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[the bigg]

I honestly don't know... but I would like the; Int -> Wand, Breath, Poly: Wis -> Spell: Cha -> Hold .... a bit more, perhaps.

Me too; however, 1) some people would likely prefer to stay closer to 3rd edition rules (especially since that's how the component is called), and 2) people like Mike and Galactycon have a better grasp of game balance than me (especially after factoring in the interactions between tb#tweaks and their mod), so I'm waiting for other people's opinions before writing up one solution.

[Mike1072]

I honestly don't know... but I would like the; Int -> Wand, Breath, Poly: Wis -> Spell: Cha -> Hold .... a bit more, perhaps.

Me too; however, 1) some people would likely prefer to stay closer to 3rd edition rules (especially since that's how the component is called), and 2) people like Mike and Galactycon have a better grasp of game balance than me (especially after factoring in the interactions between tb#tweaks and their mod), so I'm waiting for other people's opinions before writing up one solution.

If you want the opinion of someone who knows the game and PnP really well, ask Demi. After years of playing BG2, I still have no idea how most of the spell protections and removals work.

I can say that Spell Revisions assigns saving throws vs. Breath for spells offering a Reflex-type save, Death/Poison/Paralyzation for Fortitude, and Spell for Will.

[the bigg]

I think that settles it for Dex -> Breath, Con -> Death and Wis -> Spell. Shame that Int is still useless and Chr easily replaceable by the rest of your party, though.

[the bigg]

Is this component IWD1 compatible?

I don't even have IWD1 installed, but I suspect it is compatible.

Dex - WAND, Breath, Con - Polymorph, Death/Poison, Wis - Spell = 3rd edition
BUT, Dex & Cha - Wand, breath, Con & Str - Polymorph, Death/Poison, Wis & Int - Spell - even better than 3rd edition, call it 2rd ed inspired homebrew

I chose Dex - WAND, Breath, Con - Polymorph, Death/Poison, Wis - Spell because it integrates nicely with Item Revision / Spell Revision, which assign Reflex-type saves to Breath, Fortitude to Death/Poison and Will to Spell, leaving Wand and Polymorph more or less unused. I could do what you're asking, but to offer the choice between multiple rule sets I'd have to break component numbers (and make it harder to reinstall properly), so I'll only do it more people want this sort of thing. If only you want it I could give you instructions on editing the files.

[Jarno Mikkola]

remember Fallout? where str & con deal with health equally,

Quite sure it didn't in the original games(Fallout & Fallout 2, Fallout Tactics), besides that was Endurance not Constitution, you gained only +1 hit point from Str point, while you gained +2 * Endurance and +1/2 * (character_level - 1) * Endurance...

Edited by Jarno Mikkola, 01 January 2011 - 06:32 AM.

[Quester]

If intelligence could somehow be made less useless for a non-caster, that would be great. And if there could be some use for charisma for more than one member of your party, that would be great too.

I love these 3e stat components even as they are, though!

[Gay Lord]

I have some requests/suggestions for the 3E stats, if you're interested Bigg.

A) Have the mental stats give spell bonuses. I suggest either of the following:

12 = +1 1st level spell
14 = +1 2nd level spell
16 = +1 3rd level spell
18 = +1 4th level spell
...

OR

11 = +1 1st level spell
12 = +1 1st level spell
13 = +1 2nd level spell
14 = +1 2nd level spell
15 = +1 3rd level spell
16 = +1 3rd level spell
17 = +1 4th level spell
18 = +1 4th level spell
19 = +2 5th level spells
20 = +2 6th level spells
21 = +2 7th level spells
22 = +1 1st-4th level spells (+2 8th level spells for wiz)
23 = +1 5th-7th level spells (+2 9th level spells for wiz)
24 = +1 1st-9th level spells
25 = +1 1st-9th level spells

The latter is an alteration of 2E rules for bonus spells for Wisdom. In both cases, the tables would apply to Int, Wis and Cha for Arcane, Divine and Bard spells respectively.

B) I would suggest making five of the stats useful for the five saving throws, maybe something like:

P/P/DM = Con
R/S/W = Int
P/P = Cha (to me, Cha is strength of personality, confidence, the ability to be YOU)
BW = Dex
S = Wis

Assuming you're keeping stat save modifiers as they are, then mental stats still need to be useful for non-casters. How about this:

Int = +5% XP per step. (12 = +5%, 14 = +10%, etc)
Cha = each step equals a luck bonus (thus 18 Cha = +4 luck. Now, those who use cha as a dump stat will have luck penalties)

I would normally put XP bonus into wisdom, but you use that for a save bonus, so... meh. If you do want to apply XP to Wis, then you could have Int give proficiency bonuses, each step giving an extra star to put in weapons.

[the bigg]

Bonuses to spell slots and/or XP causes trouble when you start losing the associated stat; the save bonuses were chosen for integration for Spell Revisions (which switches saves to a 3E -like format); finally, +1 luck is +1 to damage, thac0 and saves... Charisma would be ungodly powerful if I Implemented that.

That said, adding (a revision) the choices you mention is possible, but don't expect it anytime soon.

[Gay Lord]

Fair enough. They were just suggestions on how to make the mental stats less useless compared to the physical stats, particularly Cha.

I personally think spellcasters have too few spells, but that's my problem with D&D in general, not BG.