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[micbaldur]

Now that Ninde ToB is coming (thanks Kaeloree) i think is time to ask if others have problems with Ellesime dialogue after defeating Jon Irenicus at hell.

Here's the problems i have encountered previously. Haven't played this yet in my current game (i'm still at chapter 2 in SoA) but looking at SUELLE2.DLG-file problems are still there.

When you wake up Ellesime dialogue start. Then you get RE (Romantic Encounters) "quality" time with Ellesime. After that start the ceremony and after some talks start TDD Mega quest.

Problems are that you should get Saerileth wedding, Deheriana's restoration (Kivan mod) and Ninde's soul restoration during that dialogue but they never happen.

I think that RE is blocking Saerileth wedding and Deheriana's restoration but i'm not sure. As for Ninde i don't know what's wrong.

I also notice that Aeon has some dialogues there but i don't know are there any problems.

Maybe some modder/fixer could check this problem. (Well... maybe Lollorian )

Here's change-log from SUELLE2.DLG:

Spoiler

[WeiDU.exe] WeiDU version 23102
This is a non-stable version. Unless you're sure about what you're doing, consider downgrading.
[WeiDU.exe] Using scripting style "BG2"
override/SUELLE2.dlg
override/SUELLE2.dlg Kivan/backup/0/SUELLE2.dlg
override/SUELLE2.dlg ninde/backup/0/SUELLE2.dlg
override/SUELLE2.dlg Saerileth\backup/0/SUELLE2.dlg
override/SUELLE2.dlg Aeon\backup/0/SUELLE2.dlg
override/SUELLE2.dlg RE/Backup/43/SUELLE2.dlg
override/SUELLE2.DLG
override/SUELLE2.DLG

Mods affecting SUELLE2.DLG:
00000: /* from game biffs */ ~SETUP-TDD.TP2~ 0 0 // The Darkest Day, v1.14: v1.14
00001: ~SETUP-KIVAN.TP2~ 0 0 // Kivan of Shilmista: v13
00002: ~NINDE/NINDE.TP2~ 0 0 // Ninde NPC Mod for BGII: SoA: v1.1
00003: ~SAERILETH/SETUP-SAERILETH.TP2~ 0 0 // Saerileth Romance Mod (BG2:SoA & TOB NPC) created by nethrin and Sillara: v16
00004: ~AEON/SETUP-AEON.TP2~ 0 0 // Aeon - BG2
00005: ~RE/SETUP-RE.TP2~ 0 43 // The Queen, by Domi
00006: /* acted upon in an indetectable manner */~GENERALIZED_BIFFING/GENERALIZED_BIFFING.TP2~ 0 0 // Generalized Biffing: v2.1
00007: /* acted upon in an indetectable manner */~GENERALIZED_BIFFING/GENERALIZED_BIFFING.TP2~ 0 0 // Generalized Biffing: v2.1

Here are the files:
 SUELLE2.00001.DLG   3.08K   319 downloads
 SUELLE2.00002.DLG   7.77K   305 downloads
 SUELLE2.00003.DLG   10.42K   318 downloads
 SUELLE2.00004.DLG   10.96K   322 downloads
 SUELLE2.00005.DLG   11.16K   325 downloads

Edited by micbaldur, 06 November 2012 - 10:10 AM.

[Lollorian]

It might help a bit if you convert those DLGs into readable Ds

1. Copy all of them XXXX.DLGs to your BGII folder (where there's a chitin.key file)
2. Make sure there's a weidu.exe in that same folder
3. Run the attached .bat in that folder (extract the .7z)
4. You'll get 5 new .D files that you can open using notepad that you can attach here (so we can actually read what those dialogues say )

Attached Files

•  run_me.7z   158bytes   272 downloads

[micbaldur]

Sorry about xxx.dlg and xxx.d thing.

I know nothing about modding.

Here are the xxx.d files.

 SUELLE2.00001.d   9.08K   291 downloads
 SUELLE2.00002.d   15.06K   310 downloads
 SUELLE2.00003.d   23K   253 downloads
 SUELLE2.00004.d   24.26K   320 downloads
 SUELLE2.00005.d   24.51K   267 downloads

I'd be grateful if you can do something about this problem.

