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[Yovaneth]

Some of those are definately valid points, some have been fixed already in v2.6 - I'll need a few days to check the others. The Black Lotus question I can answer straight off:-

Spoiler

burn it on either one of the two campfires in the Cloudpeaks.

-Y-

Edited by Yovaneth, 12 September 2013 - 06:02 AM.

[Yovaneth]

Okay - I've been working through some of these. Really don't read these if you don't want to reveal huge chunks of the mod. Just assume that any bugs have been fixed for v2.7.

 

Spoiler

 

When arriving to Porthpentrych, there is absolutely no indication where the lighthouse man is. Used the forums to get to him.

Deliberate. The whole village has disappeared and you need to search every building in an effort to find out why.

Traps of Life don't work - Used the Ghoul's bed as specified, had to use boots of speed trick to get the key.

Can't reproduce - works every time here, which doesn't mean it works for you. We had a few non-reproducible oddities during testing.

When going back to the demon with the appropriate key, demon (which is oddly enough named after my char?) doesn't not disappear. Also, no note 'left by the wizard of Thay' appears in the Inv. The only indication of how to proceed from there is the journal which magically updates.

Was fixed in v2.5

Cerendor hold - no interaction whatsoever from most of the characters in the keep - very one sided. Red guards don't talk, Hold guards don't talk, limited dialogues for commoners in the keep (apparently all commoners present are there for the 'first time').

Correct about the guards.- dialog added in v2.7. The commoners don't have much to say, although there's fourteen possible replies depending on circumstances.

After freeing guard 'serjeant' (spelling error there) there is no interaction immediately after gaining there freedom

He's a soldier - he knows what he has to do. Not a spelling error - for a while I considered using the even earlier 'serjente' but I thought that really would cause a fuss.

Cloudpeak mountains or some such, aka Black Lotus caravan - Got the box of drugs, absolutely no entry about what to do with them. How did I become a force of righteous narcotic destroying power of goodness, not clear.

No, I didn't give you the option to sell them although it did cross my mind, but that would have expanded the mod hugely as I would have needed to add in yet another plotline. You were supposed to burn them there and then but the firepit script was not being compiled. Fixed in v2.7.

Next - arriving back at West Gov (of course, no need to mention, the 'not really in Athkatla bug' - 8 hour travel time,no coweled wizard interaction when casting spells)

Engine bug. We never did find a workaround.

go to the house with the elven wizard and hubby - the conversation about the orb starts oddly in the middle - the whole beginning is cut out oddly enough. Did the whole, silverale inn encounter, got back to the medical facility of some such, talked to the guy in charge, got back to the elven wizard and hubby. - Got the, don't worry about it, get to Porthpentrych in a week. Can't find them ever since, quest end for me. (Not a week after, or a day after, anywhere is the port). Nothing about Imradim place or some such.

That really does sound like something got trashed on installation - it does happen. There was a problem with the conversation with Geltarath which was fixed in v2.5 but it didn't lead to a trail of destruction that bad.

*Lastly, have to point out something about the journal entries and the talk-backs- they are either lacking or non-existent - got the flamedance ring quest - journal entry is about two sentences - ' We were hired to find the thieves of the ring ' - Where to look? Where to even begin looking? In the conversation something was said about sewers. Looking both in the slums and the temple sewers, couldn't find anything, gave up on that quests.

There's only one place that the thieves hang out. Your contact is there.

Talk backs - When returning to speak with the quest characters - without any real advancement - the response is always - 'nothing to say'.

Much the same as the original Bioware plotlines. I guess I could have forced the last conversation to re-run, which would have helped.

Another discovery - If I go back to save before agreeing to get the orb, talk to the elf and hubby again, and agree to pay the 30,000(which I didn't do the last time), the quest progresses as normal (notice: I never go and get the orb)

Couldn't reproduce this, even trying to take the conversation line you thought you'd taken. Possibly fixed in v2.5 but I can't guarantee that was so.

