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[dabus]

If I did not misinterpret the last sentence: Why would you want that?

SKIPPING 14 [Level-50 Ruleset (Code By King Diamond)]?
If TDD is installed already, this step is skipped because this component already exists.

[AndrewB]

the Grandmastery fixes, I meant.

[Jarno Mikkola]

the Grandmastery fixes, I meant.

Well, we live with the BWS 8.. not with the BWS 9+.x as then you could install everything component by component.

But the problem here is not that the other 50 level rules are incompatible with the TDD's 50 level rules, but that the TDD's need to be installed before as it's not separate component, and that it fracks the install if you install any of them before the TDD's... and you'll have to overwrite the wspatck.2da file anyway if you wish to take other system take priority... and the word 'incompatible', or at least the use of it.

[Leomar]

aVENGER mentioned over at G3 that the sharpshooter kit from S&S needed to be installed before RR .... but the guide has the kits being installed after the first steps of RR ... the sharpshooter kit does throw a bunch of errors and roll back if installed after RR. on my current install i have tried installing just that one kit before RR, but i have yet to test it ... also, i don't know if aVENGER's mod changes any properties of the kit once installed on top ... sorry if this was mentioned before, i didn't want to navigate through all the pages.

the G3 thread is here

Sorry, but if you check the BWP guide and for all the Install.bat, then you can see that we install all Song and Silence kits before Rogue Rebalancing.

Greetings Leomar

[Lollorian]

CLUAConsole:MoveToArea("BH0100")

It's times like this when I wish there was a BWP Area List (like this BGII-ToB one here) but with all the megamod/small/big/imba/fun/joke/nasty mod areas out there

[Jarno Mikkola]

It's times like this when I wish there was a BWP Area List ...

You mean that this doesn't exist... just because it's on German site, doesn't mean that it should be ignored.

[Lollorian]

Holy ...!!! Astounded man!! sigged

[Rakhu]

Hi, I've restarted and reinstalled BG now for several times, because I wasn't happy with what some mods did. Unfortunately, what some mods really do is not always perfectly documented in a readme. And finding out about it only later in the game is a real pain in the ...

What I expected from using BWP was to add extended gameplay, like additional chars, additional maps, additional missions and maybe a few more items and spells.
What I did not expect was misplaced chars, missing/removed/crippled items, and a completely different armor system...

I know that there are those (and probably many) outside who want those mods too, for playing more tactical and whatever. Thus, it makes perfectly sense to include such "balancing" mods in an install.
However, is there any chance that we will see an install option that does not include any of these mods? Only those that add to the game content, without dramatically modifying the way you play BG?

I do by no means want to critizise BWP as such, it is a fantastic project and the work done so far is really cool, but imho such gameplay-changing mods should be either left out of recommended and standard, or shown on a separate screen for de/selection. Because for my part I'm too lazy and probably stupid to understand all changes and impacts those mods can have. I know the game, I don't want a completely new game, I just want the game as it is because it is already cool, with the added content to make it even more cool.

Hopefully I'm not alone with that opinion, though I can't help thinking of Xan if I read through it again

[Lollorian]

Only those that add to the game content, without dramatically modifying the way you play BG?

Once the component-selection-stuff in the BWS comes out, peeps will be able to save their preferred install orders and probably upload them for others to just import and use (it's still possible, but it'd be broken when the next BWS comes out )

So, there's gonna be a lot more install orders than the Standard-Tactics-Expert stuff you see now

[maximus2001]

Hi, I've restarted and reinstalled BG now for several times, because I wasn't happy with what some mods did. Unfortunately, what some mods really do is not always perfectly documented in a readme. And finding out about it only later in the game is a real pain in the ...

What I expected from using BWP was to add extended gameplay, like additional chars, additional maps, additional missions and maybe a few more items and spells.
What I did not expect was misplaced chars, missing/removed/crippled items, and a completely different armor system...

I know that there are those (and probably many) outside who want those mods too, for playing more tactical and whatever. Thus, it makes perfectly sense to include such "balancing" mods in an install.
However, is there any chance that we will see an install option that does not include any of these mods? Only those that add to the game content, without dramatically modifying the way you play BG?

I do by no means want to critizise BWP as such, it is a fantastic project and the work done so far is really cool, but imho such gameplay-changing mods should be either left out of recommended and standard, or shown on a separate screen for de/selection. Because for my part I'm too lazy and probably stupid to understand all changes and impacts those mods can have. I know the game, I don't want a completely new game, I just want the game as it is because it is already cool, with the added content to make it even more cool.

Hopefully I'm not alone with that opinion, though I can't help thinking of Xan if I read through it again

I agree with this and have also done several installs. To get around problems with drastic mods, etc. you have to really study the BWP pdf, and then the readmes if you still have questions (yes its time consuming). Still, as you said, the readme may be small or incompete. For example, installed the Worgas mod (wildmage with a beholder familiar). Nowhere did it say he is in cage right at the start of game - there are lots of characters there already so it causes juggling party problems. Other readmes just say "Hi I'm bob thanks for getting my mod, enjoy" or something to that effect.