I think that it's not bug in those mods, it's probably BWP compability problem.

Edited by micbaldur, 07 November 2012 - 11:35 AM.

[Lollorian]

Thanks for D-ifying them micbaldur

I was wondering whether you had a means to quickly test out any changes I try to make in SUELLE2.DLG (like a save right before those talks trigger or something)

Also, can you list a rough idea of the dialogue tree that you get and choose? From that start I mean... the quality time and stuff? Actual lines would be great but not necessary (just note down big and important words that can help pinpoint which dialogue fired for you )

Sorry about all that

PS: Is your game stuck because of this btw? You should feel free to continue onwards (but keep that pre-Ellesime savegame ready for debugging )

[micbaldur]

Thanks for D-ifying them micbaldur

I was wondering whether you had a means to quickly test out any changes I try to make in SUELLE2.DLG (like a save right before those talks trigger or something)

Also, can you list a rough idea of the dialogue tree that you get and choose? From that start I mean... the quality time and stuff? Actual lines would be great but not necessary (just note down big and important words that can help pinpoint which dialogue fired for you )

Sorry about all that

PS: Is your game stuck because of this btw? You should feel free to continue onwards (but keep that pre-Ellesime savegame ready for debugging )

Well.... I'm still at chapter 2 in SoA and have to visit Dragha, Bremen and other places at north (Drizzt quest), Hlondeth and Sylmar before i start chapter 3. So long way to chapter 3 not mentioning the ceremony at Suldanessellar.

So my game isn't stuck because of it and you can bypass it easily. It's not game breaking incompability at least for Saerileth and Ninde (no ToB part yet). I don't know what happens to Deheriana in ToB if she doesn't get restored.

This dialogue problem has been at two previous BWP installs, have shortly told about it my old topic here.

I was mostly thinking about my next BWP install after Ninde ToB is released sometime in the future. So no hurry fixing this if it's possible.

So probably the quick testing is little difficult.

[micbaldur]

Here's how dialogue probably goes as far as i remember.

Spoiler

Ah... I see that you have finally come to. I almost did not believe it when the priestesses told me that your body was showing signs of life once again.

We resurrected who we could, but it seemed nothing would draw your spirit back. We were about to give up when you began to stir this morning.

H-how... how long was I...?

Dead? A couple of days, no more. However you managed to find your way back, it is good that you have done so.

Global("RE_Suelle2Interject2","GLOBAL",0)
Gender(Player1,MALE)

I came to see you before I have to appear in my official capacity, son of Bhaal. We have little time, for my people are preparing a grand ceremony to celebrate our victory over Irenicus and Bodhi.

I am flattered by your attention, Queen Ellesime.

And I am delighted that I have yours.

My people tell me that you have had a short season to come to terms with your divine background. I have had a few elven lifetimes, and still it is a burden.

You were a golden queen in the magic forest. Do not turn into a woman bent by her unusual fate. Please.

You reminded me of Joneleth just now... not Irenicus as you knew him, but my Joneleth. And I could never divulge if that was the golden part or the queen that mattered the most to my impetuous lover.

I think you deceive yourself if you still do not have this answer.

No. I just do not want to give it a thought, to make the answer take a shape, at least until...

(Ellesime pauses, unsure what to say next. The golden nimbus of her hair grows larger as she lowers her head. It recedes like a moon, as she rises her chin, and her huge mysterious eyes fix upon your face.)

I suppose that I will tell all that needs to be told when we meet again, and I speak in my official capacity.

Words, yes, they can be given at a ceremony. But a kiss...

But a kiss cannot. You are quite a gambler, <CHARNAME>, to say that to a queen who has you entirely in her power.

Still, if we do not forgive the bold their trespasses, we will surround ourselves with the feeble.

(She kisses you thoroughly. At first, the realization that this is the woman whom you first met as a clone, mysterious and violent, in the darkest dungeon of your adventuring career; the woman who once loved a man who took your soul; the woman who is the queen of an elven nation that you saved, overshadows the sensation of the first kiss.)

