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Started by Mageofthesands, Dec 06 2012 11:49 AM

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#1 Mageofthesands

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 11:49 AM

BGEE got me into the mood for Baldur's Gate again, and while I love it's interface, I'm too used to modded games. And I decided to do something different this time around. In all these years, I never really did a MegaMod install, just some select individual things. (Mostly g3 tweaks to the game, some ppg npcs, and old Wiemer standbys. And eSeries) I've read and reread a bunch of things before grabbing the Big World Setup. I choose Standard, and let it do it's work. I got to say, it's a lot easier than spending hours hunting down and downloading the mods myself. (The BWS I used was the 20121202 one, if that matters)

The first game experience was, well interesting. I noticed that BPseries installed with the standard, and was excited as I read it's an extension of eSeries, my script of choice for many years. Plus I read that BPseries as support for some custom mod items, like the charming rogue class kit for Imoen. I am reminded of a certain NWN2 AI upgrade author and a Spell & class revision author that are in a cycle of supporting each other. I've had good luck with that, and hope the same would be true here. Selecting a BPseries script causes game to crash. Okay, well, I read that Big Picture items aren't compatible with SCS and SCSII. I just figured if standard installed components of each, than it might work. I also noticed that my armor is weird, but now I know what mod that is so I don't install it next time. I goofed around the early areas of BG1, and while I noticed an increase in difficulty, it wasn't so bad. Until I got to Beregost and got slaughtered by a bunch of archers with frost arrows. Had to resort to cheat codes to kill them after several reloads. (Now I know not to install that npc. Creepy kid npc) Skie, of all people, wrecked me, but I prevailed. Overall, so far, BG1 is okay.

I tried starting a BGII game, and was killed in the cage in Irenicious' dungeon by some shadow thieves. I couldn't attack them, couldn't open the cage, just a quick death. Even after cheat killing them, I was left in the cage, no one coming to open it. What mod added that in?

ToB was not good. A balor camps one of the heads and easily wrecks me. Doesn't help that the only weapon in the bag that could hurt him is the Stonefire, but there's not much that can do against a teleporting, telekinetic devil with firestorms. Many reloads later, and I cheat kill him. Only to get jumped by the reavers. I seemed to recall in the old days that they didn't come in a pack if you didn't import a party from BGII. Well, again I cheat killed past that part, got to the pocket plane, summoned some guys. Then I get jumped by Yuan-ti, which I again had to use cheats to get through. Game crashes after Imoen gives me Yuan-ti boots, every time.

I tried reinstalling, using Big World Setups' restore mode. I tried a lite test install doing just recommended. This time I checked everything labeled BP and unchecked all SCS items. (I really want an eSeries like script) Again, game crashes when I select BPseries AI. I don't understand why it doesn't work, as there is no SCS installed.

So, time for questions. Mostly what to install, and work out the kinks. Again, I've tried reading up on the forums here and elsewhere, but still have questions. First, I don't mind additional challenge. I do mind getting shanked in jail, or being attacked in "safe zones" without a warning. I tried Weimer's tactics mods back when that was new (v2 or 3) and it was not to my taste. If default BG difficulty is 5 on a scale of 1-10, I wouldn't mind trying a 7. If my enemies are smarter, I want my party smarter too. For that reason, I think I want BPseries.
What mods should I try to avoid? I am well aware that a large megamod will have a lot of chaff in it, especially when it comes to npcs. That's part of it's charm, a wild ride seeing the good and bad. I just don't want that ride ruined by something that's really out there. (I'm looking at you, Full Plate)

Thanks for the feedback.

#2 Lollorian

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:38 PM

Frost Archers:
They're probably Black Talon Elites that some mod decided to buff up to 'standards' :lol: (BP or SCS most probably)

Shadow Thieves and the Cage:
No clue about this :ph34r:

Balor near the Heads:
Freedom's Reign/ Reign of Virtue adds this and he has a very nice ring ^_^... I always Ctrl+Y'ed him when I have to test out ToB toons :P

Brotip: Choose a BWP Standard install over Tactics or (god forbid) Expert :D And choose SCS over BP for now because there have been reports of BP's scripts causing NPCs/quests to not complete (BP's author is very active though and updating the mod soon :))

Also, Ctrl+J, Ctrl+Y, Ctrl+R and the CLUAConsole are your bestest friends... don't hesitate to use them when all else fails :)

The file called the WeiDU.log lists all the mods you install so people can help you debug stuff that makes you cry :P Here's mine (and it works like a charm ^_^)

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Yes, it's around 5 months old but still stable :cheers:

Mods to avoid for a first timer: Check out the mods in the "Rules and Tweaks" sections (BG1 and BG2) and uncheck as you see fit :P

Edited by Lollorian, 06 December 2012 - 08:41 PM.

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#3 TDouglas

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 02:09 PM

And, just so ya know, the eseries was updated not too long ago, and works like a charm (I use it myself). Atweaks also has some scripts I use (mostly the simple thief script -- you can set your thief to either be checking for traps or hiding in shadows but still attack incoming enemies ... to me, it gets annoying constantly seeing the line about hiding in shadows in the bar every five seconds).

#4 Jarno Mikkola

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 02:39 PM

And, just so ya know, the eseries was updated not too long ago...

Hmm, does the vanilla BWS find it ? Or do we need to find it somewhere, and where is that... :clown:

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#5 TDouglas

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 02:18 AM

My idea of "not too long ago" is generally within a one year period :whistling: I'm pretty sure the BWS would already know about the latest G3 version, but I don't think I've ever seen it on the menus (I do manual installs, but I follow the big world install PDF to do it).

#6 Lollorian

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:34 AM

If the mod ain't listed here, the BWS can't see it :P So because eSeries isn't in there... yeah Jarno's right :D

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#7 Mageofthesands

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 06:07 AM

eSeries updated? Oh, joyous news. Dare I run it's installer with BWP installed, or do it manually like the old days?

I've reinstalled BWP, and I think I have a good install. It's working well.

Speaking of old days, refresh my memory. I've been trying to explain the Baldur's Gate modding to younger kids (by which I mean 30 year old men who never heard of modding) and I'm trying to remember something from the days when the Black Isle Forums were still around. I remember Forgotten Wars Project, and there was another site. One became Pocket Planar Group, and the other one this place. Which was which, and what was the other place called?
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