[maximus2001]

The install finally worked! As Lol said, something gets messy in the files with repeated installs. Solved by starting setup again and restoring backup, then reinstall (a la Jarno's directions).

Couple of things:

1)Starting xp of PC in Chateau Irenicus was 44,500 (new BG2 game). What? Solved by shadowkeeper, but still don't remember a mod that changed xp like that.

2)Wild mage kit is messed up. Shows up as regular mage. Identical problem to this wild mage problem

Has happened before a long time ago, and at the time thought it was incompatablity with DO Quest pack modifing kits. This other post says it is BG2 Tweaks component "expanded dual class options".

 Weidu.log   56.38K   163 downloads

[Jarno Mikkola]

1)Starting xp of PC in Chateau Irenicus was 44,500 (new BG2 game). What? Solved by shadowkeeper, but still don't remember a mod that changed xp like that.

That sounds like this component might be doing bad things to it:

~SETUP-XPMOD.TP2~ #0 #12 // Quest XP Reduction -> Reduce to 50%

[Hoppy]

The install finally worked! As Lol said, something gets messy in the files with repeated installs. Solved by starting setup again and restoring backup, then reinstall (a la Jarno's directions).


2)Wild mage kit is messed up. Shows up as regular mage. Identical problem to this wild mage problem


 Weidu.log   56.38K   163 downloads

Please attach your kitlist.2da and kit.ids files. I think they got screwed up by something pretty early in installation. There is not a way to fix it in game but I could take a look as I had had the problem a couple years ago. Maybe my brain will work today and remember.


EDIT: Wildmage additions add their kit(s?) by script if you are a vanilla wildmage so it is not this mod.

Edited by Hoppy, 21 March 2010 - 11:38 AM.

[maximus2001]

The install finally worked! As Lol said, something gets messy in the files with repeated installs. Solved by starting setup again and restoring backup, then reinstall (a la Jarno's directions).


2)Wild mage kit is messed up. Shows up as regular mage. Identical problem to this wild mage problem


 Weidu.log   56.38K   163 downloads

Please attach your kitlist.2da and kit.ids files. I think they got screwed up by something pretty early in installation. There is not a way to fix it in game but I could take a look as I had had the problem a couple years ago. Maybe my brain will work today and remember.


EDIT: Wildmage additions add their kit(s?) by script if you are a vanilla wildmage so it is not this mod.

Thanks H, I remember it was you who also had the prob ( I had noticed it when I was trying Kiara/Zaiya mod).

There are 3 kitlist.2da (Tactics backup/refinements backup/and gen biff backup)
 genbiffKITLIST.rar   2.38K   139 downloads

 refinementsKITLIST.rar   1.65K   152 downloads

 tacticsKITLIST.rar   1.62K   152 downloads

There are 17 kit.ids files in various backup folders. Here are the first few in order of install.

 tdd KIT.rar   453bytes   163 downloads

 SOS KIT.rar   446bytes   148 downloads

 SOS override.KIT.rar   455bytes   160 downloads

 CTB KIT.rar   446bytes   150 downloads

 TS KIT.rar   453bytes   156 downloads

 script compiler KIT.rar   453bytes   160 downloads

 ROT0 KIT.rar   453bytes   146 downloads Rot backup folder 0

 ROT1 KIT.rar   453bytes   157 downloads Rot backup folder 1

 BP KIT.rar   683bytes   160 downloads

[Sylune]

Hi, I love this project, it makes installing all the great mods so much easier! I wanted to ask if it was possible that Alternatives by Berlinde would be included in the next version?

Thanks again, Sylune

[Lollorian]

Ummm, would this wildmage problem have anything to do with (many of) these kinds of blocks in the BALDUR.bcs??

IF
	Kit(Player1,WILDMAGE)
	Class(Player1,MAGE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		ActionOverride(Player1,AddKit(BARBARIANtF))
END

If anyone wants, they're from Refinements...

Attaching my BALDUR.baf for someone to confirm (too big, so might a .rar do?? )

Attached Files

•  BALDUR.rar   50.6K   151 downloads

Edited by Lollorian, 21 March 2010 - 04:53 PM.

[Hoppy]

Ummm, would this wildmage problem have anything to do with (many of) these kinds of blocks in the BALDUR.bcs??

IF
	Kit(Player1,WILDMAGE)
	Class(Player1,MAGE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		ActionOverride(Player1,AddKit(BARBARIANtF))
END

If anyone wants, they're from Refinements...

Attaching my BALDUR.baf for someone to confirm (too big, so might a .rar do?? )

Yes that would because it will give an entirely different kit. Wild and Barb are similar in bytes, but Refinements thinks your WILDMAGE slot is for the BArbarian and so will other scripts and dialogs.

Try Copying BARBARIAN form the line in KIT.IDS and pasting in Kit(Player1,WILDMAGE). Compile, save and reload the Baldur.BCS and see if your changes come up correctly.