111 replies to this topic

[micbaldur]

Siitä sitten vaan, mä alotin, jatka ihan miten haluat.
 

Well maybe not in public, others might get paranoid what we are talking.

[The Imp]

Well maybe not in public, others might get paranoid what we are talking.

Noh mitä, mitä mitä ? PS mä editoin sitä posti aika runsaasti jälkikäteen...

[micbaldur]

Siitä sitten vaan, mä alotin, jatka ihan miten haluat.
Mutta ihan totisesti, kakkos pelin ideana on päästä vapauteen ensinnäkin, sitten pelastaa Imoen, ja sitten kostaa Irenikukselle, mä en näe tilaisuutta ilkutella 50+päivää ihan vaan mennä kattelemaan missä päin on tullu asuttua ja niin edespäin.
 

Joo onhan se niinkin mutta kun on monia romansseja ja modattuja alueita pelattavana ennenkuin voi mennä Spellholdiin (vie paljon enemmän aikaa kuin 50 päivää). Lisäksi Planar Sphere puolittaa matka ajat. Chapter 3:ssa on pakko ilkutella/katella maaseutua romanssien takia (Sime, Ninde ja Fade).
 
En minä välttämättä halua vierailla BG1 alueilla. Ihmettelin vain silloin miksi niilä ei voi vierailla BG2:ssa kun jämähdin Ulcasteriin kun NEJ loppui (nyt Hrothgar teleporttaa porukan City Gatesiin).

[micbaldur]

Noh mitä, mitä mitä ? PS mä editoin sitä posti aika runsaasti jälkikäteen...
 

Huomasin ja vastasin siihen.

Edited by micbaldur, 01 December 2013 - 04:09 PM.

[The Imp]

Looking forward that mod of yours. Any estimated ETA of that mod (maybe for christmas).

Darn that's a challenge... I won't promise a thing, but will try a few things ... no ETA's
Ouh and thanks for the inspiration of ideas.

Now to recap our Finnish conversation, I am of the mind that as the game is build around the idea that the player in in a kind of hurry(to rescue Imoen and then get your soul back), there shouldn't be that much time to go to just go on a walkout ...
micbaldur's opposite opinon is that the game has fairly enough extra content as it is, so this could be allowed ... and it has romances that also need time.
Both are valid...

[The Imp]

Did I ever say I hate adding dialog in mods   .... uhh... I am getting depressed on the excess work I have to do for so little.

HELP !

 

Natural warning of minute spoilers.

Spoiler

//PCs barters with the Mountain Scout

BEGIN IJ#ar20

CHAIN
IF ~!ActuallyInCombat()
Global("IJ#BGW1","GLOBAL",0)~ THEN IJ#ar20 mountainscout-PC1
~Erhm, would you be instrested on going over some mountains, I got maps all over... well over the Cloud Peek mountains.~
DO ~SetGLOBAL("IJ#BGW1","GLOBAL",1)~
++ THEN REPLY ~How wonderful, I'll take one.~ + exit1
++ THEN REPLY ~Hay farmer, you go suck some eggs, and get out of here, I'll find my own way there, if I want to.~ + exit1
END

CHAIN
IF ~~ THEN IJ#ar20 exit1
~K, here take this, I am out of here.~
DO ~SetGlobal("IJ#BGW1","GLOBAL",1)~
++ THEN REPLY ~Well, what the cheese, this is not a map but a poem, a bad one at that. It reads: ~
+ ~"Go North, then South and until you get lost and then found, your way goes to a hill with the forest and then you find the peak... man that idiot must have eaten lots of mushrooms. Anyways let's just head to North and find our way over the Mountains."~ EXIT

Any help on getting the last bit finished spoken by the player go well and I'll give you character to name.

Edited by The Imp, 03 December 2013 - 07:48 AM.

[Jenavee]

Bit of a necro here, but I might be interested. What precisely are you asking for, Impy? Some sort of ending conversation from Charname + company about getting over the Cloud Peaks, or am I misunderstanding you?

