23 replies to this topic

[MrDragon]

Hi chaps

I'd like to make some minor adjustments to one of my installed mods, in particular adding the un-nerfed THAC0 and spell progression tables from SCSII, which I already have installed but without these options.

Is this possible in any way without having to go through the full reinstallation of Big World from scratch? If I just run the SCSII installer again over the top will this work, or is this going to destroy my installation?

Thanks,

Matthew.

[the bigg]

It is possible, but time-intensive. The easiest way to let the process run unattended is to download WeiDU from my signature, extract tcl84.dll, tk84.dll, weidu.exe and weigui.exe in your BG2 directory, run weigui.exe an apply your changes.

Edited by the bigg, 23 January 2011 - 09:25 AM.

[MrDragon]

Thanks for your help. I downloaded these files, extracted them into my BG2 directory, and ran weigui.exe as you instructed:

D:\BG\BGII - SoA>WeiGUI.exe
Fatal error: exception Protocol.TkError("Can't find a usable init.tcl in the fol
lowing directories:
D:/BG/lib/tcl8.4 D:/BG/lib/tcl8.4 D:/lib/tcl8.4 D:/BG/library D:/library D:/
tcl8.4.16/library

This probably means that Tcl wasn't installed properly.

I also tried running it from a sub directory of BG2:

D:\BG\BGII - SoA>cd WeiDU

D:\BG\BGII - SoA\WeiDU>weigui
Fatal error: exception Protocol.TkError("Can't find a usable init.tcl in the fol
lowing directories:
{D:/BG/BGII - SoA/lib/tcl8.4} {D:/BG/BGII - SoA/lib/tcl8.4} D:/BG/lib/tcl8.4
{D:/BG/BGII - SoA/library} D:/BG/library D:/BG/tcl8.4.16/library D:/tcl8.4.16/l
ibrary

Any idea what I'm missing?

Matthew.

[the bigg]

Ugh; it works for some people but not for others, and I have been so far unable to figure out the issue (and google isn't as helpful as usual). Perhaps one of the other two users of WeiGUI will step in and tell you what you're missing.

[MrDragon]

Think it needs that TCL application installed as opposed to just the DLLs that are included, but can only download version 8.5 whereas weigui looks like it was built against 8.4

[the bigg]

That's why I said 'Ugh'

This is my init.tcl (renamed as init.txt); let me know if dropping it in your BG2 directory (and renaming it back to init.tcl) is enough to get that working.

Attached Files

•  init.txt   25.39K   219 downloads

[Miloch]

If all you want to change are the tables you mentioned, you can edit those .2da files with any text editor and dump them in the override folder. If you don't like what a particular mod did to the tables, you'll find the previous copy in the mod's backup/# folder (# being the component number of the mod that made the change).

[dabus]

@the bigg:

E:\BiG World Project\BGII - SvA>WeiGUI.exe
Fatal error: exception Protocol.TkError("Can't find a usable init.tcl in the fol
lowing directories:
    {E:/BiG World Project/lib/tcl8.4} {E:/BiG World Project/lib/tcl8.4} E:/lib/t
cl8.4 {E:/BiG World Project/library} E:/library E:/tcl8.4.16/library



This probably means that

So I put that into E:/BiG World Project/lib/tcl8.4. Now it's

E:\BiG World Project\BGII - SvA>WeiGUI.exe
Fatal error: exception Protocol.TkError("invalid command name "tcl_findLibrary""
)

I've got the dlls in E:/BiG World Project/lib/tcl8.4, E:/BiG World Project/lib and E:\BiG World Project\BGII - SvA.

[the bigg]

That's about as much work I'm willing to do trying to blindly get obsolete libraries to work. I'll see if I can release something stabler.

[Jarno Mikkola]

That's about as much work I'm willing to do trying to blindly get obsolete libraries to work. I'll see if I can release something stabler.

Could the problem be that the drive is not C, which usually has the OS, which has common libraries that weigui.exe might require(dependencies)...
Of course that might not have anything to do with this, as I don't know a cheese about this.

[the bigg]

The problem is that a TCL installation takes 50 MB, and WeiGUI probably expects more than a single file out of those to work.

PS: maybe I found a copy of ActiveState tcl 8.4. A full install of that should be enough to get WeiGUI to run.

Edited by the bigg, 24 January 2011 - 01:46 AM.

[MrDragon]

Wow, thanks for all the information guys!

If I can adjust those tables by editing text files then I'll try doing that for an easy fix. I was very careful on this install to get everything how I wanted it and that's the only thing I need to change at the moment.

