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[Lollorian]

The conflict I tried to point out was between SR and DR lol

Cheers,
Lol

[Miloch]

The conflict I tried to point out was between SR and DR

Are you sure DR adds 2 sunscorches - there's not one from a big mod like TDD? DR should account for existing spells by removing them, though it might have trouble if there are other custom ones. I thought SR just patched overwrote existing spells rather than created new ones.

[Leomar]

I know that there were some issues concerning the iiItem-installation.

The only issues apart from balance I know of with it is that it takes ages to install on BWP if you do it late in the install order. So you probably want to install it fairly early. The difference will be that it won't add random items to mod stores, CREs, etc. that are installed after it, but that isn't such a bad thing in my opinion.

Leonardo had a problem with installing iiItems (a lot of errors and warnings) and yes he tried it late in the install order. White Agnus wants to look at it, but I think, at first we found no time and then we forgot it. To much other things to do... I'll talk with Leonardo and White Agnus, so we try it again and reports the problems, perhaps we can find a solution together.

Greetings Leomar

Miloch, White Agnus gave me more information about the iiItems problem:

The main problem with iiItems is, that the game freezes if we enter Waukeen's Promenade. Now, I know, this was caused through a container. iiItems patch the store of Selence of SoS (CBSLENCE.sto). After the store were patched, the game freezes in Waukeen's Promenade (AR0700).

I've posted this in the TeamBG forum, too.
http://www.teambg.eu...hp?topic=1546.0

Greetings Leomar

Edited by Leomar, 22 November 2009 - 06:28 PM.

[Lollorian]

Here's a new mod for your consideration

Sigil Birthday (Anniversary??) Mod (birthdaymod.rar) - Adds a new amulet that lets you call forth some guys (their forum admins/members etc) to grant you some bonuses. Currently available in English and Czech.

I tried this out and the bonuses are just simple buffs (don't highlight if ya don't wanna know the spells

Spoiler

healing, detect evil, invisibility, vocalize, friends, resist cold/fire

). But some of their summonable "gods" also give you free spell scrolls (

Spoiler

web, color spray, chromatic orb ... nothing serious, but still ... FREE MONIEZZZ!!!

)

Oh, btw you get the item in Chateau Irenicus itself (it's given to you as soon as the map loads )

(I know the opposition mods like this get, but since you already have one-day NPCs like Teddy and Roar might as well include this mod too)

Cheers,
Lol

Edited by Lollorian, 25 November 2009 - 03:19 AM.

[Jarno Mikkola]

Just a word of caution, as the v212 WeiDU package has been updated, the BiG World Fixpack needs to be updated before the WeiDU.exe v212 is used, as the Tethyr Forest Patch(3a) will fail cause the function used in the mod has been updated... so do not use any v212 WeiDU.exe's until the BiG World Fixpack has been properly updated, White Agnus and Hoppy are on it...
EDIT.

Edited by Jarno Mikkola, 26 November 2009 - 03:10 AM.

[Miloch]

Just a word of caution, as the v212 WeiDU package has been updated, the BiG World Fixpack needs to be updated, as the Tethyr Forest Patch(3a) will fail cause the function used in the mod has been updated... so do not use any v212 WeiDU.exe's until the BiG World Fixpack has been properly updated, White Agnus and Hoppy are on it...

Eh. I don't think one small mod like this is a reason not to use the new WeiDU, which should be rather quicker than the previous versions. Plus it fixes a major bug or two - one that would make all components of Aurora uninstallable if the BWP didn't account for it. If just that one Tethyr "fixpack" sort of thing needs to be updated then so be it. Anyway, I think the current BWFixpack overwrites all WeiDUs with v211 so I doubt it's a need for concern.

[Carleton]

Problem: No "true grand mastery" modification was made in my 'recommended' Non-BGT Big World Project 8.2 installation. I believe that one of the second edition weapon proficiency table mods should have been installed. Basically: "waaah! where did all my attacks go?"

Suggested change: If I'm not wrong, the BWP set up should be changed to include a "true grand mastery" component if BGT is not possible.

Details: I entered a '-' in the bg1 directory path to specify a non-bgt installation and specified only mods English. I did not subtract or add mods to the recommended list except BP-Balancer v.33 beta. This was listed on the BWP setup conflict/dependencies page, needing BGT, so I excluded it. Installation was otherwise successful and resulted in a functional TOB installation.

