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#241 dabus

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 04:57 AM

If I did not misinterpret the last sentence: Why would you want that?

SKIPPING 14 [Level-50 Ruleset (Code By King Diamond)]?
If TDD is installed already, this step is skipped because this component already exists.
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#242 AndrewB

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 05:41 AM

the Grandmastery fixes, I meant.
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#243 Jarno Mikkola

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 06:24 AM

the Grandmastery fixes, I meant.

Well, we live with the BWS 8.. not with the BWS 9+.x as then you could install everything component by component.

But the problem here is not that the other 50 level rules are incompatible with the TDD's 50 level rules, but that the TDD's need to be installed before as it's not separate component, and that it fracks the install if you install any of them before the TDD's... and you'll have to overwrite the wspatck.2da file anyway if you wish to take other system take priority... and the word 'incompatible', or at least the use of it.

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#244 Leomar

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 08:58 AM

aVENGER mentioned over at G3 that the sharpshooter kit from S&S needed to be installed before RR .... but the guide has the kits being installed after the first steps of RR ... the sharpshooter kit does throw a bunch of errors and roll back if installed after RR. on my current install i have tried installing just that one kit before RR, but i have yet to test it ... also, i don't know if aVENGER's mod changes any properties of the kit once installed on top ... sorry if this was mentioned before, i didn't want to navigate through all the pages.

the G3 thread is here

Sorry, but if you check the BWP guide and for all the Install.bat, then you can see that we install all Song and Silence kits before Rogue Rebalancing.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 08:02 PM

Regarding the Mod "Secret of Bonehill". I am beginning to feel extremely sorry I have even attempted this mod. I have run into time after time many different bugs. The worst seems to be the stupid Beholder whom every time I even remotely got close to killing this jerk, my game would crash. Finally I resorted to the cheat kill (had no choice). Now another bug reared it's ugly head. After finding the horn and killing the mage in the castle, I am unable to leave this stupid map and worst of all my dog Haiss is not following me out of the castle. I can see at the bottom of my screen Haiss meets some hobgoblins and dies by poison (meanwhile I am unable to find him). Looks like I'm going to have to cheat again just to get past this mod. Unless there is any other way around these nasty bugs, what is the code to send my characters to the town of Rastenford?

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 08:09 PM

CLUAConsole:MoveToArea("BH0100")
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It's times like this when I wish there was a BWP Area List (like this BGII-ToB one here) but with all the megamod/small/big/imba/fun/joke/nasty mod areas out there :lol:

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#247 Jarno Mikkola

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:28 PM

It's times like this when I wish there was a BWP Area List ...

You mean that this doesn't exist... just because it's on German site, doesn't mean that it should be ignored. :D

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#248 Lollorian

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:37 PM

Holy ...!!! :o Astounded man!! sigged :coolthumb:

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#249 Rakhu

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 08:00 AM

Hi, I've restarted and reinstalled BG now for several times, because I wasn't happy with what some mods did. Unfortunately, what some mods really do is not always perfectly documented in a readme. And finding out about it only later in the game is a real pain in the ...

What I expected from using BWP was to add extended gameplay, like additional chars, additional maps, additional missions and maybe a few more items and spells.
What I did not expect was misplaced chars, missing/removed/crippled items, and a completely different armor system...

I know that there are those (and probably many) outside who want those mods too, for playing more tactical and whatever. Thus, it makes perfectly sense to include such "balancing" mods in an install.
However, is there any chance that we will see an install option that does not include any of these mods? Only those that add to the game content, without dramatically modifying the way you play BG?

I do by no means want to critizise BWP as such, it is a fantastic project and the work done so far is really cool, but imho such gameplay-changing mods should be either left out of recommended and standard, or shown on a separate screen for de/selection. Because for my part I'm too lazy and probably stupid to understand all changes and impacts those mods can have. I know the game, I don't want a completely new game, I just want the game as it is because it is already cool, with the added content to make it even more cool.

Hopefully I'm not alone with that opinion, though I can't help thinking of Xan if I read through it again ;)

#250 Lollorian

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 08:08 AM

Only those that add to the game content, without dramatically modifying the way you play BG?