I'll also try that TCL exe (nice Google-fu) tonight because it sounds like weigui is a useful utility to get going. I'm running Windows 7 64-bit but hopefully the x86 exe will work.

If worst comes to the worst I can wait for a new release as I'm only level 5 on my new playthrough so still a good way off the TOB level tables

I'd also like to say thanks for all your efforts producing such a useful and stable set of mods and utilities. I haven't had a single CTD or so much as a glitch in over 20 hours of play which is much more than I can say for my heavily modded copy of Oblivion!

Cheers,

Matthew.

[MrDragon]

Hi there,

That Tcl program installed - I had to chuck it in my \BG\ directory. Thanks for that.

Weigui.exe now starts up fine, however I'm not sure how to reconfigure the options for SCSII using this tool? I clicked on one of the SCSII options and clicked "reinstall" (I've backed up my \BG\ directory), but wasn't sure if anything happened, and couldn't see a way to reselect the right options.

Could you tell me how to change the options for the SCSII mod without inadvertently nuking my installation?

Thanks

Matthew.

[the bigg]

You can freely experiment with WeiGUI as long as you don't click 'proceed to setup your game'. Once you click that, the window will freeze and setup will proceed (and take up a non-trivial amount of time). If you mangled up picking options in WeiGUI too badly and want to re-start, use the 'Undo all Changes' button (or close and reopen WeiGUI itself).

'Reinstall an existing mod' is nigh useless (it can only be used to force reinstall of a component, without changing its position). To add a new option from SCSII (or whatever), you need to choose 'Install another mod' even if you're adding a new component from a mod already installed. Pick a mod name, a language, one or more components, and a position (refer to the BWP PDF to get a general idea of the correct position). To remove an option, choose 'Uninstall a mod' and choose the components you wish to remove. Once you're done selecting, double- and triple- check that everything is to your liking, and click on 'Proceed to setup'. WeiGUI is now 'not responding' - that's expected, DON'T close it, just wait for some hours and it'll close itself once it has finished its work.

Yes, I know that WeiGUI is so unintuitive that it's almost unusable. I have a skeleton of a replacement written in Java, but no willingness to actually finish it. If anybody is interested, I'll upload the source and answer as many questions as possible, but other than that I will wash my hands of it.

Edited by the bigg, 24 January 2011 - 04:28 PM.

[MrDragon]

Added a couple of options then hit "Set up your game", unfortunately it had tons of errors finding files, this is the end bit:

I 0
WARNING: unable to open [Innate_Fix/backup/0/UNINSTALL.0]: Sys_error("Innate_Fix
/backup/0/UNINSTALL.0: Permission denied")
Will be unable to UNINSTALL later.

Installing [Innates Set to Level One]
Copying and patching 1981 files ...
ERROR: COPY ~BALDEAD.SPL~ ~override/BALDEAD.SPL~ FAILED: cannot open target
Stopping installation because of error.

ERROR Installing [Innates Set to Level One], rolling back to previous state
Will uninstall 430 files for [SETUP-INNATE_FIX.TP2] component 0.
Uninstalled 430 files for [SETUP-INNATE_FIX.TP2] component 0.
ERROR: Sys_error("Bad file descriptor")
PLEASE email the file WSETUP.DEBUG to Nobody
Automatically Skipping [Innates Set to Level One] because of error.
I 0
Using Language [English]
WARNING: unable to open [generalized_biffing/backup/0/UNINSTALL.0]: Sys_error("g
eneralized_biffing/backup/0/UNINSTALL.0: Permission denied")
Will be unable to UNINSTALL later.

Installing [Generalized Biffing] [v2.1]

Would you like to biff only wav&tis files, or all files found?
0] only wav&tis&bam (recommended by The Bigg and other Small World Dudes)
1] all files (recommended by the Big World Dudes)
Creating 1 directory
Copying and patching 1 file ...
[data/tb#gen0.bif] will contain 4069 resources totalling 29999448 bytes
ERROR: error copying [CHITIN.KEY]
ERROR: error copying [CHITIN.KEY]
Stopping installation because of error.
Stopping installation because of error.
ERROR: [.../list-of-files] -> [generalized_biffing/prod/0/list-of-files] Patchin
g Failed (COPY) (Unix.Unix_error(1, "open", "generalized_biffing/backup/0/CHITIN
.KEY"))
Stopping installation because of error.

