Jump to content


Photo

Advice on what mods to play


  • Please log in to reply
39 replies to this topic

#21 Izzy

Izzy
  • Member
  • 82 posts

Posted 13 January 2011 - 07:26 PM

People new to modding their installs should not be uninstalling/reinstalling mods that aren't at the end of their install. For people who are more experienced and understand the risks, sure, but new users? It's so easy to mess things up if it's not done right.

How are they to learn then, if not from their own mistakes ? Mine ? Yes but, that's not as easy... and you cannot remember everything that way either. And without risks there is no rewards... we don't live in the Kindergarten anymore.


Ok. So let me get this straight...if I want to add or uninstall anything after I've completed all my installs...I need that bif thing? Or should I have downloaded that first? Is that why I'm still having minor weird things happening? :huh: Is this really that necessary?

Edited by Izzy, 13 January 2011 - 07:28 PM.

Ooo, squirells, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!

 


#22 Choo Choo

Choo Choo

    AIR CONDITIONER GRILL

  • Modder
  • 3001 posts

Posted 13 January 2011 - 07:52 PM

Izzy, unless you're absolutely sure what you're doing, you're best off installing only the mods you want - manually, one by one - in the correct order; like Liam said, if you're not sure, don't go and uninstall mods that aren't at the end of your install.

theacefes: You have to be realistic as well, you can't just be Swedish!


#23 Kaeloree

Kaeloree

    Head Molder

  • Administrator
  • 9200 posts

Posted 13 January 2011 - 07:53 PM

And if you want a BWP install, go back and reinstall everything. Don't try to make changes after the fact, because unless you know what you're doing it can be difficult, and end in tears.

#24 Izzy

Izzy
  • Member
  • 82 posts

Posted 13 January 2011 - 08:52 PM

That's what I thought. I have all kinds of mods installed that I tried to make sure after hours of research that I installed them all in the correct order up to and including BPv180. I shied away from BWP because frankly it scared me. I printed instructions (I have instructions for everything all over the place) which brings me to why it scares me. The "what is compatable" and "what should or should not be installed" or "what parts of each mod should or should not be installed" is somewhat contradictory in some of these readme instruction things. :wacko: I'm still having a few minor issues. But alomost everything is working fine without it. I think. :blink: I am kind of OCD when it comes to these things. This is not the first (or last) time I will do a complete install. But next time I'm going to back up the whole freshly patched thing on a cd. (I'm still doing research.)

Ooo, squirells, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!

 


#25 Jarno Mikkola

Jarno Mikkola

    The Imp in his pink raincoat.

  • Member
  • 10911 posts

Posted 13 January 2011 - 11:29 PM

Izzy, unless you're absolutely sure what you're doing, you're best off installing only the mods you want - manually, one by one - in the correct order; like Liam said, if you're not sure, don't go and uninstall mods that aren't at the end of your install.

And this is where our opinions differ, lots.
Because there is no correct order to find, especially for mods that need to have their own fixes made by megamoding community(SOS & BGT-WeiDU + other mods, together) so that they are compatible.

That's what I thought. I have all kinds of mods installed that I tried to make sure after hours of research that I installed them all in the correct order up to and including BPv180. I shied away from BWP because frankly it scared me. I printed instructions (I have instructions for everything all over the place) which brings me to why it scares me. The "what is compatable" and "what should or should not be installed" or "what parts of each mod should or should not be installed" is somewhat contradictory in some of these readme instruction things. :wacko: I'm still having a few minor issues. But alomost everything is working fine without it. I think. :blink: I am kind of OCD when it comes to these things. This is not the first (or last) time I will do a complete install. But next time I'm going to back up the whole freshly patched thing on a cd. (I'm still doing research.)

One of the main reasons the BWS is so good is because you really don't need backups, as the process can be restarted 1000 times and you can always walk away with a clean install from it(if you make the backup, and restore it)... and the downloads are saved to their own folder.
The BWP guide itself can lie on the compatibilities because it's not really uptodate to the most recent changes the mods were made to have or just uptodate with the German counter part, even though it's probably newer than any of the 275(out of 300+) readme's that the mods have... so I would go with the BWS as it's the most recent and somewhat reliable source of compatibility. And if it isn't, you can always make a bug report and it will be handled.

Edited by Jarno Mikkola, 13 January 2011 - 11:30 PM.

Deactivated account. The user today is known as The Imp.