[jastey]

Is it syntax help you need? Try this:

 

Spoiler

//PCs barters with the Mountain Scout

BEGIN IJ#ar20

CHAIN
IF ~!ActuallyInCombat()
Global("IJ#BGW1","GLOBAL",0)~ THEN IJ#ar20 mountainscout-PC1
~Erhm, would you be instrested on going over some mountains, I got maps all over... well over the Cloud Peek mountains.~
DO ~SetGLOBAL("IJ#BGW1","GLOBAL",1)~

END
++ ~How wonderful, I'll take one.~ + exit1
++ ~Hay farmer, you go suck some eggs, and get out of here, I'll find my own way there, if I want to.~ + exit1


CHAIN
IF ~~ THEN IJ#ar20 exit1
~K, here take this, I am out of here.~
DO ~SetGlobal("IJ#BGW1","GLOBAL",1)~

END
++ ~Well, what the cheese, this is not a map but a poem, a bad one at that. It reads: "Go North, then South and until you get lost and then found, your way goes to a hill with the forest and then you find the peak... man that idiot must have eaten lots of mushrooms. Anyways let's just head to North and find our way over the Mountains."~ EXIT

[The Imp]

Is it syntax help you need? Try this:

Thanks for the offer to help... I would need this reply to be separated to two or three dialog lines...

 

EDIT 2:

Ouh cheese, it's this how I need to do it !!!

Spoiler

CHAIN
IF ~~ THEN IJ#ar20 exit1
~K, here take this, I am out of here.~
DO ~SetGlobal("IJ#BGW1","GLOBAL",1)~
END
++ ~Well, what the cheese, this is not a map but a poem, a bad one at that. It reads: ~
= ~"Go North, then South and until you get lost and then found, your way goes to a hill with the forest and then you find the peak..."~
= ~Man that idiot must have eaten lots of mushrooms. Anyways let's just head to North and find our way over the Mountains.~ EXIT

Thanks a tons.

Edited by The Imp, 13 December 2013 - 09:01 AM.

[jastey]

It's uncommon for the PC to have several lines (since the reply option would be, well, an option the player can chose from), but if you insist on doing it this way, there is the possibility to use PLAYER1 which is the PC's dialogue file for the "monologues" in BGII. Using this would mean the player would have to hit continue (not the red-highlighted reply option) with the PC's portrait for the talking NPC:

 

 

Spoiler

CHAIN
IF ~~ THEN IJ#ar20 exit1
~K, here take this, I am out of here.~
DO ~SetGlobal("IJ#BGW1","GLOBAL",1)~

== PLAYER1 ~Well, what the cheese, this is not a map but a poem, a bad one at that. It reads:~

= ~"Go North, then South and until you get lost and then found, your way goes to a hill with the forest and then you find the peak... man that idiot must have eaten lots of mushrooms. Anyways let's just head to North and find our way over the Mountains."~ EXIT

 

[The Imp]

Ahh, yeah... thanks for the help.

 

K, now I have the concept of the working thing down, so I just got to facilitate the rest. Yes, there's a two areas, one item and the road to script and test. The current .tp2 file: Huge spoiler warning !!!

Spoiler

BACKUP ~BGTtoBG1areas/backup~
AUTHOR ~Jarno Mikkola, The Imp.~

BEGIN ~Allow the traveling from the BG2 areas back to BG1 areas.~

COPY    ~BGTtoBG1areas/ij#ioby3.bam~ ~override/ij#ioby3.bam~
        ~BGTtoBG1areas/ij#ioby4.bam~ ~override/ij#ioby4.bam~
        ~BGTtoBG1areas/ij#ioby3.vvc~ ~override/ij#ioby3.vvc~
        ~BGTtoBG1areas/ij#ioby4.vvc~ ~override/ij#ioby4.vvc~

COPY    ~BGTtoBG1areas/helm26.itm~ ~override/IJ#imphe.itm~
SAY NAME1 ~Skull~
SAY NAME2 ~Demon Skull~
SAY UNIDENTIFIED_DESC ~This is a demon skull that can be used as a helmet.
Effects: Unknown~
SAY DESC ~This cursed demon skull has magical letters in the back of the skull, they describe the skulls effects as of following:
Protection is as much a matter of perception as it is of the reality of the metal that's used.
Equipping the item causes the wearer to see unnatural visions, all of which seem to be threatining.