ERROR Installing [Generalized Biffing], rolling back to previous state
Will uninstall 46 files for [GENERALIZED_BIFFING/GENERALIZED_BIFFING.TP2] compo
nent 0.
Uninstalled 46 files for [GENERALIZED_BIFFING/GENERALIZED_BIFFING.TP2] compo
nent 0.
ERROR: Unix.Unix_error(1, "open", "generalized_biffing/backup/0/CHITIN.KEY")
PLEASE email the file WSETUP.DEBUG to the bigg
Automatically Skipping [Generalized Biffing] because of error.
Using Language [English]
[dialog.tlk] created, 96081 string entries

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Romance Cheats

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Rest Anywhere (Japheth)

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Adjust Evil joinable NPC reaction rolls

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Improved Fate Spirit Summoning

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Change Jaheira to Neutral Good

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Use BG2 Values

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Change Korgan to Neutral Evil

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Give Kagain A Legal Constitution Score of 19

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Thrown Hammers

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Item Pack v1.4

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Extra Items

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS More Distinguishable Items

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Familiar Faces

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS More Work for Cromwell

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED PnP Free Action

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Restore innate infravision to Half-Orc characters

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Prevent skeletal undead from being affected by Illit
hids' Devour Brain attack

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Magical arrows and bolts deal bonus damage equal to
their enchantment level

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Scrolls can be scribed everywhere

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Restore innate disease immunity to Paladins

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Rangers' Animal Empathy improves with experience

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Additional racial traits for Dwarves

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Additional racial traits for Gnomes

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Mod-added fiends are not affected

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Allow Breach to take down Stoneskin effects applied
by items

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Instant casting for warrior innates

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Enhance the Bhaalpowers and standardize their castin
g time

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Make druidic shapeshifting uninterruptable

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Restore the Dispel Magic vulnerability to Nishruu an
d Hakeashars

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Make alignment detection spells more accurate

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Only the Jester song breaks invisibility

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Improved (lowered) XP rewards from locks, traps and
scrolls

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Simple Thief script

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Simple Bard script

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Change the appearance of Valygar's armor

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Change the appearance of the Robe of Vecna

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Give Shambling Mounds their proper soundset

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Give Mariliths their Icewind Dale soundset

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Distinctive creature coloring

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Use the recommended storage capacity value (999)

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Expanded temple services

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Compatible with SCSI&II

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Macholy's mods hotkey tools V1

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Combat round timer V1

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS One Pixel Productions: v2 New Potion Graphics (2)

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS One Pixel Productions: v3 Flame Short Swords (4)

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED One Pixel Productions: v3 Flame Short Swords item pa
tches (5)

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED One Pixel Productions: v3 Flame Short Swords mod ite
m patches (6)

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS One Pixel Productions: v3 Paperdolls (human, half-or
c, elven, halfling, dwarves) (7)

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS One Pixel Productions: v3 Colourable Quarterstaves c
ore (11)

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED 1PP: Colourable Quarterstaves core item patches (12)


SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED One Pixel Productions: v3 Colourable Quarterstaves m
od patches (13)

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * female elves w. leather armour [
EFB2]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * female elves w. chain mail [EFB3
]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * female elven cleric w. plate arm
our [EFC4]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * female elven fighter w. plate ar
mour [EFF4]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * female human unarmoured [HFB1]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * female human w. leather armour [
HFB2]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * female human w. chain mail [HFB3
]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * female human cleric w. plate mai
l [HFC4]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * female human fighter w. plate ma
il [HFF4]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * female human unarmoured mage [HF
W1]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * female human mage w. light robe
[HFW2]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * fixed halfling progression [IFB1
, IFB2, IFB3]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * fix frame error on cleric plate
[IFC4]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * dwarves w. chain mail [DMB3]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * male elves w. chain mail [EMB3]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * male human w. leather armour [HM
B2]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1PP: Avatar fixes * male human w. chain mail [HMB3]

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Separate Avatars for Female Dwarves - Baldur's Gate
II

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED BGII - Unique Thief Avatars (patch)

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1ppv3: Unique Thief Avatars (content)

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS 1ppv3: Improved Improved Galactygon's Avatar Switchi
ng

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Revised High Level Abilities

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Heal on shifting back to human (Default)

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Universal lesser mage robes

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Thief High Level Ability revisions

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Bard High Level Ability revisions

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Shadow Thief Improvements

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Nature's Beauty Tweak.

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Imprisonment Fix.

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Flesh to Stone Fix.

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Drop Weapons in Panic Effect Removal.

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Cheesy Limited Wish & Wish.

