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[sadun]

Hi there buddies,

 

After a long time decided to play again and begin to install in an old school way but i get an error on check the bodies install

 

Here is my weidu log so far..

 

 

 

 
// Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods// The top of the file is the 
'oldest' mod// ~TP2_File~ #language_number #component_number // 
[Subcomponent Name -> ] Component Name [ : 
Version]~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #0 // BG2 Fixpack - Core Fixes: 
v10~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #1001 // BG2 Fixpack - Game Text 
Update -> GTU Classic (from Baldurdash, by Kevin Dorner): 
v10~SETUP-BGT.TP2~ #0 #0 // Baldur's Gate Trilogy - Core: 1.17 (10 Apr 
13)~SETUP-TDD.TP2~ #0 #0 // The Darkest Day,  v1.14: 
v1.14~SETUP-SOS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Shadows Over Soubar: 1.13~SETUP-TS-BP.TP2~ 
#0 #0 // TORTURED SOULS v6.10 (BP Compatible Version)~SETUP-ROT.TP2~ #0 #0 
// Region Of Terror, v2.1

 

and here is exercpt from ctb log

 

 

 

Dealing with TOOLTIP.2DA ...
Copying and patching 1 file ...
ERROR: Cannot find 150 rows with at least 7 columns.ERROR: [TOOLTIP.2DA] 
-> [override] Patching Failed (COPY) (Failure("Cannot Set 2DA Entry"))
Stopping installation because of error.
ERROR Installing [Check The Bodies], rolling back to previous state
Unable to Unlink [CtB/backup/0/OTHER.0]: Unix.Unix_error(1, "unlink", 
"CtB/backup/0/OTHER.0")
Will uninstall 528 files for [SETUP-CTB.TP2] component 0.

 

Any clue on the situation? Thanks in advance...

 

 

[The Imp]

~SETUP-BGT.TP2~ #0 #0 // Baldur's Gate Trilogy - Core: 1.17 (10 Apr 13)
~SETUP-TDD.TP2~ #0 #0 // The Darkest Day,  v1.14: v1.14
~SETUP-SOS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Shadows Over Soubar: 1.13
~SETUP-TS-BP.TP2~ #0 #0 // TORTURED SOULS v6.10 (BP Compatible Version)
~SETUP-ROT.TP2~ #0 #0 // Region Of Terror, v2.1

This order is odd, to say the least ... did you actually use the BWS to install those or did you do some or all part manually ?

[sadun]

i am installing manually

[The Imp]

Well, without the BWP fixpack and the other BWP tools (BWS etc), you are quite doomed to failure, as the above mods just aren't made to work with each other. As you have to manually fix situation like the above...

[sadun]

Yeah fixing the situation... That i what i am seeking for.... maybe someone that has more knowledge may help me....

[Ulb]

Yeah fixing the situation... That i what i am seeking for

 

Well, I really don't want to sound rude, (so don't take that the wrong way ), but the BWP/BWS are exactly that, a fix for your situation. (And for that matter, so is the Imp's Mega Mod FAQ.)

 

Installing a mega mod is a difficult thing since their are a lot of incompatibilities between those big old mods.

For that reason people with far more knowledge than me and you, have invested countless hours of their free time to write and create various fixing-tools and patches as well as in-depth guides and even an automated installation tool for exactly that purpose.

 

So, it might be a good idea to just take a look at the BWP Install Guide. I'm almost sure you won't have to use the .batch install method or the BWS if you don't want to. But reading a guide on how to install stuff in the right order and which kind of fixes to use, seems like a very smart idea for people attempting a mega mod install.

[sadun]

Thanks for the explanation i didnt meant to be rude sry if it went that way.

 

Of course i appreciate all the hard work modders have done to us thanks to all of them..  The reason i didnt go with BWP is i dont wanna install too much mods. I am trying to go more stable installation. Of course you can play with batch file to get only mods you want but I dont think there is any technical difference when you install manually or automating it. 

 

i should go different forum maybe?

 

Anyway sry for bothering all of you....

[Ulb]

BWP doesn't tell you how many mods you should install, it simply tells you at what position you should install a mod and which 'fix mods' and patches you need, relative to the other mods you want to include.

 

Again, it is especially those mods you tried to install, which cause instability if installed together and need BWP fixing in order to run together.