Effects:
Cursed
Thac0 Penalty: 5
Armor Class Bonus: 4~

COPY_EXISTING ~IJ#imphe.itm~ ~override/IJ#imphe.itm~
PATCH_IF (SOURCE_SIZE > 0x71) BEGIN
    LAUNCH_PATCH_FUNCTION DELETE_ITEM_EQEFFECT
        INT_VAR opcode_to_delete = "215"
    END
    LAUNCH_PATCH_FUNCTION ADD_ITEM_EQEFFECT
        INT_VAR opcode = "215"
        target = "1"
        timing = "2"
        parameter2 = "1"
        STR_VAR resource = ~ij#ioby3~
    END
    LAUNCH_PATCH_FUNCTION ADD_ITEM_EQEFFECT
        INT_VAR opcode = "215"
        target = "1"
        timing = "2"
        parameter2 = "1"
        STR_VAR resource = ~ij#ioby4~
    END
END
BUT_ONLY_IF_IT_CHANGES

COPY_EXISTING  ~cambion1.cre~ ~override/IJ#micbaldur.cre~
        SAY NAME1  ~Demon~
        SAY NAME2  ~Micbaldur~
        WRITE_SHORT 0x14 (1000)
        WRITE_BYTE  0x24 (100)
        WRITE_BYTE  0x26 (100)
        WRITE_ASCII 0x0248 IJ#micba                //script
        WRITE_ASCII 0x02cc IJ#micba                //.d file
        ADD_CRE_ITEM ~IJ#imphe~ #0 #0 #0 ~NONE~ ~INV1~

COPY_EXISTING  ~cambion1.cre~ ~override/IJ#m2.cre~
        WRITE_SHORT 0x14 (500)
        WRITE_BYTE 0x24 (80)
        WRITE_BYTE 0x26 (80)

COPY    ~BGTtoBG1areas/ar0042.are~ ~override/IJ#BGTa1.are~
         WRITE_ASCII 0x0094 IJ#BGTa1            //.baf name
                                                //add in the invisible talk idiot

COPY    ~BGTtoBG1areas/ar0042.are~ ~override/IJ#BGTa2.are~
         WRITE_ASCII 0x0094 IJ#BGTa2            //.baf name
                                                //make the script do something, skeletons

COPY_EXISTING ~copcust1.cre~ ~IJ#BGWMS.cre~
        SAY NAME1 ~Mountain Scout~
        SAY NAME2 ~Mountain Scout~
        WRITE_ASCII 0x0248 IJ#ar20                //script
        WRITE_ASCII 0x02cc IJ#ar20                //.d file

        COMPILE ~BGTtoBG1areas/IJ#ar20.baf~
/* ~BGTtoBG1areas/IJ#ar20.d~
                



                                    //TO DO LIST:
    ~BGTtoBG1areas/IJ#lost.d~                    //make it work
    ~BGTtoBG1areas/IJ#micba.d~                    //make it work        //And you though it would be this easy, nope it's not.
    ~BGTtoBG1areas/IJ#BGTa1.baf~                //first area
    ~BGTtoBG1areas/IJ#BGTa2.baf~                //second

*/
                                    
//Links from BG2 to BG1
//no checks yet
// done         //    not done    //            
//ar0020.are -> ij#bgta1 -> ij#bgta2 -> ar4300: ar4300 trap -> ar0020
//fj_trap_script

//
COPY_EXISTING IJ#BGTa1.are override //the first area after the gate
  PATCH_IF SOURCE_SIZE > 0x28f BEGIN
//Example 2: add a region to an area (in this case, a travel trigger to another area)
  LPF fj_are_structure
    INT_VAR
    fj_type         = 2    //travel
    fj_box_left     = 2
    fj_box_top      = 2
    fj_box_right    = 1278
    fj_box_bottom   = 118
    fj_cursor_idx   = 34   //travel
    fj_vertex_0     = 2 + (2 << 16)
    fj_vertex_1     = 1278 + (2 << 16)
    fj_vertex_2     = 1278 + (118 << 16)
    fj_vertex_3     = 2 + (118 << 16)
    STR_VAR
    fj_structure_type   = region
    fj_name             = Trans1
    fj_destination_area = IJ#bgta1
    fj_destination_name = IJ#bgta2
  END