It is my assumption that BWP intends continuity between the weapon proficiency tables in baldur's gate 1 and 2 and therefor installs rules closer to old school 2E than to the 'nerfed' bg2 rules. This change is probably handled by the BGT component, but I speculate that the installer lacks a contingency to include a grand mastery modification given that BGT won't be installed. Several mods listed in the BWP contain a "true grand mastery" component (g3 tweak pack, bg2 tweaks, mixmod, baldurdash 1.68, etc.) but the installation instruction pdf instructs the user/installation program to not install these components.

Help asked for: What is the best way to install new fighter proficiencies so I don't mess up my Big World Installation? Is there a weidu mod where I can select "no" to every option except true grand mastery, or should I do something like run bigworld fixpack on baldurdash 1.68 and then install it? I really don't know why or why not it would work.

[Jarno Mikkola]

Problem: No "true grand mastery" modification was made in my 'recommended' Non-BGT Big World Project 8.2 installation. I believe that one of the second edition weapon proficiency table mods should have been installed. Basically: "waaah! where did all my attacks go?"

Suggested change: If I'm not wrong, the BWP set up should be changed to include a "true grand mastery" component if BGT is not possible.

The problem is, there is no truly interdependent 'true grand mastery' mod, there is one in BG2_Tweaks, one in TDD, one in Mixmod, one in Ariena mod, and one could be in IR, and they might all work differently, some of them aren't probably even considered to be installed... but but, it's harder issue to resolve(with proper code) when you have 300 other mods to consider, and if you like, you can always install one of those components after the BWInstall...

Help asked for: What is the best way to install new fighter proficiencies so I don't mess up my Big World Installation? Is there a weidu mod where I can select "no" to every option except true grand mastery, or should I do something like run bigworld fixpack on baldurdash 1.68 and then install it? I really don't know why or why not it would work.

As I said, you can install a mod after the BWInstall.bat has run it's course, just remember that you need to scrip any already installed components with S on your cmd.exe window.

Edited by Jarno Mikkola, 27 November 2009 - 02:56 AM.

[Carleton]

Thanks, that was sound advice. I picked up new tables from the ariena mod.

[Leomar]

Eh. I don't think one small mod like this is a reason not to use the new WeiDU, which should be rather quicker than the previous versions. Plus it fixes a major bug or two - one that would make all components of Aurora uninstallable if the BWP didn't account for it. If just that one Tethyr "fixpack" sort of thing needs to be updated then so be it.

What Miloch said is true. We need to update the TethyrForestPatch and should use the recent WeiDU version. White Agnus is out of business until Sunday, so it will take a little bit longer to update the patch with Hoppy.

Anyway, I think the current BWFixpack overwrites all WeiDUs with v211 so I doubt it's a need for concern.

The BW Fixpack contains no WeiDU.exe and overwrites none. The Installpack have one and the Install.bat does the overwriting, but that is not important if you use the BWS. The BWS gets the recent WeiDU (now, the v212) and overwrites the older one from BW Installpack. So the Install.bat uses the v212 to update alle setup-exe's.

Greetings Leomar

[Leomar]

Thanks, that was sound advice. I picked up new tables from the ariena mod.

If you wish you can use the "Revised Grandmastery" from here.

Greetings Leomar

[Hoppy]

Eh. I don't think one small mod like this is a reason not to use the new WeiDU, which should be rather quicker than the previous versions. Plus it fixes a major bug or two - one that would make all components of Aurora uninstallable if the BWP didn't account for it. If just that one Tethyr "fixpack" sort of thing needs to be updated then so be it.

What Miloch said is true. We need to update the TethyrForestPatch and should use the recent WeiDU version. White Agnus is out of business until Sunday, so it will take a little bit longer to update the patch with Hoppy.

Greetings Leomar

I have the updated WeiDU code to do it so I might be able to update it tomorrow.

EDIT: Nevermind, as it fails for the check to see if TS-BP is installed to add the script to the entrance. WeiDU doesn't recognize INNER_ACTION_BEGIN.

Edited by Hoppy, 28 November 2009 - 08:52 PM.

[Miloch]

Miloch, White Agnus gave me more information about the iiItems problem:

The main problem with iiItems is, that the game freezes if we enter Waukeen's Promenade. Now, I know, this was caused through a container. iiItems patch the store of Selence of SoS (CBSLENCE.sto). After the store were patched, the game freezes in Waukeen's Promenade (AR0700).