#26 Izzy

Izzy
  • Member
  • 82 posts

Posted 14 January 2011 - 01:57 PM

Izzy, unless you're absolutely sure what you're doing, you're best off installing only the mods you want - manually, one by one - in the correct order; like Liam said, if you're not sure, don't go and uninstall mods that aren't at the end of your install.

And this is where our opinions differ, lots.
Because there is no correct order to find, especially for mods that need to have their own fixes made by megamoding community(SOS & BGT-WeiDU + other mods, together) so that they are compatible.

That's what I thought. I have all kinds of mods installed that I tried to make sure after hours of research that I installed them all in the correct order up to and including BPv180. I shied away from BWP because frankly it scared me. I printed instructions (I have instructions for everything all over the place) which brings me to why it scares me. The "what is compatable" and "what should or should not be installed" or "what parts of each mod should or should not be installed" is somewhat contradictory in some of these readme instruction things. :wacko: I'm still having a few minor issues. But alomost everything is working fine without it. I think. :blink: I am kind of OCD when it comes to these things. This is not the first (or last) time I will do a complete install. But next time I'm going to back up the whole freshly patched thing on a cd. (I'm still doing research.)

One of the main reasons the BWS is so good is because you really don't need backups, as the process can be restarted 1000 times and you can always walk away with a clean install from it(if you make the backup, and restore it)... and the downloads are saved to their own folder.
The BWP guide itself can lie on the compatibilities because it's not really uptodate to the most recent changes the mods were made to have or just uptodate with the German counter part, even though it's probably newer than any of the 275(out of 300+) readme's that the mods have... so I would go with the BWS as it's the most recent and somewhat reliable source of compatibility. And if it isn't, you can always make a bug report and it will be handled.


Not to be a pest, but I understand there's somewhere I can go in my download to see a list of every thing I downloaded (I lost the sheet I had it written on) and if so...could you(Jarno) or someone take a look at it to see if I did something wrong or am missing something? I really want to learn to do this stuff for myself but I have to start somewhere. Please? :crying: I'll help with whatever you need help with.

Ooo, squirells, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!

 


#27 Jarno Mikkola

Jarno Mikkola

    The Imp in his pink raincoat.

  • Member
  • 10911 posts

Posted 14 January 2011 - 02:45 PM

Not to be a pest, but I understand there's somewhere I can go in my download to see a list of every thing I downloaded (I lost the sheet I had it written on) and if so...

:lol: Pest :lol: , no stupid questions... Remember !?!

could you(Jarno) or someone take a look at it to see if I did something wrong or am missing something? I really want to learn to do this stuff for myself but I have to start somewhere. Please? :crying: I'll help with whatever you need help with.

Well, assuming you use the BWS, the download folder you set on this page:
Posted Image - has all the archives. The BWS itself can recheck that everything is downloaded if you go back a few steps with the Back button, but you might have to re-extract the archives... and the BiG World Install.bat also comes with a check that lists the mods not extracted... but I don't know if the BWS disables that.

Deactivated account. The user today is known as The Imp.


#28 Izzy

Izzy
  • Member
  • 82 posts

Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:04 PM

Not to be a pest, but I understand there's somewhere I can go in my download to see a list of every thing I downloaded (I lost the sheet I had it written on) and if so...

:lol: Pest :lol: , no stupid questions... Remember !?!

could you(Jarno) or someone take a look at it to see if I did something wrong or am missing something? I really want to learn to do this stuff for myself but I have to start somewhere. Please? :crying: I'll help with whatever you need help with.

Well, assuming you use the BWS, the download folder you set on this page:
Posted Image - has all the archives. The BWS itself can recheck that everything is downloaded if you go back a few steps with the Back button, but you might have to re-extract the archives... and the BiG World Install.bat also comes with a check that lists the mods not extracted... but I don't know if the BWS disables that.


Stupid questions??!!! Why you...this is you-> :devil: Oh and by the way since you took so long to answer I found it on my own SO THERE. And no I didn't use BWS. All I have is a weidu-log. Will that do? Are you going to help me now or not? For the love of Pete I think you enjoy doing this to me.

Ooo, squirells, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!

 


#29 Jarno Mikkola

Jarno Mikkola

    The Imp in his pink raincoat.

  • Member
  • 10911 posts

Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:58 PM

Stupid questions??!!! Why you...this is you-> :devil: Oh and by the way since you took so long to answer I found it on my own SO THERE. And no I didn't use BWS. All I have is a weidu-log. Will that do? Are you going to help me now or not? For the love of Pete I think you enjoy doing this to me.