(But gradually every fiber of your being becomes aware of it, putting you on the brink of pleasant dizziness. Finally, Ellesime's mouth draws away from yours, leaving a cool, refreshing taste on your lips. A moment later you feel that there is spice and heat to it, too.)

Ellesime, do not withdraw now. (Stroke her back and thigh.)

(In complete silence, the Queen slips back toward you, and together you unravel the layers of silk that stand between you. Ellesime is tender and cautious with you rather than passionate, according much thought to your injuries. You can see a worried wrinkle between her arching brows to smooth away, while she enjoys your closeness. The only abrupt move comes, when she leaves the bed to come away to the window and take a breath of fresh air.)

(Ellesime's hair spills down to her ankles in a golden cascade, against the slim and gracious curve of her back. She fumbles to pin it up and regain her dress, then, visibly calmer, goes back to retrieve her discarded dress from where it fell by the side of the bed. The tiny bare feet make no sound on the warm floors of some honey-colored wood.)

(She finally speaks, and her voice is even and sad.)

That was wrong, of course. Or perhaps what was wrong is that I have not waited for you long enough, through the centuries I lived. Who knows.

(Gently.) I will leave you to your rest now.

StartCutScene("cut59b")

Those of you who have survived the return of the Exile to Suldanessellar know me, your Queen... but only some of you know the hero beside me who was most instrumental in saving our city and the Tree of Life.

Such selfless acts almost resulted in the loss of your life, and perhaps much more than that.

There is no reward adequate enough for one who has done so much. Let us offer, then, the eternal thanks of our people... and an Amulet of the Seldarine to remind you forever that you are welcome here amongst us.
As for the man whom we once knew as Joneleth, I can only say that he died...long ago. He lives in my memory still.

To the man he became... the Exile, Irenicus... he who performed atrocities on you, the Tree and his former people... to him I can only send my prayer that he finds the peace in death he never found in life.

I feel I must... apologize... on his behalf. For what he put you and your friends through. For his madness, we stripped Joneleth of his elven immortality and exiled him... only to create Irenicus, instead.

I cannot help but feel sorry for what Irenicus has done to you. Perhaps I can offer something that will help reconcile.

You have come far from Candlekeep, and I have arranged a deal with a friend of mine. He will teleport you back to your home... if you choose to go there, that is.

Yes, I would like to visit my home once again. Maybe I will see some old friends...

Excellent. I will summon the wizard right away for you.

StartCutScene("DDwarp01")

You also don't get Amulet of Seldarine like you should.

Edited by micbaldur, 07 November 2012 - 10:20 PM.

[micbaldur]

As possible clarification i like to add that there are two others branches at Ellesime dialogue.

I'm using Infinity Explorer v 0.85.

After Ellesime says "Dead? A couple of days, no more. However you managed to find your way back, it is good that you have done so."

There 3 branches with conditions:

1) ReputationLT(Player1,10)

2) ReputationGT(Player1,9)

3) Global("RE_Suelle2Interject2","GLOBAL",0)
Gender(Player1,MALE)

Behind branches 1 and 2 are restoration of Deheriana (Kivan mod) and Saerileth wedding. Both braches ends to StartCutScene("cut59b").

Branch 3 also ends to StartCutScene("cut59b").

Well possible solution is not installing RE's Queen Ellesime component. Well it might make sense that you don't get Saerileth wedding after some "quality" time with Ellesime but it doesn't make sense why Deheriana's restoration doesn't happen even if spend some "quality" time.

As for Ninde problem i don't have any clue why it's missing. There aren't any Ninde dialogues in SUELLE2.dlg file maybe TDD has something to do with it. I don't know.

There are some Ninde related dialogues in SUELLE2.dlg when i look at it with DLTC Editor Pro v7.4g but i don't know how use it. Maybe later i will or not.

[micbaldur]

So nobody else has these problems, i guess these are then my local BWP expert-install problems.