 

'Going for a more stable installation' by ignoring all guides and programs created to achieve a more stable installation, seems like a very flawed logic to me.

[The Imp]

'Going for a more stable installation' by ignoring all guides and programs created to achieve a more stable installation, seems like a very flawed logic to me.

In principle you are right, but it's only because you know how to use them, and you have experienced them first hand...

And the BWP kinda does tell how many mods to install, it just doesn't pop up and say "YOU CAN IGNORE MOST OF THE MODS AS YOU CAN MODIFY THE COMPILATION TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT BY pushing this button in BWS-> " Erhm, speaking of course the one in the BWS, :The Imp point to it's FAQs picture, fails to find it and then with anger rips up a new happy face to imageshack and post this picture:

..., as the BWP is erhm, the BiG World Project ... while the BiG World Setup tool is what it is.
 

but I dont think there is any technical difference when you install manually or automating it.

Erhm, yeah there's not.... if you follow the automated process from the source code then no, but do you have it ? Dabus might... but he's the only one

Edited by The Imp, 27 April 2013 - 09:56 AM.

[Ulb]

And the BWP kinda does tell how many mods to install, it just doesn't pop up and say "YOU CAN IGNORE MOST OF THE MODS AS YOU CAN MODIFY THE COMPILATION TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT BY pushing this button in BWS-> " Erhm, speaking of course the one in the BWS, :I point to my FAQs picture: ..., as the BWP is erhm, the BiG World Project ... while the BiG World Setup tool is what it is.

You've got an admirable talent for producing utterly confusing semantics...

[Azazello]

 

And the BWP kinda does tell how many mods to install, it just doesn't pop up and say "YOU CAN IGNORE MOST OF THE MODS AS YOU CAN MODIFY THE COMPILATION TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT BY pushing this button in BWS-> " Erhm, speaking of course the one in the BWS, :I point to my FAQs picture: ..., as the BWP is erhm, the BiG World Project ... while the BiG World Setup tool is what it is.

You've got an admirable talent for producing utterly confusing semantics...

 

[The Imp]

 

And the BWP kinda does tell how many mods to install, it just doesn't pop up and say "YOU CAN IGNORE MOST OF THE MODS AS YOU CAN MODIFY THE COMPILATION TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT BY pushing this button in BWS-> " Erhm, speaking of course the one in the BWS, :I point to my FAQs picture: ..., as the BWP is erhm, the BiG World Project ... while the BiG World Setup tool is what it is.

You've got an admirable talent for producing utterly confusing semantics...

 

If you notice the quotation doesn't actually contain the response of the post it was made to so it lacks the subject of the post, which is that there is no BWP ... to be installed. If it's the short hand for BiG World Project, it's a project, one that can be had instructions on how to build etc, but the guide is not a program that can be in itself installed. Now there is BWS, which is the short hand for BiG World Setup; a program that CAN be installed and used to to make a close approximation of the BWP's goal.

 

So the base line of the post is actually that Ulb's use of the term BWP is totally wrong ... then wrap around the additional fact that I tried to help the original poster with the additional info that they can, yep we use they as we have no info on their gender, in fact edit the setup the BWS makes to which ever amount of mods they wish. And then edit it with the facts on the forum: imageshack ate the old picture in the FAQs as it's probably that old or something, and the short lack of time I had at the time and you get the post... yes, it's a weave of consciousness. Sue me. But it all makes sense, you just got to be the overmind to know it's facts... or you could just read the entire thread and have them.

Edited by The Imp, 28 April 2013 - 03:06 AM.

[Azazello]

Thanks for the explanation i didnt meant to be rude sry if it went that way.

 

Of course i appreciate all the hard work modders have done to us thanks to all of them..  The reason i didnt go with BWP is i dont wanna install too much mods. I am trying to go more stable installation. Of course you can play with batch file to get only mods you want but I dont think there is any technical difference when you install manually or automating it. 

 

i should go different forum maybe?

 

Anyway sry for bothering all of you....

No need for that.

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing manual installs. Sorry that you've been given a different (and wrong) impression. I think our friends here are being overly-enthusiastic in trying to help you by pushing you to BWP.

 

And, we haven't (yet) reached the stage where BWP will be required to use mods - and I hope it never will.