Post the WeiDU.log's content and well see then. Open it with Notepad and copy-paste, preferably in
[spoiler]text[/spoiler]
-tag's.
And yes, the WeiDU.log lists the mods that were installed, not the once that were downloaded... what comes to the timing, we and I have games to play, GoW etc. :P

When fleeing, it's not whether or not your faster than the monster. What's important is that your faster than everyone else.

Isn't that ???
When fleeing, it's not whether or not you are faster than the monsters. What's important is that you are faster than the slowest on your side. :devil:

Edited by Jarno Mikkola, 14 January 2011 - 04:10 PM.

Deactivated account. The user today is known as The Imp.


#30 Izzy

Izzy
  • Member
  • 82 posts

Posted 14 January 2011 - 04:36 PM

Spoiler


Thank You!!! :hug:

When fleeing, it's not whether or not your faster than the monster. What's important is that your faster than everyone else.

Isn't that ???
When fleeing, it's not whether or not you are faster than the monsters. What's important is that you are faster than the slowest on your side.
Personally I would not want to be second to last either. What if your being chased by the Tarrasque? You want as many people as you can get between you and him. He might eventually be full before he gets to you.
Enjoy Gow. See ya!

Ooo, squirells, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!

 


#31 Jarno Mikkola

Jarno Mikkola

    The Imp in his pink raincoat.

  • Member
  • 10911 posts

Posted 14 January 2011 - 05:19 PM

Well, that Weidu.log seems almost good, almost because of this:

...
~SETUP-TS-BP.TP2~ #0 #0 // TORTURED SOULS v6.10 (BP Compatible Version)
~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #0 #0 // Ascension v1.41 (requires ToB)
~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #0 #1 // Tougher Abazigal (optional, requires ToB)
~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #0 #3 // Tougher Gromnir (optional, requires ToB)
~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #0 #5 // Tougher Yaga-Shura (optional, requires ToB)

The almost is because that mod overwrites a whole a lot of files and so might brake a lot of them. IF the BWP's Fixpack doesn't update it, and in your game it has not... but I wouldn't say that that game doesn't definitely work, it has some minor bugs, but I am not aware of one that would brake the whole game. So you might as well try to play with it, if you intend to make a game without the BWP/BWS.

Personally I would not want to be second to last either. What if your being chased by the Tarrasque? You want as many people as you can get between you and him. He might eventually be full before he gets to you.

Well, you don't want to be the fastest especially if you intent to survive and you have a choice as there's several people in your group, because if you are the fastest, you are already too far a head when the monsters have a group in where you try to go, and if you end up being the last because the last one just died, you should have been faster than what you were... before you died. :)

Deactivated account. The user today is known as The Imp.


#32 Izzy

Izzy
  • Member
  • 82 posts

Posted 14 January 2011 - 06:55 PM

Is there a BP fixpack? I don't recall seeing one. Well and if there is, isn't it too late to do anything about it now. I can't install a fixpack after the tweakpack right? But this would be for the next time I do a clean install. I seem to do that a lot. <_< Or I suppose next time I could try BWP/BWS (whatever it is). :mellow: But you are right. It is playable. I've gone through Saerileth, Tsujatha, & Edwin for romances so I've played it at least 3 times now. Some things are not working right but they are so minor I don't mind too much. (Actually this is where the OCD kicks in and it's driving me nuts :wacko: , but I play on.) Or I go play something else.

Thanks again for looking! :)

P.S. What's your take on this saying...

Those who fight and run away, live to fight another day.


Ooo, squirells, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!

 


#33 Jarno Mikkola

Jarno Mikkola

    The Imp in his pink raincoat.

  • Member
  • 10911 posts

Posted 15 January 2011 - 02:49 AM

Is there a BP fixpack? I don't recall seeing one.

Nope, it's called BWP Fixpack... and yeah it's too late to set that up as it's made to be installed by the BiG World Install.bat, prior it actually installs any of those mods, as it overwrites/repairs/fixes files if they are in the game folder... it also alters the .tp2 files(the mods actual install code) so that if they have a set code at the set point in the file, that has been identified to cause problem within the BWP install, the BWP Fixpack can make the line so it doesn't cause problems, that is IF it's there, if it's already been altered (hopefully )not to cause problem, the BWP Fixpack does nothing-- so it can somewhat intelligently patch the files.

P.S. What's your take on this saying...

Those who fight and run away, live to fight another day.

I would prefer the more pessimistic approach, perhaps and say:

Those who fight and run away, live to die another day.


so I've played it at least 3 times now.

