed.
Vampire Tales (Requires Throne of Bhaal) (Vampire Tales) was skipped."

 

TOB should very much be a part of BG2EE, right?

[The Imp]

Hi

 

Very lovely program, but I seem to need some help.

 

I'm attempting a Tactics edition, running the BG2EE version of the 20140215 install file, but when I get to Vampire Tales it tells me

"You do not appear to have TOB installed.
Vampire Tales (Requires Throne of Bhaal) (Vampire Tales) was skipped."

 

TOB should very much be a part of BG2EE, right?

Well it's likely that the BWS doesn't download the correct archive as the Raven's updated version should take care of this.

[Quiet]

Just so you know, Spellpack component "Ghost Armor" causes SCS install ("initialize" component) to fail (something about  "illegal byte read" or some technical crap I know nothing about  . You get the same thing (failure) on a clean SpellPack+SCS install). It can be easilly avoided by not installing that particular component.

Thanks. But, are you sure about this? Because I have just installed the minimal version + Spellpaсk + SCS and any problems in the installation was not.

 

Also, Daulmakan's Item Pack should go earlier in install (prior to Spellpack). SCS takes any rule tweaks into account and should therefore be installed after BG2 Tweaks.

Better inform about this to Leonardo in the BWP topic.   
I'm hardly going to change the order of installation, until this happens in the official BWP sources.

[The Imp]

Also, Daulmakan's Item Pack should go earlier in install (prior to Spellpack). SCS takes any rule tweaks into account and should therefore be installed after BG2 Tweaks.

Better inform about this to Leonardo in the BWP topic. 

I said this elsewhere... the SCS only takes the tweaks into account if they benefit the monsters... so setting the Thac0.2da's all values to 20's won't make them loose a thing... but the PCs will loose big time. The tweak pack was made to not be beneficial to the monsters so making this order switch will possibly make the game harder than intended.

[kreso]

@Quiet

Fixpack+Spellpack's Ghost Armor+SCSv28 - install failure for me. Perhaps it's a local error. 

 

@Jarno

I tend to believe that people want "consistency" in their games, i.e. same rules for monsters/PCs. They can only use "Unnerfed THAC0 tables", "Add Save penalties for high-level casters", "Alter spell progression tables".

"Alter weapon proficiency system" will make SCS fighters loose proficiencies in the weapons they're proficient in (affects wakizashi, ninja-to and morningstar weapons), so should definitely be installed before SCS.

[The Imp]

@Quiet
Fixpack+Spellpack's Ghost Armor+SCSv28 - install failure for me. Perhaps it's a local error.

Did you use the BiG World Fixpack, or just the G3 Fixpack ?
 

@Jarno
I tend to believe that people want "consistency" in their games, i.e. same rules for monsters/PCs. They can only use "Unnerfed THAC0 tables", "Add Save penalties for high-level casters", "Alter spell progression tables".
"Alter weapon proficiency system" will make SCS fighters loose proficiencies in the weapons they're proficient in (affects wakizashi, ninja-to and morningstar weapons), so should definitely be installed before SCS.

Or not, cause the SCS can pick the proficiency picks after the style of the equipped weapons... the one it has. The rule system is simple for the monsters...- they don't have to travel and kill others to be at the level they are at... they are created as such. The level 1 goblins have a natural Thac0 of 15... not 20, the SCS does nothing to it. The monsters have natural bonus damages tied to the weapons they have that do not drop. Etc etc etc.
AKA -they are not tied to the used rule system.

Edited by The Imp, 17 February 2014 - 09:40 AM.

[kreso]

@Quiet
Fixpack+Spellpack's Ghost Armor+SCSv28 - install failure for me. Perhaps it's a local error.

Did you use the BiG World Fixpack, or just the G3 Fixpack ?
 

@Jarno
I tend to believe that people want "consistency" in their games, i.e. same rules for monsters/PCs. They can only use "Unnerfed THAC0 tables", "Add Save penalties for high-level casters", "Alter spell progression tables".
"Alter weapon proficiency system" will make SCS fighters loose proficiencies in the weapons they're proficient in (affects wakizashi, ninja-to and morningstar weapons), so should definitely be installed before SCS.