Once the component-selection-stuff in the BWS comes out, peeps will be able to save their preferred install orders and probably upload them for others to just import and use ;) (it's still possible, but it'd be broken when the next BWS comes out :P)

So, there's gonna be a lot more install orders than the Standard-Tactics-Expert stuff you see now :)

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#251 maximus2001

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 08:59 AM

Hi, I've restarted and reinstalled BG now for several times, because I wasn't happy with what some mods did. Unfortunately, what some mods really do is not always perfectly documented in a readme. And finding out about it only later in the game is a real pain in the ...

What I expected from using BWP was to add extended gameplay, like additional chars, additional maps, additional missions and maybe a few more items and spells.
What I did not expect was misplaced chars, missing/removed/crippled items, and a completely different armor system...

I know that there are those (and probably many) outside who want those mods too, for playing more tactical and whatever. Thus, it makes perfectly sense to include such "balancing" mods in an install.
However, is there any chance that we will see an install option that does not include any of these mods? Only those that add to the game content, without dramatically modifying the way you play BG?

I do by no means want to critizise BWP as such, it is a fantastic project and the work done so far is really cool, but imho such gameplay-changing mods should be either left out of recommended and standard, or shown on a separate screen for de/selection. Because for my part I'm too lazy and probably stupid to understand all changes and impacts those mods can have. I know the game, I don't want a completely new game, I just want the game as it is because it is already cool, with the added content to make it even more cool.

Hopefully I'm not alone with that opinion, though I can't help thinking of Xan if I read through it again ;)



I agree with this and have also done several installs. To get around problems with drastic mods, etc. you have to really study the BWP pdf, and then the readmes if you still have questions (yes its time consuming). Still, as you said, the readme may be small or incompete. For example, installed the Worgas mod (wildmage with a beholder familiar). Nowhere did it say he is in cage right at the start of game - there are lots of characters there already so it causes juggling party problems. Other readmes just say "Hi I'm bob thanks for getting my mod, enjoy" or something to that effect.

#252 maximus2001

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 09:08 AM

The install finally worked! As Lol said, something gets messy in the files with repeated installs. Solved by starting setup again and restoring backup, then reinstall (a la Jarno's directions).

Couple of things:

1)Starting xp of PC in Chateau Irenicus was 44,500 (new BG2 game). What? Solved by shadowkeeper, but still don't remember a mod that changed xp like that.

2)Wild mage kit is messed up. Shows up as regular mage. Identical problem to this wild mage problem

Has happened before a long time ago, and at the time thought it was incompatablity with DO Quest pack modifing kits. This other post says it is BG2 Tweaks component "expanded dual class options".

Attached File  Weidu.log   56.38K   159 downloads

#253 Jarno Mikkola

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 09:32 AM

1)Starting xp of PC in Chateau Irenicus was 44,500 (new BG2 game). What? Solved by shadowkeeper, but still don't remember a mod that changed xp like that.

That sounds like this component might be doing bad things to it:

~SETUP-XPMOD.TP2~ #0 #12 // Quest XP Reduction -> Reduce to 50%


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#254 Hoppy

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 11:25 AM

The install finally worked! As Lol said, something gets messy in the files with repeated installs. Solved by starting setup again and restoring backup, then reinstall (a la Jarno's directions).


2)Wild mage kit is messed up. Shows up as regular mage. Identical problem to this wild mage problem


Attached File  Weidu.log   56.38K   159 downloads



Please attach your kitlist.2da and kit.ids files. I think they got screwed up by something pretty early in installation. There is not a way to fix it in game but I could take a look as I had had the problem a couple years ago. Maybe my brain will work today and remember.


EDIT: Wildmage additions add their kit(s?) by script if you are a vanilla wildmage so it is not this mod.

Edited by Hoppy, 21 March 2010 - 11:38 AM.

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#255 maximus2001

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 02:14 PM


The install finally worked! As Lol said, something gets messy in the files with repeated installs. Solved by starting setup again and restoring backup, then reinstall (a la Jarno's directions).


2)Wild mage kit is messed up. Shows up as regular mage. Identical problem to this wild mage problem


Attached File  Weidu.log   56.38K   159 downloads



Please attach your kitlist.2da and kit.ids files. I think they got screwed up by something pretty early in installation. There is not a way to fix it in game but I could take a look as I had had the problem a couple years ago. Maybe my brain will work today and remember.