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Drop Items on Frozen Death

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Drop Items on Disintegration

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Drop Items on Imprisonment

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Drop Items on Petrification

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Restore SoA Background Music for Promenade Cutscene

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Increase Spear Range and Damage

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Unique icons and names

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Corrected lightmaps for BG TuTu/BGT/Baldur's Gate

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Infinity Animations

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED At 10% from your current configuration

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Installing files needed for the components of the gr
oup "Balancing XP and items of several mods"

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Keep custom items from other Mods

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Worldmap for Baldur's Gate - including colored Baldu
r's Gate map icons

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Use new Worldmap for Throne of Bhaal as well

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Nythrun's Level 1 NPCs: List party-joinable NPCs
(required to install any NPC components)

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Joinable NPCs more closely match the player
character's experience

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED mos_anted's revision

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Dudleyfix for BG1 NPCs

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Fix BG1 NPC spells and innate abilities

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Update game references to NPC classes/kits

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Full Baldur's Gate/Shadows of Amn/Throne of Bhaal Music (
WARNING: patches BGMain.exe)

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS "Baldur's Gate Trilogy" (Elminster wielding staff)

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED for the original Infinity Engine (CHOOSE THIS!)

SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED Creature Slot Fixer

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Innates Set to Level One

NOT INSTALLED DUE TO ERRORS Generalized Biffing

Press ENTER to exit.

Interesting further up I found this section, for the options I added:

SKIPPING: [Un-Nerfed THAC0 Table]
The functionality of this component is either already included or superc
eded by one of your already installed mods.
Using Language [English]

SKIPPING: [Un-Nerfed Sorcerer Spell Progression Table]
The functionality of this component is either already included or superc
eded by one of your already installed mods.
Using Language [English]

SKIPPING: [Un-Nerfed Table (Blucher)]
The functionality of this component is either already included or superc
eded by one of your already installed mods.
Using Language [English]

SKIPPING: [Un-Nerfed Table (Blucher)]
The functionality of this component is either already included or superc
eded by one of your already installed mods.
Using Language [English]

SKIPPING: [Un-Nerfed Table (Blucher)]
The functionality of this component is either already included or superc
eded by one of your already installed mods.
Using Language [English]
Skipping [Use Cleric Level Progression Changes With Un-Nerfed Druid Spell Table
(Blucher)] because it fails its requirements.
Using Language [English]

Does this mean what it says, it was never installed in the first place because another mod has already added this functionality?

So many mods

Matthew.

[the bigg]

Uhh, something's pretty wrong with your game - did you turn (portions of) the BG2 install read-only or something like that?

[dabus]

It's not recommended to install a game, then remove all the stuff, then reinstall mostly everything and install new stuff on the way. If I look at the components you edited, it's basically up to the top and down again. That is bound to most certainly fail in case you do this with a lot of mods and/or big mods.
(At least that's what I hear sometimes and was told when I started with the BWP.)

So you can edit an install to a certain extend, but not as much as you did.
As a matter of fact, you hosed the install since BGT failed to install, so there's no BG1 in your installation any more. I'd suggest use the backup that was possibly made or reinstall the games from scratch and then install the mods again.

Some mods are skipped if some dependencies are not fulfilled or conflicts are detected. So those mods are skipped.

Edited by dabus, 25 January 2011 - 02:50 PM.

[Miloch]

This is why I suggested just editing the 2da files in a text editor instead. It's easy - just consult the IESDP for formats.

[MrDragon]

This is why I suggested just editing the 2da files in a text editor instead. It's easy - just consult the IESDP for formats.

And that's what I'm going to do, I just thought it was worth giving WeiGui a go. My install is just a BWP install btw, I haven't even run the cleanup batch files so everything should still be there. Obviously something is awry though. I'm averse to a full reinstall because I don't want to lose my save files.

Thanks for your help everyone, the 2da files look quite straightforward so I'll just edit those and put them in the override folder.

Cheers,

Matthew.

[dabus]

Just to make sure if there was a misunderstanding:

You have to reinstall at least the BWP-stuff. And you have to get a clean install back up if you want to do that.

You cannot use those saves right now since you killed the order of the Dialog.tlk when you tried to install new content and/or a mod failed to reinstall.
(If not, please correct me -- they told me that the file is just a sequential one with content appended and text is fetched by the row-numbers. And some line-numbers are stored in the save, so there are faults there. Also, you may have some states in your save that are not defined in your game any more.)


If you don't have a backup of the folder before you ran the WeiGui, you have no chance to continue at the current state. If you manage to reinstall exactly the same way as it was before, you can.

Edited by dabus, 26 January 2011 - 01:15 AM.