//Example 3: add an entrance (from another area) to an area

  LPF fj_are_structure
    INT_VAR
    fj_loc_x       = 1200
    fj_loc_y       = 680
    fj_orientation = 8   //N
    STR_VAR
    fj_structure_type = entrance
    fj_name           = IJ#bga1
  END

  END
BUT_ONLY
                                    
/*
APPEND ~pdialog.2da~
~IJ#micba~                                //compile

ADD_GAM_NPC ~mynpc~ ~ar0020~ #123 #456                    //make the visible idiot work
ADD_GAM_NPC ~mynpc~ ~IJ#BGTa1~ #123 #456                //make the invisible idiot work

                    //Place the idiots

ADD_GAM_NPC ~override/IJ#micba.cre~ ~IJ#BGTa2~ #123 #456
ADD_GAM_NPC ~override/IJ#m2.cre~ ~IJ#BGTa2~ #123 #456
ADD_GAM_NPC ~override/IJ#m2.cre~ ~IJ#BGTa2~ #123 #456
*/
                                    //ADD IN THE SKELETONS    via a script
                                    //script to activate the final link between the ar0020.are and ar4300.are
// THIS AND
                                    // add links from these area(s) to the new area
ACTION_DEFINE_ASSOCIATIVE_ARRAY toNewArea BEGIN
  "AR0020" => "Exitwmp"       // City Gates
END

// add links from the new area to these area(s)
ACTION_DEFINE_ASSOCIATIVE_ARRAY fromNewArea BEGIN
  "AR0020" => "IJ#bga1"      // City Gates
END

// calls the function and returns the worldmap entry number for the new area
LAUNCH_ACTION_FUNCTION sc#addWmpAre
    INT_VAR mapIcon = 17            // map icon
            xCoord  = 1048          // x coordinate
            yCoord  = 76            // y coordinate
            tTime   = 6             // travel time 24 hours
            inclSv  = 1             // include saved games bool: 1 means yes and 0 means no

    STR_VAR areName = "IJ#bga1"     // area reference
            strName = "Paths over the Mountains" // area name, like "Waukeen's Promenade"
            strDesc = "Will you be lost?" // area description which will show up when hovering the area on the worldmap

    RET areNum = areNum
END
PRINT "Adding the first areas patch. New area number is: %areNum%"

// OR
//=========================================================================================================

[micbaldur]

Thanks a lot.

 

Spoiler

snip

 

COPY_EXISTING ~cambion1.cre~ ~override/IJ#micbaldur.cre~
SAY NAME1 ~Demon~
SAY NAME2 ~Micbaldur~

 

snip

 

Now that you are going to take care of traveling from BG2 to BG1 there is one travel problem remaining.

 

How to travel from ToB to SoA and BG1.   Or does this mod of yours cover this problem also.

[Jenavee]

Doesn't make much sense, RPly: you're on a pretty strict deadline once you start ToB. Would be nice though, to still be able to access all the old stuff.

[The Imp]

How to travel from ToB to SoA and BG1.   Or does this mod of yours cover this problem also.

I think the Worldmap mod should allow the ToB to SoA already ... and then there's one of the big mods that allows this for sure as parts of it happens after Irenicus is dead, and it supposed to allow the entrance to the woods with the stone faces after. That's why the WM mod asks if you wish to have the ToB in the same map.

 

And ouh you noticed the darn spoiler text. It was supposed to be a surprise. Well, it still will be nice. And it's technically still a error there as the .cre name can't be longer than 8 marks. But fixed that now.

Edited by The Imp, 13 December 2013 - 11:30 AM.

[micbaldur]

How to travel from ToB to SoA and BG1.   Or does this mod of yours cover this problem also.

I think the Worldmap mod should allow the ToB to SoA already ... and then there's one of the big mods that allows this for sure as parts of it happens after Irenicus is dead, and it supposed to allow the entrance to the woods with the stone faces after. That's why the WM mod asks if you wish to have the ToB in the same map.

