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[the bigg]

I need these phrases translated to both German and Russian:

@20000 = ~Trival dual-classing.~
@20001 = ~Deprecated - doesn't yet work~
@21000 = ~Party Members can facestab too!~
@21001 = ~Always~
@21002 = ~Only when under the effect of Non-Detection~
@21003 = ~Requires 'Configurable Backstab Every Hit' from Acension64's TobEx (http://bit.ly/i8awTx)~
@21004 = ~%SOURCE_EXT% effect cloning is not (yet) supported. Report this and I'll support it.~

and these translated only to Russian:

@19000 = ~Gain stats as you level up~
@19001 = ~%_kit% has a non-zero modifier to %Stat%. This isn't allowed (yet). Report this and I'll allow it.~
@19002 = ~%_kit% has a non-zero modifier to %Stat%. This isn't allowed and can't be allowed, unfortunately.~
@19003 = ~Nobody can advance over their racial maximum.~
@19004 = ~Only the main character can advance over their racial maximum.~
@19005 = ~Everybody can advance over their racial maximum.~
@19100 = ~Indeed, <HESHE> has trained diligently to improve <HISHER> %Stat%.~
@19101 = ~No, since <HESHE> already is as %adjective% as possible for a <RACE>.~
@19102 = ~But <HESHE> has also utilized <HISHER>...~
@19103 = ~<GABBER> is as %adjective% as possible for a <RACE> only because of a magical enchantment, but <HESHE> could still increase <HISHER> natural %Stat%.~
@19104 = ~<GABBER> will try again in eight hours, after removing items and spells affecting <HISHER> %Stat%.~
@19105 = ~Yes! <GABBER> is now %comparative%.~
@19106 = ~Will that be enough for <HIMHER> to become %comparative%?~
@19107 = ~<GABBER> thinks of <HISHER> adventures with you.~
@19108 = ~If you see this you're either cheating or experiencing a bug in tb#tweaks.~
@19109 = ~Through the hardships of the Life, <HESHE> has been training <HISHER>...~
@19110 = ~<GABBER> returns <HISHER> thoughts to the task at hand.~
@19112 = ~Nothing.~

// Only translate columns #1, #2 and #3. In #2 and #3, use the underscore _
// rather than space, as per the 'more_intelligent' example. Use words that
// don't require spaces in #1.

<<<<<<<< stats.2da
Strength strong stronger STR 44
Dexterity dextrous more_dextrous DEX 15
Constitution healthy healthier CON 10
Intelligence intelligent more_intelligent INT 19
Wisdom wise wiser WIS 49
Charisma charismatic more_charismatic CHR 6
>>>>>>>>

Edited by the bigg, 30 December 2010 - 12:15 PM.

[Leonardo Watson]

@ 20000 = ~Gewöhnliche Zweiklassenzugehörigkeit~
@ 20001 = ~Verworfen - funktioniert noch nicht~
@ 21000 = ~Gruppenmitglieder können auch Gesichtsstiche ausführen!~
@ 21001 = ~Immer~
@ 21002 = ~Nur solange Unauffindbarkeit wirkt~
@ 21003 = ~Benötigt "Configurable Backstab Every Hit" aus Acension64s Tobex (http://bit.ly/i8awTx)~
@ 21004 = ~%SOURCE_EXT% Wirkung kopieren wird (noch) nicht unterstützt. Berichtet davon, und ich werde sie unterstützen.~

[prowler]

<<<<<<<< stats.2da
Strength strong stronger STR 44
Dexterity dextrous more_dextrous DEX 15
Constitution healthy healthier CON 10
Intelligence intelligent more_intelligent INT 19
Wisdom wise wiser WIS 49
Charisma charismatic more_charismatic CHR 6
>>>>>>>>

What does it mean? These lines In-game or in Dos-window?
Also I need to know which lines shown in DOS-window.

[the bigg]

Leonardo: thanks.

