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[Turambar]

I had quite a lot of CTDs, and, after some experiments (as described in this post), the problem appearently comes from the thieves galore mod.

The game crashed every time a female elf bard or thief (Keiria from dsotsc, but I also started a new game with TOBTHIEF, and I got the same ctd) attacked when she was facing West, always in the same moment, when she lifted her sword.

I change-log-ed the animation (it's all written on that post), and your mod was the only one which had modified that.

After disabling some 3d effect, the CTDs stopped, but, when I attacked again facing West, it looked as if a frame in the animation was missing.

Now I'm playing without 3d effects, but that's quite ugly actually. Could you please check if the animations are all right, or if a frame is really missing?

Edited by Turambar, 09 July 2010 - 01:22 AM.

[Miloch]

I wrote a utility to check the frame integrity of all the BAMs, but it's taking absolutely forever to run. And once it does, I'm not sure it's going to tell me anything.

Can you see if it happens with different armour levels (no armour, leather, and if you can cheat it on to your thief character, something heavier like chain or plate)? And also if it happens with different weapon types, because it's possible one of the weapon animations is messed up. It is also possible the BAMs are fine and the .exe patch is messed up somehow, in which case I can be of absolutely no help.

[Miloch]

Nevermind checking the armour levels - "BAM-Scan" came through eventually (after some trial runs and debugging).

It turns out there were some frames with invalid offsets, in pretty much the spots you indicated facing northwesterly, in 2 attack sequences and 1 casting sequence:

(ceft2a1-frame77, ceft2a2-frame95, ceft2ca-frame222)

These offsets were repeated, so for example an offset by 13 pixels was offset by 1313 pixels. This could throw the frame off the screen and no doubt cause a crash.

Anyway, extract these to your game's override (if 1PP Thieves is already installed) or to 1pp_thieves_galore/files/CEFT2 before installing. Only the leather-wearing thieves were affected; CEFT1 and CEFT3 were ok.

 cef2.rar   225.22K   383 downloads

[Sam.]

I wrote a utility to check the frame integrity of all the BAMs, but it's taking absolutely forever to run. And once it does, I'm not sure it's going to tell me anything.

Is that something you are willing to share on an "as-is, per-request" basis?

[Miloch]

Is that something you are willing to share on an "as-is, per-request" basis?

I was just going to add it to BAM Batcher in the next release, but I highly doubt it'll be useful to anyone else. It is only really applicable to folks who are building complex BAMs (creature animations) by hand. There is already an option in BAM Batcher to fix the offsets of simpler BAMs like inventory icons. FWIW, I ran the utility on all the other 1PP thief and dwarf animations, and only the female elf thief BAMs I posted above had issues.

[Turambar]

Nevermind checking the armour levels - "BAM-Scan" came through eventually (after some trial runs and debugging).

It turns out there were some frames with invalid offsets, in pretty much the spots you indicated facing northwesterly, in 2 attack sequences and 1 casting sequence:

(ceft2a1-frame77, ceft2a2-frame95, ceft2ca-frame222)

Yes, the first one was exactly the one I usually saw when the game freezed (or maybe the frame just before).

Anyway, extract these to your game's override (if 1PP Thieves is already installed) or to 1pp_thieves_galore/files/CEFT2 before installing. Only the leather-wearing thieves were affected; CEFT1 and CEFT3 were ok.

 cef2.rar   225.22K   383 downloads

Thank you very much, it works perfectly now (though Branwen will be quite angry now after all the times I attacked her with Keiria to check it ).

Thanks, you're always really helpful!

[Erephine]

Noted (and fixed! )

Also updated the WeiDU executable and added CA to the IS_GAME check while I was at it.

Can anyone verify it installs okay and I didn't accidentally break everything?

[ScuD]

Probably lcarmor.spl and lcrobe.spl should be renamed to lcarmor2.spl and lcrobe2.spl.
Or lcarmor2.eff and lcrobe2.eff should be changed to use lcarmor.spl and lcrobe.spl.

[Erephine]

Why?

[ScuD]

Right now LCARMOR2.EFF uses LCARMOR2.SPL. There's no such SPL file in my install. Same for LCROBE2.

[Erephine]

If you look at how the component works, I think those .eff files aren't actually used.

It looks like they're a leftover from version 1 of this component, which called .effs rather than the spells directly.

[ScuD]

Ah, OK. Didn't know that. Just noticed the missing resource in NI, decided to clarify

[Erephine]

No worries

We could (should?) probably remove it from the installer, but at this point I'm a bit anxious to touch anything that works (especially if it's just because of 270 bytes).


And I just noticed I forgot to add CA to the check for the component.