 

Still...unless you're both skilled and patient in dealing with the quirks and bugs and outright mistakes included in some mods, some of the BWP tools can really assist in getting a properly working game.

 

Let's see if we can help you with your current mod list...

After a long time decided to play again and begin to install in an old school way but i get an error on check the bodies install

 

Here is my weidu log so far..

// Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods// The top of the file is the 
'oldest' mod// ~TP2_File~ #language_number #component_number // 
[Subcomponent Name -> ] Component Name [ : 
Version]~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #0 // BG2 Fixpack - Core Fixes: 
v10~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #1001 // BG2 Fixpack - Game Text 
Update -> GTU Classic (from Baldurdash, by Kevin Dorner): 
v10~SETUP-BGT.TP2~ #0 #0 // Baldur's Gate Trilogy - Core: 1.17 (10 Apr 
13)~SETUP-TDD.TP2~ #0 #0 // The Darkest Day,  v1.14: 
v1.14~SETUP-SOS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Shadows Over Soubar: 1.13~SETUP-TS-BP.TP2~ 
#0 #0 // TORTURED SOULS v6.10 (BP Compatible Version)~SETUP-ROT.TP2~ #0 #0 
// Region Of Terror, v2.1

 

and here is exercpt from ctb log

Dealing with TOOLTIP.2DA ...
Copying and patching 1 file ...
ERROR: Cannot find 150 rows with at least 7 columns.ERROR: [TOOLTIP.2DA] 
-> [override] Patching Failed (COPY) (Failure("Cannot Set 2DA Entry"))
Stopping installation because of error.
ERROR Installing [Check The Bodies], rolling back to previous state
Unable to Unlink [CtB/backup/0/OTHER.0]: Unix.Unix_error(1, "unlink", 
"CtB/backup/0/OTHER.0")
Will uninstall 528 files for [SETUP-CTB.TP2] component 0.

 

Any clue on the situation? Thanks in advance...

 

This error might indeed be due to install order.

 

I suggest you look at the BWP Guide (for your language) and determine which is the best order for any mods. For your list, it is suggested that you do this:

(BiG World Fixpack - I'll talk about this is a moment)
G3 BG2 Fixpack
TDD
SoS
CtB
Tortured Souls
(Tethyr Forest Patch - I recommend this in case you want to install other mods in future; but it shouldn't hurt anything with your current list)
RoT
BGT
(BP BGT Worldmap -- this is required if you install even one of the BiG Quest Mods e.g SoS - you can't get away from this, I'm afraid.)

BiG World Fixpack will fix problems in mods and these fixes apply whether or not you're using BWP or some other mega-install or manual process. It represent what Ulb was saying: the hard work and contributions of members and players and testers and coders to locate and fix problems discovered in many-many mods.

 

I recommend you use it, as it will eliminate many&most of the problems in individual and collections of mod-installs.

 

 

So try the install list above, hopefully it'll work properly. If you find any other errors, just reply in this thread.

Edited by Azazello, 28 April 2013 - 03:36 AM.

[Ulb]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing manual installs. Sorry that you've been given a different (and wrong) impression. I think our friends here are being overly-enthusiastic in trying to help you by pushing you to BWP.

 

+

 

I suggest you look at the BWP Guide (for your language) and determine which is the best order for any mods. For your list, it is suggested that you do this:

 

+

 

 

 

BiG World Fixpack will fix problems in mods  [...] I recommend you use it, as it will eliminate many&most of the problems in individual and collections of mod-installs.

 

You are aware that the BWP isn't the BWS?

I must admit I feel slightly offended if you claim my advice was 'wrong' and then proceede to give the very same advice yourself.

[The Imp]

(BP BGT Worldmap -- this is required if you install even one of the BiG Quest Mods e.g SoS - you can't get away from this, I'm afraid.)

Erhm, what ? It's required if you have two, not one... as each one has their own little world map attached in their install process... well, except the TDD which has it's and then it requires/required this files as it makes/made changes to the files in question.

Yeah, I realize this was not the point of the post, but still I put this out here.

... apply whether or not you're using BWP or some other mega-install or manual process.