Long story short - got to the desert. Beautiful. Absolutely well done. Enjoyed that part of the quest very much.

Thanks. I enjoyed creating that area the most. It very nearly didn't happen.

When going to get the cup for Aeisha, multiple cups are obtainable from the artificer, as though you never got one. From my experience, - I got one for free, the next for 50gp calling him a thief, and the whole thing restarted (again, one for free and so on).

Fixed in v2.7.

If you talk to the bandit leader in Kill Akil, and then talk to Levon for the first time, and disagree to go on his 2000gp killing spree, the quest is void, you can get up to point Akill is in Levon's estate, then nothing - Akill has nothing to say. If you agree to go on his spree, Levon stays in his estate and the quest progresses normally. Notice that there is absolutely no quest reward, and the journal entries are lacking badly.

Still trying to find the failure point but so far I'm pretty sure it's a bug. It will be fixed for v2.7.

[Edit] Has been fixed for v2.7

Exiting the cave makes the map markers tags multiple - That means, if the map is marked Aeish's house, it will be marked "Aeish's house Aeish's house" upon exiting.

Bloody annoying that. It looks like an engine bug because the code that adds the map markers is properly bounded.

[Edit] Found the cause - for AddMapNote() you need to use Area and not Global. Fixed in v2.7.

 

IF
  Global("ys_ImradimMapnotes","GLOBAL",0)
THEN
  RESPONSE #100
    AddMapNote([1332.917],@307)
    AddMapNote([800.1400],@308)
    AddMapNote([358.1094],@309)
    AddMapNote([4584.512],@310)
    AddMapNote([4277.1960],@311)
    AddMapNote([1767.1283],@312)
    AddMapNote([2292.2333],@313)
    AddMapNote([1284.2491],@314)
    SetGlobal("ys_ImradimMapnotes","GLOBAL",1)
END

Portal Mirror can be used in Athkatla to teleport you straight to hubby house as many times as you want, although said to have ' one charge '

Couldn't reproduce. I tried it in multiple areas.

*Quest ends with Elminster normally - journal entries not erased properly.

Again, that's a bloody annoyance. The journal entries have the same script structure throughout the mod but some of them just will not erase.

Alright, thanks guys

Only me 'We' refers to the testers who put so much work into this, pre-release.

Edited by Yovaneth, 06 October 2013 - 03:08 PM.

[ibanix]

Using v2.7.

 

It is possible, as I did, to complete the section inside the tombs before going to the lighthouse, thus missing some part of the story. You may want to make the hammer/pick not spawn until after opening the lighthouse, or something to that effect.

[ibanix]

Correction, the version is 2.8. The mod still writes "version 2.7" to the WeiDU log; there's a small bug to fix.

[Yovaneth]

Many thanks.

 

-Y-

[ibanix]

Cerendor Hold bugs/issues:

 

1) There are a crazy number of generic NPCs. There really needs to be more named NPCs, or less total NPCs, or both. This whole area is begging for side quests and more flavor; it's Boring Hold right now.

 

The same could be said for the Fishing town, which is a whole lot of walking for nothing other than finding one NPC and two more maps. Dead bodies? NPC possessions? Journals? Anything?

 

2) The Red Guards are laughably easy to defeat. Ditto for the Wizards. Also, the Red Guards don't attack, even when hostile, until you attack them; they stand around doing nothing even if you're beating on their friends in the same room.

 

3) Rooms and rooms of nothing. Needs more containers with loot, or some traps, or anything to break up the wall of nameless and generic NPCs.

 

4) The NPCs (Hold Guards in particular) have no change in dialogue after you start retaking the hold or have retaken it. This is rather odd. The Earl says nothing to the PCs during/after the hold retake.

 

5) After I finished defeating all the NPCs, the Caravan Master told me to find the last Red Wizard. I never found him, but my next talk with the Caravan Master completed the quest and rewarded me the experience. My journal updated, but I have no idea what 'very interesting information' he gave. 