:blink: So this means that there was a trap somewhere there and I walked right across it, without falling... too hard on my little tail. ^_^
:wub:

:hmm:

Ok. So let me get this straight...if I want to add or uninstall anything after I've completed all my installs...I need that bif thing? Or should I have downloaded that first? Is that why I'm still having minor weird things happening? :huh: Is this really that necessary?

I never go to answer this.
Erhm, no. You need to do a whole new reinstall if you have a mod the biffs the files in the old way, the list is extensive:

NEJ, TDD, SoS, CtB, TS-BP and, BGT-WeiDU, NeJ2 for the BG2, and also the old BP... as well as the big BG1 mods: DSotSC, NTotSC, SoBH, Drizztsaga.


Edited by Jarno Mikkola, 15 January 2011 - 03:47 AM.

Deactivated account. The user today is known as The Imp.


#34 Izzy

Izzy
  • Member
  • 82 posts

Posted 15 January 2011 - 07:00 AM

P.S. What's your take on this saying...[quote]Those who fight and run away, live to fight another day.[/quote][/quote] I would prefer the more pessimistic approach, perhaps and say: [quote]Those who fight and run away, live to die another day.[/quote]

That would make us all undead. :o Hoppy would probably like that. If one goes by his portrait.

[quote name='Izzy' date='15 January 2011 - 04:55 AM' timestamp='1295060105' post='505109']so I've played it at least 3 times now.[/quote] :blink: So this means that there was a trap somewhere there and I walked right across it, without falling... too hard on my little tail. ^_^
:wub:

Actually that's 3 times with this installation. I have installed...uninstalled...installed...uninstalled so many times I have lost count.
As to the rest of what you said...What? What trap? :huh:

Ooo, squirells, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!

 


#35 juggernautx

juggernautx
  • Member
  • 12 posts

Posted 16 January 2011 - 06:51 AM

Thanks for the help everyone, I restored a back-up and reinstalled a few mods(didn't install the darkest day this time, had to re-roll because i had a ' Lord' paladin in te previous save), it's working fine now. There's only one thing that bothers me; there's alot of NPC' s that have their audio in German, has anyone ever had this problem before?

If not, it doesn't matter that much, i'm glad I can play!

#36 Jarno Mikkola

Jarno Mikkola

    The Imp in his pink raincoat.

  • Member
  • 10911 posts

Posted 16 January 2011 - 07:36 AM

there's alot of NPC' s that have their audio in German, has anyone ever had this problem before?

You probably got the Ascalon's Questpack mod or the Ascalon's Breagar mod installed and one of them makes the NPCs talk German... a known problem among users. The fix should involve just making sure that you select the "Do not install foreign-language mods", in this screen:
Posted Image

Edited by Jarno Mikkola, 16 January 2011 - 07:37 AM.

Deactivated account. The user today is known as The Imp.


#37 juggernautx

juggernautx
  • Member
  • 12 posts

Posted 16 January 2011 - 07:44 AM

ooh alright, i'll do that tomorrow evening because reinstalling took me another 3 hours yesterday and i'd like to continue playing today hehe.

#38 juggernautx

juggernautx
  • Member
  • 12 posts

Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:10 AM

A little update for those who are Interested. I've finished chapter 1 2 and 3 and I've visited multiple areas with NO crashes and only 1 bug(bjornin disappearing from the jovial juggler) so you guys(modders and such) have done an awesome job. The only mod I did not like so far is the BG1 npc mod, I preferred the NPC's the way they were.

Edited by juggernautx, 20 January 2011 - 06:20 AM.


#39 Jarno Mikkola

Jarno Mikkola

    The Imp in his pink raincoat.

  • Member
  • 10911 posts

Posted 20 January 2011 - 07:25 AM

A little update for those who are Interested. I've finished chapter 1 2 and 3 and I've visited multiple areas with NO crashes and only 1 bug(bjornin disappearing from the jovial juggler) so you guys(modders and such) have done an awesome job. The only mod I did not like so far is the BG1 npc mod, I preferred the NPC's the way they were.

Yeah, well, sometimes they might seem to talk a little too much especially at the beginning... but they'll run out of things to say, and sometimes it's better that that time comes later rather than sooner. The same goes in the amount of NPCs in the game, it's better to have more than not enough, as then one wouldn't be able to make the decisions you wish to make.
Glad you seem over all successful and happy.

Edited by Jarno Mikkola, 20 January 2011 - 07:29 AM.

Deactivated account. The user today is known as The Imp.


#40 OregonPinkRose

OregonPinkRose
  • Member
  • 3 posts

Posted 11 April 2011 - 01:29 PM

@juggernautx, So what was your final list of Mods?