I've posted this in the TeamBG forum, too.
http://www.teambg.eu...hp?topic=1546.0

I looked into this. I think igi is right and the store was hosed to begin with. It definitely gets hosed if you install the MTS Crappack component #25 (Install All Items Identified in Selence's Store) which overwrites the store cbslence.sto with one that contains extra null items. Whether you have that or not, another problem is that some items have no quantities set. A third problem is that either version of the store has no valid item types for purchase or sale. Yet another problem, and this could be a big one, is that the store is linked to a potion case (cbslence.itm) which I really don't think is intended.

I could try to fix this in Unique Containers, but it's such a problem I think the store should be rebuilt from scratch in Shadows Over Soubar, named something else to prevent the potion case bug, and the BWFixpack should reverse or disallow the MTS Crappack component, or just include it by default in the rebuilt store. I don't think a store having unidentified items was intended either. Given that Unique Containers should be installed fairly late, I could include it in there too I guess. It fixes enough other container and store-related bugs.

Edit: or we could just leave it like it is and rename the mod Shadows Over Fubar, heh heh heh.

WeiDU doesn't recognize INNER_ACTION_BEGIN.

You have an extra underscore there (it's INNER_ACTION BEGIN).

Edited by Miloch, 30 November 2009 - 12:08 PM.

[Leomar]

I looked into this. I think igi is right and the store was hosed to begin with. It definitely gets hosed if you install the MTS Crappack component #25 (Install All Items Identified in Selence's Store) which overwrites the store cbslence.sto with one that contains extra null items.

Thanks for looking at it. White Agnus told me, that the MTS Crappack component #25 is not needed anymore, because the latest WeiDU version of SoS is fixed in this case. So, next time we don't install the MTS Crappack component #25 anymore.

Next time we try to install iiItems in the BWP again and we'll see, what happens.

Greetings Leomar

Edited by Leomar, 30 November 2009 - 06:18 PM.

[Hoppy]

Yet another problem, and this could be a big one, is that the store is linked to a potion case (cbslence.itm) which I really don't think is intended.

I could try to fix this in Unique Containers, but it's such a problem I think the store should be rebuilt from scratch in Shadows Over Soubar, named something else to prevent the potion case bug, and the BWFixpack should reverse or disallow the MTS Crappack component, or just include it by default in the rebuilt store. I don't think a store having unidentified items was intended either. Given that Unique Containers should be installed fairly late, I could include it in there too I guess. It fixes enough other container and store-related bugs.

It is intended to be attached to a container (napsack) but I am not sure if it should be flagged differently if that is what you meant. She can sell items from it when she is in the party. You can buy stuff from the store when she is not in the party yet. I am pretty sure it can't except items like a bag of holding.

[Miloch]

It is intended to be attached to a container (napsack) but I am not sure if it should be flagged differently if that is what you meant. She can sell items from it when she is in the party. You can buy stuff from the store when she is not in the party yet.

Yeah, Unique Containers already gives it a "knapsack" icon (instead of a potion case). But it's flagged as a "store" instead of a "container." Maybe that's intentional so you can buy items from it. I guess if it works normally there's no need to change that.

I am pretty sure it can't except items like a bag of holding.

This is because there aren't any allowed item types associated with it, so it can only get rid of the existing items. Maybe that's intentional too - not sure. But anyhow, it's a good reason for mods like iiItem not to be forcing more loot into it. Still, that shouldn't cause a crash, since there's existing loot in it, but who knows. I think the crash is from MTS Crappack, because its version has invalid (blank) items in it. Anyway, I've updated Unique Containers so it will get rid of any iiItems or null items found in it, if present.

[Lollorian]

Ok, time for a new mod non??

I wonder why the NPCKitpack isn't used. The only possible conflict would be with the Imoen -> Adventurer transformation (since it'd conflict with Imoen -> Charming Rogue from NeJ ) The others are mostly cosmetic (except Anomen and Mazzy)

Speaking of kits, wouldn't it be a good idea to include those Divine Remix kits that can be given to NPCs?? (Branwen -> Battleguard of Tempus and Viconia -> Nightcloak of Shar)

And other than that, here's a small mod by Miloch that could give gnomes special kits (Tiax -> Strifeleader of Cyric and Quayle -> Hoodwinker of Baravar) ... if it's finished

Oh, and Totemic Cernd for Cernd -> Totemic Druid

At the moment, the only custom kits for BioWare NPCs come from NeJ:

• Imoen -> Charming Rogue
  
• Jaheira -> Priest of Sylvanus
  
• Shar-Teel -> Firewalker
  
• Xan -> Sorcerer

Wanna make that list bigger??

