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[Andrea C.]

Since when liking BG:EE automatically qualifies anyone as "dev fluffer"?

[Aranthys]

The shills are emboldened! There's nowhere decent to actually discuss games anymore. The testimonials from dev fluffers are so transparent and never address the real criticisms.

You're right, Silver. This isn't worth $20 unless you absolutely need it on your tablet (I hear GemRB weeping). I've seen no fixes that aren't already implemented elsewhere. I'm meh on the new content since none of them have any pedigree for it (NWN OC was absolute shit, led by Oster) and I don't need more NPCs, especially ones trying to get into my virtual pants (romances in BG? Really?). If they had done something to actually make the game better, I'd be all over it.

Actually, the abundance of fixpacks & "stuff fixing" mods at the moment is bad and user unfriendly.
Having all these fixes integrated in the core game, at the very least, is good, and worth of a few $ by itself.

No longer having to rely on Widescreen is also a nice perk, as is all of the updates to the UI & scalable / zoom. Regarding the romances getting into your virtual pants, guess what ? Romances were part of BG2, and were considered one of its perks.
Lots of people like romances. Myself, I could care less, but in a game, you have to appeal to everyone.

It's not like 20 bucks is a lot of money anyway...

[Almateria]

Every person liking BGEE is objectively terrible.

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Edited by Eleima, 02 August 2012 - 04:45 AM.

[cmorgan]

Oi.. I resemble that remark !

[GeN1e]

So far, no game resources have been altered: CamDawg, who is a member of the beta testing team together with several other modders, said he saw nothing to worry him and the devs have been very responsive to modders' concerns.

Just because it didn't worry Cam, doesn't mean it won't worry others. I hope there will be a fully documented list of changes when EE is out.

Trolling, astroturfing, or just plain old ignorance? I can't decide...

Trolling, astroturfing, or just plain old ignorance? I can't decide...

Oi.. I resemble that remark !

Who gives a damn about trollhaters. Let them stroke their tiny egos, I say, nobody cares for their opinion anyway

Edited by GeN1e, 01 August 2012 - 10:17 AM.

[Andrea C.]

Just because it didn't worry Cam, doesn't mean it won't worry others. I hope there will be a fully documented list of changes when EE is out.

I believe the devs have already committed to that The fact the Cam saw nothing to worry him is at least a good start.

[Daulmakan]

"Dev fluffer" should never fall out of use.

I'm still very underwhelmed by the whole thing. The technical stuff they're providing looks neat moddingwise, but is utterly insignificant from a purely gaming perspective given its use and the mods currently available, for free. New content is a question mark, but the NWN background doesn't fill me with anything positive. And it's not about the price, US$20 is not THAT much, it's about the value. A few unnecesary tech tweaks and some minor added content to a more than a decade old game by a neophyte company is not worth 20 bucks IMO. Stuff like Wasteland 2 or Dead State was available for less than that, and those are/will be new, full games.

At the end, the one that likes it (or not) buys (or not) and that's it, but given that this initiative is allegedly related to making another BG game, I don't think they're making a good case for that at all. We'll see.

[Ascension64]

So far, no game resources have been altered: CamDawg, who is a member of the beta testing team together with several other modders, said he saw nothing to worry him and the devs have been very responsive to modders' concerns.

Just because it didn't worry Cam, doesn't mean it won't worry others. I hope there will be a fully documented list of changes when EE is out.

I imagine this is a job that will end up being not for the devs, but for the die-hard modding fans.

[Argumentative]

Underwhelmed by BG:EE so far. When they called it Enhanced Edition, I hoped they would improve the story a bit. (Any Paladin should immediately fall after the Gorion death cut-scene, because he ran away without assisting his own father in great peril!) I hoped they would fix stuff like that and make it less blatantly and illogically rail-roadish. (Oh, my dad died. Let me faff about in these yonder mines not even in the same country I grew up all my life in, as surely this will lead to his killer) The Nashkel chapter starting cut-scene even has the narrator saying you have no bloody clue how this relates to your current predicament but Gorion would totally want you to do this.

Instead, they just did stuff that the modding community has been working on for a decade now. Romances? Jaheira romance made me want to punch my monitor and it is un-installable, unlike badly written fan mods. And the graphics update hurts my eyes. Aparently the contract for working on EE prohibits them from changing anything story or dialogue wise. So what's the point?

[Eleima]

Just another warning, personal attacks will not be tolerated. You can be wary of BG:EE all you like, discuss the pros and cons of it.
But no personal attacks.

[Vicen]

Regardless of all the chit chat here I am still going to give it a try...Like many have said $20 USD is really not that much...So there is not much to lose and a lot to gain...Now if this were a regular 50 or 60 USD game I sure as hell would wait for the reviews and what not...But since it's BG (and decently cheap) I am willing to let that slide and give them a shot to see what they are made of!

[Zander]

For what it'w worth, here's my take: I run a win 7 64-bit, nVidia GTX8800, 1920x1200 monitor (which doesn't like 4:3 settings at all) intel quad-core system, which doesn't run the original discs properly - graphics issues mostly, but some wierd CTDs. If the EE will run correctly on my sistem, I'll happily buy it.

Mods? I used the fix packs, but I can live without them if I have to, although nothing I have read so far says that mods won't work.

I'd rather pay for a re-issue of a game which will run on a modern system than maintain a second PC to run my older games, of which there are quite a few. Bethesda and Lucas Arts, I'm looking at you!

