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[Wisp]

What I also don't get is why the attacks seem stuck at 5, regardless of dual wielding, and items and weapons that add attacks. The only thing that raises it above 5 is potion of speed or improved haste spell. The attacks are not stacking up above 5.

Starting at 3 attacks and adding these items (yeah I have a lot of item mods) should bring apr up to 7 or more.

APR are capped at 5. The only time you can have a number of APR greater than 5 if when you use something that doubles your number of APR.

[Suslik]

max
Whoa, thanks for reply!

about spell turning:
The problem that spells are not turned back is not fatal. Fatal thing is that as soon as they stop reflecting, they absorb infinitely, which ruins balance.

about attacks per round:
Fact that yours APR stuck at 3 at lvl 14 with 5 stars is somewhat weird, really. I have just checked the thing, and I my kensai 13/dualled to mage has 7/2 APR. But i doubt that bugged APR stacking is a problem too - BG II always had problems stacking extra attacks. For example Drizzt's boots are supposed to add extra attack, but it is not multiplied by improved haste and does not stack with boon of lathander and so on.

What items do you use? I can CLUA them and check how many APR i have.

fixed:
oh well. i've missed Wisp's reply. i have just checked and it seems that APR are really capped by 5. i suppose i have not noticed it because i always rise my APR only to 5 in order to get maximum of 10 under improved haste.

Edited by Suslik, 01 September 2011 - 03:06 AM.

[Jarno Mikkola]

is somewhat weird, ... I have just checked the thing, and I my kensai 13/dualled to mage has 7/2 APR.

It's not actually weird... as a matter of fact the 7/2 is just 3.5 APR. If you use the haste effect that doubles that, it's 7, but only through the doubling effect.
The 5 attacks per round is a game rule, and it's actually in the game's effects and thus in the code. The doubling effect is also there, but under totally different parameter, and the two cannot be mixed, unless you wish to script it, but that's laggy, time consuming and other bad things.

Edited by Jarno Mikkola, 01 September 2011 - 05:55 AM.

[Suslik]

It's not actually weird... as a matter of fact the 7/2 is just 3.5 APR. If you use the haste effect that doubles that, it's 7, but only through the doubling effect.

the weird thing is that max has 3 apr and i have 7/2 apr with the same wspatch.2da table.

[Fennek]

I put all the mentioned problems into the "bug list", with the exception of the spell turning issue, which is still very vague. Are there any mods at all affecting the spell Miloch mentioned?

Actually, were these problems with ToBEx, SCSII etc. posted in the respective forums?

Edited by Fennek, 04 September 2011 - 04:41 AM.

[Suslik]

Unfortunately, not: i have not posted the issues above in any other places, I'm having some difficulties with free time.

And unfortunately again spell turning issue is still the most serious for me, because i did not succeed in finding a workaround. Here is --change-log:

Mods affecting SPWI522.SPL: 
00000: /* from game biffs */ ~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ 0 0 // BG2 Fixpack - Core Fixes: v9.01 BWP Fix 
00001: ~SETUP-BDTOBV168.TP2~ 0 0 // Baldurdash Fix Pack for ToB, v1.68 WeiDU: BG2Fixpack adaption 
00002: ~SPELL_REV/SETUP-SPELL_REV.TP2~ 0 0 // Spell Revisions: v3 
00003: ~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ 0 1 // Creature & Area Improvements -> All Creature & Area Improvements: v2.3 (Feb 14, 2010) BWP Fix 
00004: ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ 0 10 // Initialise (required by almost all other mod components): v17 
00005: ~SETUP-KIARA-ZAIYA.TP2~ 0 0 // Kiara-Zaiya for BG2 SOA: v1.6.2 
00006: ~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ 0 7 // Additional equipment for Thieves and Bards: v4.44

Again, restoring any of those backups does not seem to help.

[Jarno Mikkola]

Spoiler

when i returned to baldur's gate and got accused of Scar's murder, i was thrown to jail by flaming fists with Angelo in charge. all according to plan, as soon as i remember - it was always like that. then i talk to some dude in the cell and he releases me(teleports outside), but! everyone(including civilians aggro's at me. i do not remember slaughtering half of baldur's gate at all. did i do anything wrong? is it supposed to be like this?

Question in spoilers, answer in spoilers, without that many spoilers.