Prowler: @2* and @190* are in DOS, whereas @191* and those lines are in game. The first column ('Dexterity') is the name of the in-game stat, the second column ('dextrous') is the corresponding adjective, and the third column ('more_dextrous') the adjective's comparative; the fourth and fifth ('DEX' and '5') are scripting-related and shouldn't be translated.

As usual, you should upload the thing as an attached .txt to avoid the forum software destroying your encoding.

Edited by the bigg, 25 December 2010 - 09:06 AM.

[prowler]

All done except:

@20000 = ~Trival dual-classing.~
What is this word TRIVAL? What daoe it mean?

@19102 = ~But <HESHE> has also utilized <HISHER>...~
eeeerr Totally misunderstand.

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[GeN1e]

@19102 = ~But <HESHE> has also utilized <HISHER>...~
eeeerr Totally misunderstand.

I think after compiling it will look like ~But <HESHE> has also utilized <HISHER> %Item of Stat Boosting%.~

<<<<<<<< stats.2da
Strength strong stronger STR 44
Dexterity dextrous more_dextrous DEX 15
Constitution healthy healthier CON 10
Intelligence intelligent more_intelligent INT 19
Wisdom wise wiser WIS 49
Charisma charismatic more_charismatic CHR 6
>>>>>>>>

Not gonna be translatable. Strong/dextrous/etc. differ for male/female in other languages, Russian in particular.
That's what you get to deal with when smartass modders interwine their code with English text strings, instead of giving a thought about poor translator guys and supplying a clean TRA

@Prowler
In case Bigg won't listen to me and recode the thing, these are better off this way:
более_ловкий -> проворнее
более_здоровый -> выносливее
более_харизматичный -> харизматичнее

Edited by GeN1e, 27 December 2010 - 02:16 PM.

[the bigg]

@20000: trivial; in this case, it means that when you do a dual X (Y) -> Z you regain X's old abilities at 2nd level rather than (Y+1)th. Of course, the component isn't actually available (turns out I didn't reverse enough of the .exe), so it doesn't matter short term.

@19102:
SAY ~But <HESHE> has also utilized <HISHER>...~
IF ~Something()~ THEN REPLY ~Strength~ GOTO blahblah
IF ~Something()~ THEN REPLY ~Dexterity~ GOTO blahblah
etc.

Re: using 'real' .tra entries, the day I copy/paste that sort of code rather than abstract it with a 2da is the day I'll eat my modding license. I think I can code it so that it generates dialog/dialogf pairs if you provide both stats.2da and statsf.2da; would that be enough for Russian? If not, in this particular case I can actually create individual .tra entries for the six attributes, but I'd rather keep my code DRY and not let it DIE.

Edited by the bigg, 27 December 2010 - 02:56 PM.

[GeN1e]

Re: using 'real' .tra entries, the day I copy/paste that sort of code rather than abstract it with a 2da is the day I'll eat my modding license. I think I can code it so that it generates dialog/dialogf pairs if you provide both stats.2da and statsf.2da; would that be enough for Russian? If not, in this particular case I can actually create individual .tra entries for the six attributes, but I'd rather keep my code DRY and not let it DIE.

Telling me that macros and 2DAs are preferable over copypasting is a total waste of time, you probably know this
Instead I've been talking about involving non-coders into this, or at least not giving enough thought about simplifying life for them - because translators are contributors to a mod, not idiot users who do not check on readme files first.

Statsf.2da should do the trick, I think. Adjective and comparative. Sorry for not attaching the update, but I would rather stay away from encoding, since I only deal with english.

[the bigg]

Telling me that macros and 2DAs are preferable over copypasting is a total waste of time, you probably know this

Copypasta is faster than programming this sort of thing in tp2 short-term; the advantage of 'my' approach lies in easier support down the line (and I'll have you know that I was writing scripts at run-time without strict need before we had INNER_ACTION ).