 

And ouh you noticed the darn spoiler text. It was supposed to be a surprise. Well, it still will be nice. And it's technically still a error there as the .cre name can't be longer than 8 marks. But fixed that now.

Well i use Leonarno's BWP-bat to install so technically WMP doesn't ask if i want to have ToB in the same map.

 

Also it was just bad joke that ToB to SoA thing. But if i remember correctly my last BWP game i didn't have BG1 and SoA areas on the map at ToB.

 

It doesn't matter anyway i usually play ToB part quickly because i want make new BWP expert-install with new and updated mods and start over again.

 

As for spoiler text. I'm not blind and i can read weidu (but not make any kind of mod) very well.

[micbaldur]

Doesn't make much sense, RPly: you're on a pretty strict deadline once you start ToB. Would be nice though, to still be able to access all the old stuff.

Well technically you are in hurry to rescue Imoen in SoA also but in BWP expert-install you have so much new content that it takes very very very very... (x1,000,000) ... very much longer than in vanilla SoA.

 

It's also makes more realistic to have all areas accessable at ToB. Then you can make some sightseeing trips in old visited areas before becoming very busy god.

[Jenavee]

Hehehe. Actually, I tend to get Imoen as early as possible, since I love the Imoen Romance mod, then once I finish Bodhi off, use the remainder of ...chapter 5?... to do all the rest of the game. The only exceptions I usually make before rescuing her are time or chapter-limited quests / NPCs, such as Beyond the Law.

[micbaldur]

Hehehe. Actually, I tend to get Imoen as early as possible, since I love the Imoen Romance mod, then once I finish Bodhi off, use the remainder of ...chapter 5?... to do all the rest of the game. The only exceptions I usually make before rescuing her are time or chapter-limited quests / NPCs, such as Beyond the Law.

Well    Imoen romance is only bad thing in my current playstyle. I do everything possible in chapter 2 and 3 (big mods CtB, RoT, TDD, NEJ and also very many smaller mods) before going to Brynnlaw.

 

I also romance Jaheira, Aerie, Viconia, Dace (first time), Yvette, Isra (first time), Nalia, Amber, Kiara, Kim, Saerileth, Tyris, Tashia, Skie (first time), Sheena, Fade, Ninde, Sime before going to Brynnlaw.

Edited by micbaldur, 13 December 2013 - 01:26 PM.

[Jenavee]

Oooh, one of those multi-romancers, huh? Bad Micbaldur, bad! Every time you cheat on someone, a baby archon dies. =[ Seriously though, I usually only run one or, at most, two romances per playthrough (homebrew PCs piss me off: I despise home-recorded voices as they're either awful, have a hissing noise in the background, or both). Custom PCs / NPCs should have theme music instead ^_^;

 

Getting back on topic, though, I would absolutely love to see a truly open world, with the POSSIBILITY of accessing virtually anywhere at most times. Say, like....in Morrowind style, but chopped up into a gazillion areas / maps.

Edited by Jenavee, 13 December 2013 - 01:58 PM.

[micbaldur]

Oooh, one of those multi-romancers, huh? Bad Micbaldur, bad! Every time you cheat on someone, a baby archon dies. =[ Seriously though, I usually only run one or, at most, two romances per playthrough (homebrew PCs piss me off: I despise home-recorded voices as they're either awful, have a hissing noise in the background, or both). Custom PCs / NPCs should have theme music instead ^_^;

Yes i'm child of Bhaal and romance every possible lady (never mind archon babies). Beside Dyhaheir died in BG1 so i'm free to romance next one and then next one and so on. Talking about babies i only managed to get only one with Aerie.

 

I like to do every quest, every romance and everything else in my BWP game (i'm perfectionist maybe).

 

Getting back on topic, though, I would absolutely love to see a truly open world, with the POSSIBILITY of accessing virtually anywhere at most times. Say, like....in Morrowind style, but chopped up into a gazillion areas / maps.

I would like open world too. Though i don't know anything about Morrowind (never bought and try it).

 

Update: Shit i lost smileys again.

Edited by micbaldur, 13 December 2013 - 02:22 PM.