[Ascension64]

Underwhelmed by BG:EE so far. When they called it Enhanced Edition, I hoped they would improve the story a bit. (Any Paladin should immediately fall after the Gorion death cut-scene, because he ran away without assisting his own father in great peril!) I hoped they would fix stuff like that and make it less blatantly and illogically rail-roadish. (Oh, my dad died. Let me faff about in these yonder mines not even in the same country I grew up all my life in, as surely this will lead to his killer) The Nashkel chapter starting cut-scene even has the narrator saying you have no bloody clue how this relates to your current predicament but Gorion would totally want you to do this.

Instead, they just did stuff that the modding community has been working on for a decade now. Romances? Jaheira romance made me want to punch my monitor and it is un-installable, unlike badly written fan mods. And the graphics update hurts my eyes. Aparently the contract for working on EE prohibits them from changing anything story or dialogue wise. So what's the point?

At the same time, The Witcher 2 : EE did nothing to change the story and core gameplay, but added some content to the final act and a new intro movie.

[Yovaneth]

I'd rather pay for a re-issue of a game which will run on a modern system than maintain a second PC to run my older games, of which there are quite a few. Bethesda and Lucas Arts, I'm looking at you!

VirtualPC? It's free from Microsoft and does a reasonable job of running older versions of Windows on 64-bit systems. As you'd expect...

-Y-

[Argumentative]

At the same time, The Witcher 2 : EE did nothing to change the story and core gameplay, but added some content to the final act and a new intro movie.

I guess I am just spoiled by Thief: Gold edition. That game really fleshed the original out and was well worth buying what's essentially an add-on pack for a game I already played a few times. So when people say they are enhancing a game, I hope they are improving what's an established world and giving it more life, closing plot-holes and taking the immersion up a notch. The enhanced version should feel just like the original, only better. Instead this sounds like an expansion pack like ToTSC with a graphics upgrade that I am not really sure is an upgrade

Having said that, I might find myself buying this thing, just the same. It's just that based on what's been show so far, a couple of games on GoG.com are currently on the list ahead of BG:EE for me. To each his own, I guess

[hook71]

So when people say they are enhancing a game, I hope they are improving what's an established world and giving it more life, closing plot-holes and taking the immersion up a notch. The enhanced version should feel just like the original, only better. Instead this sounds like an expansion pack like ToTSC with a graphics upgrade that I am not really sure is an upgrade

Why not post your ideas on the BGEE Forum? Giving the developers good input is the best way of ensuring you get what you want.

[Almateria]

And the Witcher 2 EE was free! Those asshole developers, not charging money for their own gamr!

Anyway, it baffles me you people think BG is worth 20$, I don't even know how to argue with that stance. I'm out of gere, have fun with your future astigmatism.

[Tempest]

Mod reminder: please keep things civil and refrain from personal attacks on other posters. Those who want BGEE will get it. Those who don't will still have or can get BG1, with Trilogy, Tutu, or other mods as they prefer.

[Kwiat_W]

At the same time, The Witcher 2 : EE did nothing to change the story and core gameplay, but added some content to the final act and a new intro movie.

Most reviewers and many players thought that the final act was the weakest part of the game, that it was to short and the game didn't have a proper conclusion. So they expanded the 3rd act by adding new quests (which don't change the main storyline but add to it) and an epilogue (after ME3 nobody can't say it's nothing).
(EE added more cinematics than just the intro - 7, not counting the epilogue)
They improved what their fans wanted them to be improve - I think that's the way to do an enhanced edition.

In contrast I never thought that BG1 needs another joinable NPC, or an arena mode. I always wanted a better UI (i could kill for a shared inventory, like the one in DAO), but Beamdog haven't yet released any info on that.

What's the most important when you compare TW2EE and BG1EE is that the first one is completely free, the second isn't (which is fine, but it's still an important factor).

[Argumentative]

Why not post your ideas on the BGEE Forum? Giving the developers good input is the best way of ensuring you get what you want.

I want Gorion's death cut-scene altered along these lines:

Spoiler

Gorion: Let's hurry child, the night can only get worse. Don't worry, I will explain everything as soon as there is time. Wait! We are in an ambush!
Lone assailant : We have no quarrel with you old man, leave the boy/girl and run away or you will die unnecessarily.
Gorion : Ha! I did not dedicate my life to raising my child just to run away when threatened by a brigand.
*Casts hold person. Assailant is held*
Gorion : Quick child....
*Gorion gets backstabbed and gets gibbed by a thief that emerges from shadows*
*Imoen yells a curse and in turn steps out of the shadows to back stab the thief who killed Gorion*
Imoen : I am so sorry! I got here as fast as I could when I heard shouts. I am really sorry about Gorion. What should we do with that guy over there?
*Imoen joins the party and player gets control with the assailant still held from Gorion's spell, Gorion gibbed (closes the resurrection loophole since his body was still on the ground in the original game), his stuff's on the ground and the thief who killed Gorion has a letter signed by Sarevok mentioning Baldur's Gate or something along those lines to actually give the player a solid reason to solve the troubles in the reason and to open access to the city.

The changes I want are along these lines. Tightening the story telling, improving dialogue so Jaheira and Khaleid's joining banter doesn't amount to "Oops! Your dad died, huh? Sorry about that kiddo. Hey! We are going to clear out some mines, wanna be our meatshield?". Stuff like that.

But that's not possible because:

"1. Altering the dialog of the old joinable characters

-We can't do this

2. Altering the dialog of encounterable npc's in the campaign, including minor ones

-small scale text only changes are possible.

I am not exactly whining that BG : EE isn't made to please me. Merely commenting that it isn't an enhanced edition (which should actually enhance the gameplay experience of the original) but is more like an expansion pack. I already dread the mega mod marathons I do of this game and don't really care for more fluff.

Having said that, I am not bashing the work they are doing. If people enjoy this, great! As I said, I might buy this myself. Eventually...