Instead I've been talking about involving non-coders into this, or at least not giving enough thought about simplifying life for them - because translators are contributors to a mod, not idiot users who do not check on readme files first.

It looks to me like I'm helping you, am I not? I know I'm not proactive about supporting translators when doing tricky stuff, but I'm not too good at thinking ahead about translation problems (keep in mind those strings were using 'he' rather than <HESHE> because I'm that good at supporting females).

[the bigg]

Now I have this:
.tra:

@19108 = ~If you see this you're either cheating or experiencing a bug in tb#tweaks.~

@19107 = ~<GABBER> thinks of <HISHER> adventures with you.~
@19109 = ~Through the hardships of the Life, <HESHE> has been training <HISHER>...~
@19102 = ~But <HESHE> has also utilized <HISHER>...~
@19111 = ~...%Stat%.~ // Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, ...
         ~...%Statf%.~
@19112 = ~Nothing.~


@19100 = ~Indeed, <HESHE> has trained diligently to improve <HISHER> %Stat%.~
         ~Indeed, <HESHE> has trained diligently to improve <HISHER> %Statf%.~

@19106 = ~Will that be enough for <HIMHER> to become %comparative%?~ // stronger, more dextrous, healtier, ...
         ~Will that be enough for <HIMHER> to become %comparativef%?~
         
@19105 = ~Yes! <GABBER> is now %comparative%.~
         ~Yes! <GABBER> is now %comparativef%.~

@19101 = ~No, since <HESHE> already is as %adjective% as possible for a <RACE>.~ // strong, dextrous, healthy, ...
         ~No, since <HESHE> already is as %adjectivef% as possible for a <RACE>.~
@19103 = ~<GABBER> is as %adjective% as possible for a <RACE> only because of a magical enchantment, but <HESHE> could still increase <HISHER> natural %Stat%.~
         ~<GABBER> is as %adjectivef% as possible for a <RACE> only because of a magical enchantment, but <HESHE> could still increase <HISHER> natural %Statf%.~
@19104 = ~<GABBER> will try again in eight hours, after removing items and spells affecting <HISHER> %Stat%.~
         ~<GABBER> will try again in eight hours, after removing items and spells affecting <HISHER> %Statf%.~

@19110 = ~<GABBER> returns <HISHER> thoughts to the task at hand.~

.tpa:

// Only translate columns #1, #2 and #3; use the underscore _  rather than
// space, as per the 'more_intelligent' example.

// male variant
<<<<<<<< stats.2da
Strength     strong      stronger         STR 44
Dexterity    dextrous    more_dextrous    DEX 15
Constitution healthy     healthier        CON 10
Intelligence intelligent more_intelligent INT 19
Wisdom       wise        wiser            WIS 49
Charisma     charismatic more_charismatic CHR 6
>>>>>>>>

// female variant
<<<<<<<< statsf.2da
Strength     strong      stronger
Dexterity    dextrous    more_dextrous
Constitution healthy     healthier
Intelligence intelligent more_intelligent
Wisdom       wise        wiser
Charisma     charismatic more_charismatic
>>>>>>>>

Do you have more suggestions on making this easier on translators?

[Aldark]

@20000: trivial;

There is mistake in .tra line - trival, not trivial.

Edited by Aldark, 28 December 2010 - 09:17 AM.

[the bigg]

Cheers, fixed. Now I understand why prowler was having trouble finding it in the dictionary

[prowler]

update.

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Edited by prowler, 28 December 2010 - 11:39 AM.

[prowler]

@21003 = ~Requires 'Configurable Backstab Every Hit' from Acension64's TobEx (http://bit.ly/i8awTx)~
typo

[the bigg]

Thanks for the typo. Could you translate from this post so you can properly handle female characters?

Edited by the bigg, 28 December 2010 - 12:31 PM.

[prowler]

ready

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[the bigg]

Thank you. Time to upload...

[prowler]

For future. 1 file in russian translation need to be updated.

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