Cheers,
Lol

Edited by Lollorian, 02 December 2009 - 02:20 AM.

[Miloch]

here's a small mod by Miloch that gives gnomes special kits (Tiax -> Strifeleader of Cyric and Quayle -> Hoodwinker of Baravar)

Actually, it doesn't do that yet - it just gives them more appropriate weapon choices and avatars IIRC. That other stuff was up for discussion and only half-coded, as was a Deneir kit for Finch and some druidic add-ons (amongst other things, all would involve more BAMs for custom spells ).

You can of course give any custom kit created to any BioWare NPC with Level 1 NPCs (using it for mod NPCs is also in progress).

[Jarno Mikkola]

I wonder why the NPCKitpack isn't used. The only possible conflict would be with the Imoen -> Adventurer transformation (since it'd conflict with Imoen -> Charming Rogue from NeJ ) The others are mostly cosmetic (except Anomen and Mazzy)

Speaking of kits, wouldn't it be a good idea to include those Divine Remix kits that can be given to NPCs?? (Branwen -> Battleguard of Tempus and Viconia -> Nightcloak of Shar)

The BWP tools don't install any kits cause we do not wish to make the player to have the need to manually change the k_x_x.2da files that determine what kit's are choose-able by which race, like you say on your kit guide.
The DR's kits can be installed using the Level 1 NPCs, I would suggest to not use the Generalized Biffing before you manually first rerun the Divine Remix, skip the already installed components, and then rerun the Level 1 NPCs... and then the Gen_Bif...
The same goes for the NPCKitpack...

Wanna make that list bigger?

Yeah, let's make Minsc into a Diviner, Aerie to Kensai with automatic Level1NPC install routine... no thanks.

[Lollorian]

@Miloch: Man, please complete that thing someday ... please

I wonder why the NPCKitpack isn't used. The only possible conflict would be with the Imoen -> Adventurer transformation (since it'd conflict with Imoen -> Charming Rogue from NeJ ) The others are mostly cosmetic (except Anomen and Mazzy)

Speaking of kits, wouldn't it be a good idea to include those Divine Remix kits that can be given to NPCs?? (Branwen -> Battleguard of Tempus and Viconia -> Nightcloak of Shar)

The BWP tools don't install any kits cause we do not wish to make the player to have the need to manually change the k_x_x.2da files that determine what kit's are choose-able by which race, like you say on your kit guide.
The DR's kits can be installed using the Level 1 NPCs, I would suggest to not use the Generalized Biffing before you manually first rerun the Divine Remix, skip the already installed components, and then rerun the Level 1 NPCs... and then the Gen_Bif...
The same goes for the NPCKitpack...

Ok, but still I'm just talking about 2 DR kits ... and the NPCKits don't seem to be selectable by the player (ya see, if just occured to me that people playing the BWP would most probably use just ONE kit for their PC ... which can be chosen by themselves ... so the best way to use all those kits would be to give them to the NPCs )

Wanna make that list bigger?

Yeah, let's make Minsc into a Diviner, Aerie to Kensai with automatic Level1NPC install routine... no thanks.

Ok Jarno, let's see:

The L1NPC approach:

• Install Nightcloak kit from DR
  
• pause BWS/install.bat on reaching L1NPCs
  
• cycle through components until you reach Viconia
  
• Choose class
  
• choose kit
  
• assign proficiency points ... ONE BY ONE!!! (for clerics, I think you'll also need to assign the memorized spells)
  
• finish installation
  
• resume BWS/install.bat

5 minutes (minimum)

OR the automatic BWP/S approach:

• Install Nightcloak kit from DR
  
• Let DR do the dirty work and assign the kit/proficiencies etc

priceless ... err, automatic?? so 10 secs

Ya still think L1NPCs is a good idea?? (and I don't think the BWS is gonna allow us to automatically customize the NPCs ... you'll have to do it manually ... unless you use 'DA PAUSE BUTTON' ... which probably isn't gonna be implemented )

Cheers,
Lol

Edited by Lollorian, 02 December 2009 - 02:42 AM.