Ah, the first troll has arrived. Let it be understood now that further visitations from the pit will be deleted.
However, that post brings up two points worth responding to, so I will, but after that I'm done. And this time it actually -will- be a "wall of text", so I can close this matter for good. My first on the subject, actually, unlike the dozen or so 3 to 9 line posts you guys ridiculously raged were "walls of text" to make your "butthurt" meme stick.
Now, while there were other examples, what I think of in making my accusation of slander rests on baseless and unprovoked accusations from Drog of "OCD" and "Narcissist", even pulling out inapplicable definitions from medical texts (yes, gang, typing 5 letters is "time consuming", if you're missing three fingers from each hand, maybe). He admitted that it was trolling, accusations of mental illness tossed around, not because he meant them, but purely because he wanted to piss me off. Because pissing people off is -fun-. If you're an angry child. Whatever.
Now, on the Drog's patch issue - let it be noted that I made my accusation -here-, -after- my final post on the Codex, specifically directed to Drog because he saw fit to start reposting every post in its entirety over there, so I thought I'd leave him a present. The point is that you're presenting it as if my slamming Drog's patch -started- the whole thing, which is false. I ended the matter with it. Big difference.
I will apologize to Drog to this extent: I said his patches sucked because they did not make me enjoy a game that I didn't enjoy before he came along to fix the bugs. That's excessively harsh. He can only do so much with what he was given. I went in hoping the game would be better enough that I'd enjoy it more, and I was disappointed, but that's enough to say the patch is meh, not enough to say it "painfully sucks". "Painfully sucks" would have made it -worse-, and no, his patch did not make it worse in any way that I could tell, so that was unfair. So I retract that part of my comments, which for the record were made after a great deal of gratuitous provocation. But the fact that he's willing to -try-, and for free, and put the time in should be respected.
However, my -specific- criticisms upon which he claims I slandered him were radically misinterpreted. I never meant to imply that he has not fixed major bugs, of course he has, just that in my experience some major bugs remained. My example was the painting quest. Drog insists it isn't a bug, and when I say he was butthurt when I reported it, that's what I'm referring to, his protestations that it was working as intended seemed to me highly defensive. I looked at it myself, and I simply disagree with him, but he does not appear willing to even consider the possibility of rational disagreement. So if I say he failed to fix a major bug, he simply says it's not a bug and therefore I've slandered him. Why do I say it's a bug? The ogre's dialogue makes no sense as it exists, and there exist plenty of dialogue lines that cannot be reached when it is in fact most appropriate for them to appear. Out of like 4 situations where that dialogue should have appeared, it only appeared in the most inappropriate of the bunch, and otherwise the ogre just showed you the hand when you had -more- reason to get his attention. (In fact, if I recall correctly, isn't it impossible to have any dialogue with him -at all- in the game as shipped? If I remember right, Drog fixes it only so far as to restore the line in one situation when it clearly needs to appear in like 4. I think so, but been a while and I don't care to review... my point stands whether I'm right on that detail or not). I don't think they wrote that dialogue for no reason. I think it was, you know, crazy thought, intended to be read when it made sense to do so. That to me says "bug", or at least "clearly unfinished", which IMO is the same thing. But the fact that I do consider it to be a bug doesn't seem to matter, my disagreement can't be sincere, I must therefore be lying.
Maybe the disagreement is due to the nature of the games we each work on. The game I'm modding was released early, in an unfinished state, so I'm more willing to look at things and say "this clearly wasn't finished", and I finish it. Does that not apply to Arcanum? Considering the number of bugs Drog has found, I'd be surprised, but maybe Troika got to spend all the time they wanted on polishing stuff like this up, and content as unfinished as this is so rare that he's unused to going "that far" to resolve them.
That's a fair justification for the way he does things, but it's still a flaw, IMO. Frankly, I think Drog is too hesitant to fix major issues in the game. He could greatly improve it if he were to apply a freer hand in finishing content that was clearly intended but left unfinished for whatever reason.
That's my opinion of his pack. I went too far in saying it "painfully sucked", but my specific criticisms stand. If he still maintains the painting thing wasn't a bug, he can do so, but he can do so in the context of disagreement, not in "he's lying".
If it will hopefully end this matter, I will say that there is no reason -not- to install Drog's patch, and if you like vanilla Arcanum a lot (I didn't), it will probably improve your experience. It didn't make me like it, the game (patched or not) has IMO got good features but they're drowned by some bad ones, and it could be a great game if they were dealt with. Drog doesn't consider fixing 'em as part of his mission. That's fine. But my opinion that it doesn't do enough (with the painting bit as what I consider a good example) stands.
Now, it's time to end this. Drog admitted to actively trying to create the entire drama that resulted, intentionally slandering me in order to provoke it. He's got brass balls to complain about the result. A "drama queen" is someone who revels in and likes to create drama, which was Drog's express excuse for his slander. So look in the mirror when you toss that "drama queen" accusation around, Drog.
And with that, I'm done with giving any more attention the -entire- stupid f'ing dramatic ordeal. Any more attempts to troll here will be moderated.
Qwinn
Edited by Qwinn, 21 July 2009 - 06:44 AM.
), but really, the vast majority over there, with very few exceptions, are beneath contempt. It can be hard to remember at the time, but their goal is to create drama, and if they have to slander to do it, they've got no problems with that. They say Imitation is the Highest Form of Flattery, but being reviled by that crowd comes a pretty close second. After thinking about it for a while, I realized that if they liked me over there, that'd be far more reason to worry. I now rightly consider their hate and mockery a badge of honor. I just sometimes have trouble remembering the first rule of the flame war: "consider the source".