And again why are you referring to the BWP as a installable thing, it's not.
It's either BWI(as in using the BiG World Install.bat file) or BWS, never BWP. K, then there's also the BWF(as in just using the BiG World Fixpack.bat to run itself) and manually install the rest, I highly don't recommend this because there's features that change, and those features are not highlighted in the BWP manual... at least between versions, and there's old and unneeded marks in it as the whole guide would need to be rechecked every few mod updates, and that is today's shorter that the release schedule of the project actually due to quick fixes and found bugs etc..
And I'll make sure there will never be a BWP mod made for BG2 ...

What comes to the great work put into building the resources... it might be also helpful if they were referred correctly and thus had a good information on correct usage of them.

[Azazello]

Goodness! It must be Sensitive Sunday...

 

I stand by what I wrote, and I reinstate it, hopefully in simpler form, for those folks who have difficulty in following simple facts:

 

We (the Collective 'We', not the royal one) should not be intimidating or ridiculing or insulting users into using BWP.

(WE shouldn't be intimidating or ridiculing or insulting them, period.)

 

We can recommend BWP, praise it to the high heavens -- but If people don't want to use it, then we either help, or move on.

 

The user wants to go a manual route. Can you advise on that? No? Then make your recommendations, and leave it for others to assist.

 

(You can be semantic :cough: all you like about terms -- BWP is what it's commonly known as, 'BWP' is the term that's commonly used, BWP is what I will use for general discussion and explanation.

(Instead of being pedantic, be precise and concise about which parts of BWP you're talking about. That is what I did.)

 

BiG World Fixpack will fix problems in mods  [...] I recommend you use it, as it will eliminate many&most of the problems in individual and collections of mod-installs.

 

You are aware that the BWP isn't the BWS?

I must admit I feel slightly offended if you claim my advice was 'wrong' and then proceede to give the very same advice yourself.

 

If you think I offended you, I'm sorry for you confusion.

 

If you think my post is saying exactly what you were, you should reread what both you & I wrote. And what the member is asking for.

 

And you really shouldn't spell-/grammar check other people's posts.

At least, not until you do your own.

[Ulb]

I really don't want to turn this into a flame war, so I'll try to clarify things one last time and then move away – no feelings hurt, no grudges kept, at least on my part.

 

1. I'm very aware of the fact that my grammar and my spelling are everything but perfect and I'm pretty sure I never did 'grammar check' other people's postings. If you refer to the underlined 'friends' in my quotation, I only did that to stress the fact that you included me (since it's plural) when you were talking about wrong advices. (Also, to my knowledge, that isn't a misspelling or grammar error.)

 

 

(You can be semantic :cough: all you like about terms -- BWP is what it's commonly known as, 'BWP' is the term that's commonly used, BWP is what I will use for general discussion and explanation.

(Instead of being pedantic, be precise and concise about which parts of BWP you're talking about. That is what I did.)

 

 

2. The BWP, no matter what you want it to refer to, is NOT just a batch installer. If we (and with me, I mean me and maybe the Imp, thought one can never be to sure about that one.. ) talk about the BWP that includes the BWP Installation Guide and every fix and patch made for the BWP.

 

 

The user wants to go a manual route. Can you advise on that? No? Then make your recommendations, and leave it for others to assist.

 

 

Maybe you should heed your own advice and re-read what the member is asking for, as well as what I wrote.

He isn't in trouble because of not-using the BWP batch installer, his installation is messed up because he just didn't bother to read the 'BWP Guide', neither did he use the 'BWP Fixpack'.

 

I told him to do just that, as did you.

 

I am well aware that our 'dispute' is caused by a differing definition of the term BWP, so I'll finish with quoting Leonardo Watson:

 

Sometime I stumbled upon a clue to BP and BGT (non WeiDU). When these appeared then in a WeiDU version, the
conditions for bigger megamods were created. After erebusant has published his first megamod instructions, I began
after careful analyses of the single mods with the development of my own megamod with reproducible instructions
whose most current version you have now before yourself.

[...]

The BiG World Project is an extensive package with instructions, downloader, installer, bug-fixes and text-patches
(only in the German edition), that allows a smoothly and faultless installation. [...]

 

*edit*

 

So if you're reading a 'BWP Guide' you are using the BWP.

If you're installing a 'BWP Fixpack' you are using the BWP.

 

Edited by Ulb, 28 April 2013 - 09:56 AM.