[rbx4]

During testing, I had those problems. Generally, Ninde's scene and RE would work if Saerileth, Kivan, and RE were installed. Only RE would work if The Darkest Day was installed. I couldn't remember what is supposed to happen with suelle2 and Kivan, but it never happened.

 

I'm not going to make any guesses on a possible solution. With Ninde, you automatically get the "good" ending variable in ToB if you didn't end get the branch in SoA. If anyone's curious, Saerileth gets her wedding variable, even though her branch does not occur.

[micbaldur]

During testing, I had those problems. Generally, Ninde's scene and RE would work if Saerileth, Kivan, and RE were installed. Only RE would work if The Darkest Day was installed. I couldn't remember what is supposed to happen with suelle2 and Kivan, but it never happened.

 

I'm not going to make any guesses on a possible solution. With Ninde, you automatically get the "good" ending variable in ToB if you didn't end get the branch in SoA. If anyone's curious, Saerileth gets her wedding variable, even though her branch does not occur.

Yes, only RE with Ellesime is working for me.

 

I have played Ninde and Saerileth many times over these several years before this BWP came out so i know those scenes went. But it would be nice if they work in BWP expert-install also.

 

I don't know anything about Kivan and Deheriana, i haven't played them before BWP.

 

You don't get Amulet of Seldarine from Ellesime and that's very bad.   I like items very much.

[Kaeloree]

Unfortunately, TDD completely alters Ellesime's dialogue by splitting it up and never going back to the original end, which causes all sorts of problems.

Without significantly altering the intention of TDD's ending, it's pretty difficult to make them compatible with other mods that change Ellesime's dialogue. As it is, they might just have to remain incompatible.

[micbaldur]

Well... then i have to live with this problem.  

 

I can't live without BWP expert-install and TDD, Saerileth and Ninde mods.

[micbaldur]

I made test install with "fixed" TDD (thanks 10th) and Kivan, Ninde, Saerileth and Romatic Encounters mods.

 

My earlier analysis of the problem was partly wrong. TDD doens't break Kivan and Saerileth mods but Romantic Encounters component "The Queen, by Domi" does break them.

 

TDD breaks Ninde restoration.

 

So Kivan and Saerileth can be installed with TDD but Ninde can't without "fix".

 

Romantic Encounters component "The Queen, by Domi" can't be installed with Kivan and Saerileth at least without some kind fix but i don't know how fix d-files.

[jastey]

I already posted the incompatibility into the RE forum, thank you for the report!

 

Although I am confused: Would the compatibility be restored if RE was installed first - I didn't check the code, but the mod installed first would interject last, so this should restore compatibility? Isn't the install order -first RE, then NPC mods- not the recommended one, anyway (considering some mods might have RE related crossmoc content)?

[micbaldur]

I already posted the incompatibility into the RE forum, thank you for the report!

 

Although I am confused: Would the compatibility be restored if RE was installed first - I didn't check the code, but the mod installed first would interject last, so this should restore compatibility? Isn't the install order -first RE, then NPC mods- not the recommended one, anyway (considering some mods might have RE related crossmoc content)?

Yes, you are right but Leonardo Watson has decided the install order in BWP so it's up to him to change it or not to change it.

 

Alien and co-authors decide what BWS does.

Edited by micbaldur, 08 March 2015 - 05:04 AM.

[Bill Bisco]

Has this been fixed?

[micbaldur]

Has this been fixed?

BWS has been fixed by changing install order RE first then Kivan and Saerileth.

 

Leonardo hasn't change install order yet in BWP bat-install but i did in my bat-file.

 

Ninde and TDD incompability probably hasn't fixed. There is workaround which 10th introduced earlier and i use it on my BWP bat-install.

[micbaldur]

Shit this after making test install with BWP 15.0.2 install order (RE first and then Kivan and Saerileth) doesn't fix this problem.

 

So as far as i know Kivan v 14 (v 15 doesn't install on BWP bat-file, it probably won't matter in this case) and Saerileth are still incompatible with RE component "The Queen, by Domi" unless RE get fixed.