 

6) The priest of helm in the hold has some missing punctuation (periods) in his dialogue tree. @1153 and @1154 in particular.

 

 

 

I'm thoroughly confused by what is going on in this mod, except something about Black Lotus shipments, so I'm off to the next location to see if I can figure out what's going on. 

 

By the way, the readme claim of '221 new NPCs' and '109 new areas' is less impressive if you're counting the hold Nobles, Commoners and Guards each; and if those areas include the interior houses of the fishing town, which are empty.

Edited by ibanix, 08 January 2014 - 06:19 PM.

[ibanix]

I'd like to echo an earlier poster:

 

* Cloudpeak mountains or some such, aka Black Lotus caravan - Got the box of drugs, absolutely no entry about what to do with them. How did I become a force of righteous narcotic destroying power of goodness, not clear.

 

^ This was my experience. You need to leave a hint for players other than fires that happens to be there; it looks just like a scene feature to me, and those are frequently present in BG2 without being connected to any quest or trigger. A journal entry to the effect of: "Have secured the Black Lotus. Now I need to destroy it...." 

 

and/or a trigger over the fire which says "You could burn something in this, if you wanted to."

 

Also, when actually burning the Lotus, the info you get is "The flames from the fire burn hot and high", which is not very helpful. I suggest, "You dump the Black Lotus into the fire. It is quickly consumed, giving off a sweet odor". AND, needs a "The Party Has Lost an Item" indicator. 

Edited by ibanix, 08 January 2014 - 06:01 PM.

[ibanix]

After burning the Lotus, nothing changes, so... I'm at a loss for what to do now. 

[Yovaneth]

1. Cerendor Hold: it's a staging post on a major travel route so you should have countless numbers of nameless people there at any one time.

     Porthpentyrch: was abandoned in a hurry. Have to admit that a journal is a good idea though.

2. Red Guards: dammit - there's a bug in the script which stops them from attacking you. That serves me right for experimenting and not checking before upload. 

3.  Unfortunately there's only so many sidequests that one person can think up 

4. The Hold Guards do comment on the Red Guards before the fight and on the fight itself afterwards. The dialog is randomised so if you're very unlucky it's possible never to see any of these comments. The Earl acknowledges you after the fight is complete and rewards you for clearing the Hold. If you got the instruction from the Caravan Master to search for the Red Wizard then the Earl will have that one speech with you because both actions need the same variable.

5. Do you have a savegame before talking to the Caravan Master and after the fight? If so, please drop all non-canon NPCs and attach the savegame here. In theory that shouldn't happen. What you missed was a load of exposition as to why the drug is passing through here and where to go next (I can tell you that, if you want?).

6. I'll catch up with that.

7. I'll add a better description for the burning of the Black Lotus.

 

There's more than 221 new NPCs. Guards, nobles and commoners only get one count for each cre.

 

-Y-

Edited by Yovaneth, 09 January 2014 - 06:39 AM.

[Miloch]

3.  Unfortunately there's only so many sidequests that one person can think up

Just run this thing a few times. Problem is then implementing all those random ideas.

[ibanix]

3.  Unfortunately there's only so many sidequests that one person can think up

Just run this thing a few times. Problem is then implementing all those random ideas.

 

That... is pretty damn awesome.

[ibanix]

1. Cerendor Hold: it's a staging post on a major travel route so you should have countless numbers of nameless people there at any one time.
     Porthpentyrch: was abandoned in a hurry. Have to admit that a journal is a good idea though.

It might be full of hordes of nameless people, but it doesn't make it *interesting* or *fun*. And interesting and fun is why we play the game! Right?

 

Ditto for Porthpentyrch. If I spend a good long time wandering around a map, I expect to find _something_. Items, clues, monsters, traps, NPCs, etc. Both the Hold and Porthpentyrch have a very low excitement-to-time-spent value.
 

