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[Anomaly]

Hi,

Now that BP 179 is out, BP-Ascension becomes an option, at last !

In the readme, it is written :

17: Ascension

One of my favorite mods from the early days, reproduced and improved upon with David Gaider's permission. Most improvements take the form of bug-fixes (broken Object.IDS entries, to be precise). I wished to keep as much of the original content intact as possible. Note that the various "improved" subcomponents are already hardwired into the BP core (as they have been for years), so you won't miss them just because this option is not offered.

So if I understand correctly, if I install the main BP component and BP Ascension, I should have Ascension and all the Tougher battles, right ?

If this is the case, why the BWP guide is recommending to install all Tougher components from Ascension-WeiDU (but not the core component of Ascension-WeiDU), then BP-Ascension ?

[Chevalier]

So if I understand correctly, if I install the main BP component and BP Ascension, I should have Ascension and all the Tougher battles, right ?

Yes.

If this is the case, why the BWP guide is recommending to install all Tougher components from Ascension-WeiDU (but not the core component of Ascension-WeiDU), then BP-Ascension ?

Because updating the BWP guide is a lot of work, and they have not yet had time.

[horred the plague]

So if I understand correctly, if I install the main BP component and BP Ascension, I should have Ascension and all the Tougher battles, right ?

Yes

Wait...this looks like a yes and no scenario. If you use the BP core and BP-Ascension, then yes you'll have the tougher battles...and some BP additions If you use "just BP-Ascension", as I hear has been advised in some places--it won't be the same as the former. I know that most of the original Gaider 'tougher battles' is in the actual BP-Ascension component, but don't 100% guarantee that none of it is in the BP core still. Remember, this all used to be one huge mishmash of files mixed together in a cauldron and called sun tea, way back in the olden days.

I can think of one instance off the top of my head; the BP giants and their boulders. I balanced the boulders out in BPv179 cause they were overpowered, but those are a part of BP core that Ascension leans off of if it's there. The boulder-wielding fire giants add a whole new layer of difficulty to the situation, especially if you botch up a save and get your prizefighter stunned for a round or 2.

That's just one example of probably many, and why I recommend using the BP component as well with Ascension-BP. I am trying to work on seperating what is truly essential in BP for the rest of the components, from what is strictly feature--i.e., redesign the core into "essential core" and "general BP enhancements". Maybe even a third component, "BP scripts", seeing as most of you are using a mod that almost completely devours my scripts by the very nature of its installation. I see a few shouts here and there that appear to be BP, but that's about it when I open a BP script. So why bother even putting them in, in the first place? But that's upcoming; for now, yes you can use just BP-Ascension but no it's not the same as BP + BP-Ascension.

[GeN1e]

BP's Ascension doesn't provide Grominr with 25% physical and magic resistance as original Ascension does. I don't know if there're other mismatches or whether it's intentional or not.