Spoiler

The civilians aren't supposed to go hostile on you, after your release, you aren't supposed to be seen by many, just go to the right place... And you aren't supposed to kill the Flaming Fist patrols, but try to avoid them, that's of course harder with SCS, as the enemies follow you.

[Lollorian]

You're on target

[Fouinto]

I don't know if it will help you but "spell trigger" and the like allow to cast spells at invisible creatures

[Suslik]

@Founito
well, thanks for response, but that does not change the fact that Spell Thrust and Secret Word do not work.

somewhere in the internets i have read about an issue with Secret Word, Spell Strike and Ruby Ray of Reversal that their projectiles exploded before destination leaving their victim untouched. indeed it has clarified some aspects of strange behavior of those spells, but i'm still testing it.

<fxd>

Edited by Suslik, 06 November 2011 - 05:28 AM.

[Suslik]

Okay guys. After three hours of testing i'm finally confused. Maybe it is even not a bug(unlikely of course) and someone can clarify what's going on?

Test 1:
Enemy mage casts on themselves: spell immunity : divination, spell shield
I cast: secret word; Result: nothing(fail)/OR if i have just started BGII, spell shield is brought down.
I cast: spellstrike/pierce shield/secret word; Result: if spell shield was not dispelled by secret word, nothing happens(fail), otherwise immunity is down(ok)

Test 2:
Enemy mage casts on themselves: spell shield;
I cast: secret word(or spell thrust); Result: nothing(fail)/OR if i have just started BGII, spell shield is brought down.

Test 3:
Enemy lich casts on himself: spell turning, spell immunity: abjuration
I cast: secret word; Result: nothing(fail, spell turning should be down)
I cast: secret word again; Result: nothing(fail, spell immunity should be down by now)
I cast: spellstrike; Result: both protections are down(ok)

It seems that this behavior is the same both for BWP 9.4 and 9.10 for me.

Any suggestions how to explain underlined fails? What forum should i report this kind of issues to?

Maybe this bug is somehow related to other spell absorption/deflection bugs i mentioned on previous page, when they start absorbing infinite amount of spells?

I dont even know which files to --change-log, but i have tried restoring original SoA backups of secret word/spell shiled/spell turning.

Edited by Suslik, 06 November 2011 - 07:06 AM.

[Fennek]

Did Lollorian's post here: http://www.shsforums...post__p__526373
provide you an answer? Did you install NEJ? Or, if not, did certain NPCs die in BG1 (Minsc, Dynaheir, Khalid etc.)?

(The Rod of Refugee thing is intended and if one misuses it or not is one's own choice, I guess... )

[Suslik]

Did Lollorian's post here: http://www.shsforums...post__p__526373
provide you an answer? Did you install NEJ? Or, if not, did certain NPCs die in BG1 (Minsc, Dynaheir, Khalid etc.)?

(The Rod of Refugee thing is intended and if one misuses it or not is one's own choice, I guess... )

Apparently as you can see from post #71 i did install NEJ, and i even found a workaround for that problem myself restoring backup of aram00.bcs or downloading from Lollorian's link, thanks.

Now my main problem which i cannot overcome myself is glitched spell protections/deflections/spell protection dispells(details in my previous post). Mayve there's some specialized subforum for such issues?

[Suslik]

One more minor issue i have encountered since i think BWP 9.2:

Why is "Spell shield" scroll(scrl8x.itm, sold at underdark dwarf's shop) actually when used/learned actually turns out to be "Spell deflection"? And where can i learn actual "Spell shield" spell?

scrl8x.itm change-log:

Mods affecting SCRL8X.ITM:
00000: /* from game biffs */ ~SPELL_REV/SETUP-SPELL_REV.TP2~ 0 0 // Spell Revisions: v3
00001: ~SETUP-BTWEAK_LITE.TP2~ 0 3 // Sensible weapon restrictions (based on Ghreyfain's Ashes of Embers): 4 14Feb2010
00002: ~MIXMOD/MIXMOD.TP2~ 0 25 // Increased Scroll Stacking -> Increase Scroll by 200%
00003: ~SETUP-REFINEMENTS.TP2~ 0 10 // Revised High Level Abilities: Refinements v 3.30

And every version of those scrolls 00001-00003 actually is "spell deflection" scroll, so that i had to restore the backup from original SoA. I think "Spell revisions" is guilty at the first place, but gibberling's forums turned out to be dead, i wonder why.

Edited by Suslik, 06 November 2011 - 11:44 PM.