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[Liquidus]

I decided to go with Sword Coast Strategems over Big Picture for my AI mod in Big World Setup. However, a few components of SCSII like "Smarter Illasera" "Smarter Yaga-Shura" and "Smarter Gromnir" require BP to also be installed. I thought that you're only supposed to pick one or the other. What am I supposed to do? Thanks.

[Miloch]

You don't need to pick one or the other (that information's a bit misleading) but those components refer to components from the Ascension mod. They should also work with the BP-Ascension components (there was a testing thread for that somewhere).

Edited by Miloch, 27 February 2011 - 02:12 PM.

[dabus]

Uhm, what's so misleading about "Improve some Ascension (improved) creatures with SCSII"?
If you want to have Ascension-creatures with SCSII AI, you'll need ascension. That's all it says.
You don't need the AI or anything else from BP, if I'm not mistaken.

[DavidWallace]

Uhm, what's so misleading about "Improve some Ascension (improved) creatures with SCSII"?
If you want to have Ascension-creatures with SCSII AI, you'll need ascension. That's all it says.
You don't need the AI or anything else from BP, if I'm not mistaken.

I repeat my periodic warning that BP-Ascension is a modified, not just modernised, version of Ascension, and I don't recommend using SCSII's Ascension components with it.

[Miloch]

Uhm, what's so misleading about "Improve some Ascension (improved) creatures with SCSII"?

That's not what I was talking about. What's misleading is the implication here you have to install either BP or SCS(2) and that you can't have both - and I believe this is replicated in the BWS. SCS2 overwrites BP's AI anyway (and thus there should be no 'conflict' if you realise what its doing) but you can still install BP's core with SCS and get the pieces that aren't related to the AI.

[Liquidus]

So basically I can select both checkboxes for BP and SCSII and it'll be fine?

[Chevalier]

So basically I can select both checkboxes for BP and SCSII and it'll be fine?

Yes.

[Dakk]

[...]you can still install BP's core with SCS and get the pieces that aren't related to the AI.

What are those pieces, specifically?

[Miloch]

What are those pieces, specifically?

The stuff that's not related to the AI .

Frankly, I don't know exact specifics but I asked elsewhere (and got no response - but I imagine it'd be stuff like added projectile files, creature improvements, horred's lair, etc., etc.)

[Dakk]

In your orcish opinion - anything worth having (as I, despite statements to ease my mind - in this thread nonetheless - still fears the combination)?

[Chevalier]

BP adds much to the game and is a good AI, SCS I & II is a very good AI that adds difficulty to many battles that makes standard battles better in a Mega Mod. In my Maga Mod I have many parts of SCS I and BP and they work well together. I find monsters that have BP scripts, who would only use standard ones if only SCS was installed.

To see just what I have installed:

Spoiler

~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #0 // Big Picture AI/Enhancement Mod, version 180: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #1 // Improved Suldanessallar: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #3 // Wand of Orcus Add-In: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #4 // Improved Small Teeth Pass, by Kensai Ryu: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #5 // Improved Kangaxx Encounter, by Kensai Ryu: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #6 // Kensai Ryu's Improved Crypt King: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #7 // Kensai Ryu's Gnome Fighter/Illusionist in the Docks: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #8 // Improved Random Encounters, by Gebhard Blucher and Kensai Ryu: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #9 // Gebhard Blucher's Lich in the Docks: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #10 // Red Badge, Poison-Based Encounter, by Westley Weimer: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #11 // Kuroisan the Acid Kensai, by Westley Weimer: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #12 // The Ritual, by Westley Weimer: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #13 // Improved Xvart Village, for BGT-weidu: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #15 // Ascension for BP: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #16 // Improved Abazigail: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #17 // Improved Demogorgon: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #18 // Improved Gromnir: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #19 // Improved Illasera: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #20 // Improved Yaga-Shura: v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-BPV180.TP2~ #0 #21 // BPSeries v4.00 by seanas (w/ revisions by Horred the Plague): v180ba BWP Fix
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #10 // Detectable Spells: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #20 // Allow enemy AI to detect the party's magic items: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #30 // Correct various errors on race, class etc: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #60 // Prevent random crashes in Beregost (by Ascension64): v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #1021 // Antimagic attacks penetrate improved invisibility -> All spells that bring down spell protections get areas of effect: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #2020 // Re-introduce potions of extra-healing: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #3001 // Standardise spells: BG1 vs BG2 -> Introduce BG2 spell scrolls into BG1: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #3010 // Faster Bears: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #3050 // Better NPC management: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #3060 // Allow Yeslick to use axes: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #3070 // Move NPCs to more convenient locations: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #3090 // Prevent party members from dying irreversibly: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #4010 // Remove blur effect from displacer cloak: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #4020 // Stackable ankheg shells, winterwolf pelts and wyvern heads: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #4030 // Move Boo out of quick access and into Minsc's pack: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #5000 // Smarter general AI: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #5010 // Better calls for help: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #5020 // Potions for NPCs -> All of the potions dropped by slain enemies are recoverable: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #5031 // Smarter mages -> Mages use spells from BG1 and BG2; mages do not pre-buff: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #5041 // Smarter priests -> Priests use spells from BG1 and BG2; priests do not pre-buff: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #5050 // Smarter deployment: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #5070 // Smarter sirines and dryads: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #5080 // Slightly harder carrion crawlers: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #5090 // Smarter basilisks: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6000 // Improved doppelgangers: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6005 // Harder giant and phase spiders: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6010 // Tougher Black Talons and Iron Throne guards: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6020 // Improved deployment for parties of assassins: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6030 // Dark Side-based kobold upgrade: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6040 // Relocated bounty hunters: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6050 // Improved Ulcaster: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6060 // Improved Balduran's Isle: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6070 // Improved Durlag's Tower: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6080 // Improved Demon Cultists: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6090 // Improved Cloakwood Druids: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6100 // Improved Bassilus: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6110 // Improved Drasus party: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6120 // Improved Red Wizards: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6130 // Improved Undercity party: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6140 // Improved minor encounters: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6150 // Tougher chapter-two end battle: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6160 // Tougher chapter-three end battle: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6170 // Tougher chapter-four end battle: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6180 // Tougher chapter-five end battle: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6190 // Tougher chapter-six end battle: v16
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #6200 // Improved final battle: v16

[Miloch]

Chev's opinion is better than mine here. I haven't played the combination - I'm just working on the BP code (when I can).