Or not, cause the SCS can pick the proficiency picks after the style of the equipped weapons... the one it has. The rule system is simple for the monsters...- they don't have to travel and kill others to be at the level they are at... they are created as such. The level 1 goblins have a natural Thac0 of 15... not 20, the SCS does nothing to it. The monsters have natural bonus damages tied to the weapons they have that do not drop. Etc etc etc.
AKA -they are not tied to the used rule system.

 

I used both fixes for testing Spellpack's Ghost Armor. If people can install both mods, great, but I can't.

SCS gives fighters pips according to their level, based upon the weapon they wield.  Changing this after SCS has finished installing makes them loose proficiences in aforementioned weapons, since a level 12 fighter wielding a Morningstar will have GM in Flails/Morningstars after SCS is finished patching him, while Tweaks will make his Morningstar use "Mace" proficiency. 

Given that the goal of SCS is to make game harder to a degree, I fail to see how installing this component may benefit the end-user. If one wants an easy game, it's far easier simply not to install SCS then to (perhaps unwillingly and unknowingly) mess stuff up.

This does not affect any monsters, and probably 98% fighter types in game, however -only wakizashi/ninja-to/morningstar using fighters.

[drakonnus]

links using the domain http://www.camagna.net no longer function, meaning that the multi-install tool and anishai cannot be downloaded.

[Quiet]

Yes, I know about this, and well... if it does not violate anyone's rights, I can put both of them and even provide links to BWS. )

Spoiler

Anishai NPC v1.5

Multi-Install Tool v5.1.10

[drakonnus]

thank you very much for it, nobody should mind, as the links have been dead since october 2013 and nobody on gibberlings reuploaded either files, besides those links were from a emergency backup.

Edit: how broken are the expert mods?

Edited by drakonnus, 18 February 2014 - 02:24 PM.

[The Imp]

Edit: how broken are the expert mods?

Well, if you intent to play the game from BG1 to the Throne with the intention to finish most of the quests... you'll need to use basic moding tools and have wealth of knowledge of what each mod does(of course depending on which mod we are talking about here). Or not, if you just roll with the punches and give a cheese where things end up... by using the CLUAConsole.

[Quiet]

Ghost Armor again? I need more information, because I can not reproduce this error. Can you save and share your selection list?

[kreso]

@Sisyphus

 

Guess now that makes 2 of us with the same issue. the easiest way to "fix" it is by simply not installing Spellpack's Ghost Armor. Also, Spellpack seems to be "more than a little" unfriendly towards creatures which possess some kind of innate immunity to specific effect, like Charm, Fear, Posion/Disease -may be other effects as well. Any such immunity will display Spell Immunity animation on creature which has such an immunity either via .spl file or is equiped with some .itm  (Cavailer will appear as if he has SI active, for the whole game, for example. Same can happen if you equip Ring of Gaxx.).

In short, if you want to avoid seeing people/ghouls etc. with ugly animations I'd avoid SpellPack for now, even tough the mod is very cool. 

Previously I tought that "Charm Person or mammal" spell adds these animations, but there are (apperantly) a few more which cause such behaviour.

[The Imp]

Previously I tought that "Charm Person or mammal" spell adds these animations, but there are (apperantly) a few more which cause such behaviour.

It's likely to be all the spells that use the same opcode... as that could be the easiest way to program it.

A way to fix this would be to make a similar component to that of the Tweakpacks item icon remover. But that needs a non-Imp to program it.

[Jarin Hawkeye]

A minor nitpicking: The "Total Happines" install does not include Generalized Biffing, which, in my opinion, is rather required for any install (the smoothness!). Have I missed something important?

[The Imp]

Ok i'll give it a try without ghost armor,

 

Also minor nitpick IA Content - IWD Belhifet and Marilith, only thing that seems to use it are some of the big mods (DS, RoT, TDD, TS-BP), should there be a dependency so that if none of those mods are selected this one isnt selected either? just one less thing to dl and extract. Or am I missing something?

All the IA stuff is like that... but there's nothing that tells that those resources can't be used by other mods or the player, they are rarity as is.

And you might have missed the fact that you can remove all the undesirable mods you wish... by customizing the setup with the "..." button right after selecting the compilation.