[ibanix]

I could really use the exposition or info, because I didn't get it in Porthpentyrch from the demon either. And I'm still out of ideas for what to do now...

[Yovaneth]

<irony>Thanks Miloch</irony> - you can spend minutes flicking through that thing and then days implementing anything.

 

Ibanix: are you happy reading a dialog file? For example, here is the top four blocks of the conversation you missed:

Spoiler

BEGIN ysailoth

 

//---------------------------------------------------------

//PC finds him

IF ~Global("ys_TalkedToAiloth","GLOBAL",0)

Global("ys_FoundWizard","GLOBAL",0)~ THEN BEGIN BLK1

SAY ~No! Hold your hand!~

IF~~THEN REPLY ~And who are you, Red Wizard, that we should talk to you?~ GOTO BLK2

END

 

//---------------------------------------------------------

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN BLK2

SAY ~I am Ailoth Tam, Red Wizard of Thay. I was with the caravan that captured Cerendor Hold.~

IF~~THEN REPLY ~I know that. You still haven't convinced me.~ GOTO BLK3

IF~~THEN REPLY ~That is a good reason to kill you, not one to keep you alive!~ GOTO BLK3

END

 

//---------------------------------------------------------

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN BLK3

SAY ~But I can tell you what is happening here!~

IF~~THEN

DO ~SetGlobal("ys_FoundWizard","GLOBAL",1)~

REPLY ~You've just bought your life - for now. Start talking.~ GOTO BLK5

END

 

//---------------------------------------------------------

IF ~Global("ys_TalkedToAiloth","GLOBAL",0)

Global("ys_FoundWizard","GLOBAL",1)~ THEN BEGIN BLK5

SAY ~Cerendor Hold sits astride the trade routes between Thay and the Sword Coast; my master needs money to fund his armies and entered into an agreement with the Pasha Baadilhaela to ship the Black Lotus from Calimport to Athkatla.~

IF~~THEN REPLY ~Pasha Baadilhaela? Who's he?~ GOTO BLK6

END

An alternative is to try this first:

 

CLUAConsole:SetGlobal("ys_TalkedToCaravanMaster","GLOBAL",5)

 

and for safety:

 

CLUAConsole:SetGlobal("ys_GarrisonFight","GLOBAL",3)

 

Now go to the first floor in Cerendor Hold (second floor if you're American/Canadian - area ys0330) - it's the area with the main dining room in it. On the west wall is a restroom/toilet: Ailoth Tam is hiding in there. His precise co-ordinates are [932.631]. If he's not there then your installation is fouled up for this area, in which case 

 

CLUAConsole:CreateCreature("ysailoth")

 

Don't try this unless the top two variables are set.

 

One other thing:

 

6) The priest of helm in the hold has some missing punctuation (periods) in his dialogue tree. @1153 and @1154 in particular.

Those lines belong to the blacksmith:

 

@1153 = ~Thank you~

@1154 = ~Not at the moment, thank you~

 

I guess you mean the ending periods.

 

 

-Y-

 

Edited by Yovaneth, 10 January 2014 - 01:45 AM.

[ibanix]

 
Now go to the first floor in Cerendor Hold (second floor if you're American/Canadian - area ys0330)

Heh, I was wondering why the 'first floor' was upstairs from where I currently was.
 

 

Those lines belong to the blacksmith:

Ok. I knew it was one of those guys...

[ibanix]

Ok so, what do I do after the I burned the Lotus?

[ibanix]

Retraced my steps:

1) Crendor Hold: Nothing new, no new dialogue options from Duke or Caravan Master. You'd think after you'd killed the caravan and burned the Lotus they'd have SOMETHING to say.

2) Trademeet: Nothing new.

3) Portpentrytch: Nothing new.

4) Seven Vales: No Elminster.

If there is another place to go or person to speak to, it's not in my journal or never was mentioned by a character in a useful way.