EDIT: Wildmage additions add their kit(s?) by script if you are a vanilla wildmage so it is not this mod.


Thanks H, I remember it was you who also had the prob ( I had noticed it when I was trying Kiara/Zaiya mod).

There are 3 kitlist.2da (Tactics backup/refinements backup/and gen biff backup)
Attached File  genbiffKITLIST.rar   2.38K   135 downloads

Attached File  refinementsKITLIST.rar   1.65K   148 downloads

Attached File  tacticsKITLIST.rar   1.62K   145 downloads

There are 17 kit.ids files in various backup folders. Here are the first few in order of install.

Attached File  tdd KIT.rar   453bytes   157 downloads

Attached File  SOS KIT.rar   446bytes   143 downloads

Attached File  SOS override.KIT.rar   455bytes   154 downloads

Attached File  CTB KIT.rar   446bytes   147 downloads

Attached File  TS KIT.rar   453bytes   152 downloads

Attached File  script compiler KIT.rar   453bytes   155 downloads

Attached File  ROT0 KIT.rar   453bytes   141 downloads Rot backup folder 0

Attached File  ROT1 KIT.rar   453bytes   153 downloads Rot backup folder 1

Attached File  BP KIT.rar   683bytes   154 downloads

#256 Sylune

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 02:35 PM

Hi, I love this project, it makes installing all the great mods so much easier! I wanted to ask if it was possible that Alternatives by Berlinde would be included in the next version?

Thanks again, Sylune

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 02:57 PM

At first I was thinking it was the case of WILDMAGE occupying two rows (i.e twice) but this is not the case so I don't know. A lot of people have had problems with Wildmages in a BWP project for a couple years now. It is one of those things where some may notive because they try Wildmages and others are oblivious to the error because they never bother with the kit. That's the underlying problem is that it was never resolved.

Good luck with that one. :)

#258 Lollorian

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 04:51 PM

Ummm, would this wildmage problem have anything to do with (many of) these kinds of blocks in the BALDUR.bcs?? :unsure:
IF
	Kit(Player1,WILDMAGE)
	Class(Player1,MAGE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		ActionOverride(Player1,AddKit(BARBARIANtF))
END
If anyone wants, they're from Refinements...

Attaching my BALDUR.baf for someone to confirm :P (too big, so might a .rar do?? :P)

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Edited by Lollorian, 21 March 2010 - 04:53 PM.

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#259 Hoppy

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 07:46 PM

Ummm, would this wildmage problem have anything to do with (many of) these kinds of blocks in the BALDUR.bcs?? :unsure:

IF
	Kit(Player1,WILDMAGE)
	Class(Player1,MAGE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		ActionOverride(Player1,AddKit(BARBARIANtF))
END
If anyone wants, they're from Refinements...

Attaching my BALDUR.baf for someone to confirm :P (too big, so might a .rar do?? :P)


Yes that would because it will give an entirely different kit. Wild and Barb are similar in bytes, but Refinements thinks your WILDMAGE slot is for the BArbarian and so will other scripts and dialogs.

Try Copying BARBARIAN form the line in KIT.IDS and pasting in Kit(Player1,WILDMAGE). Compile, save and reload the Baldur.BCS and see if your changes come up correctly.
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Posted 21 March 2010 - 09:56 PM

I'm currently playing through my first install of the BWP. I just finished the BG1 portion of the game, but the game crashes (not to desktop, just dies) after talking to Belt. He teleports me, it shows a tiny corner of a map (I assume this would be the Shadow Thieves kidnapping scene) and just dies. I tried several times, and even left it on the screen to see if it would wake up eventually, but no dice.

Any way to get the game back on track without starting a new BG2 game?

I know I can just start a new BG2 game and import my character, but I'd rather continue the current game (and see the Shadow Thieves scene), and have my NPC characters transition over as well (I dual classed Imoen after she reached level 9)

Also, I had a small bug in the Flaming Fist headquarters -- the stairs to go to the second level didn't work at all. Had to use the console to jump upstairs.

I also get the Nadalin bug where he doesn't do anything at all (making most of the Northen coast addition inaccessible), which has been documented elsewhere on this forum. Thing is I used the latest version of the BWP installer (did the install about two weeks ago), so it should be the latest version of everything where that bug doesn't exist anymore -- but it's there. I did update the installer, mod links, etc.