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[snepp]

What are the area #'s for random encounters?

When I get a chance I'll run a test on a clean install with just BGT and the random encounters component.

[melkor_morgoth75]

What are the area #'s for random encounters?

When I get a chance I'll run a test on a clean install with just BGT and the random encounters component.

These are the areas:

AR4700
AR4701
AR4800
AR4801
AR4900
AR4901
AR5100
AR5101
AR5300
AR5301
AR5400

Tx for your help, much appreciated.

mm75

[snepp]

I have a test install made, here's the Weidu.log.

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// Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods
// The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod
// ~TP2_File~ #language_number #component_number // [Subcomponent Name -> ] Component Name [ : Version]
~SETUP-BGT.TP2~ #0 #0 // Baldur's Gate Trilogy - Core: 1.14 (28 Jan 12)
~SETUP-BGSPAWN.TP2~ #0 #0 // BGSpawn system based on levels & party members (NOTE: Baldur's Gate Trilogy - BGT required): 1.11
~SETUP-BGSPAWN.TP2~ #0 #1 // Choose the time between re-spawns: 1.11
~SETUP-BGSPAWN.TP2~ #0 #2 // Vampiric Wolf Lord (inspired to DavidW Wolf of Ulcaster) NOTE: this changes some Vampiric Wolf in the game. It's used by BGSpawn-system: 1.11
~SETUP-BGSPAWN.TP2~ #0 #3 // BGSpawn random encounters between areas (NOTE: Baldur's Gate Trilogy - BGT required): 1.11
~SETUP-BP-BGT-WORLDMAP.TP2~ #0 #0 // Worldmap for Baldur's Gate - including colored Baldur's Gate map icons: v9.0.1
~SETUP-BP-BGT-WORLDMAP.TP2~ #0 #1 // Worldmap for Throne of Bhaal -> Use new Worldmap for Throne of Bhaal as well: v9.0.1
~SETUP-BGTMUSIC.TP2~ #0 #0 // Baldur's Gate Trilogy - Music -> Full Baldur's Gate and Tales of the Sword Coast Music
~SETUP-GUI.TP2~ #0 #1 // Game Graphical User Interface (GUI) -> "Baldur's Gate Trilogy" (Elminster wielding sword)

I only had time for one random encounter, I'll try more later.

I joined up with Montaron/Xzar, then gave each party member 10,000 XP and leveled them up. I traveled until I got an encounter.

The monster spawn (one Ogre Berserker) didn't appear until about 30 seconds after I was waylaid.

[melkor_morgoth75]

Thanks for the feedback ... RL keeps me busy atm, but i'll try to figure out this strange delay. Not a big issue, but quite weird indeed ...

mm75

[Quester]

You could try asking in the Help forum if any of the code gurus can spot what's causing the delay. As it is, it's a little too easy to escape without having to fight anything. Yes, you could self-police by sticking around long enough for your enemies to show up, but doing so feels a little meta and a little silly as well.

Aside from that, the general idea is awesome. More variety, more replayability, more fun. Any chance of seeing an updated version with even more variations/additional enemies soon-ish? You might browse through here for some inspiration, perhaps.

[melkor_morgoth75]

You could try asking in the Help forum if any of the code gurus can spot what's causing the delay. As it is, it's a little too easy to escape without having to fight anything. Yes, you could self-police by sticking around long enough for your enemies to show up, but doing so feels a little meta and a little silly as well.

Aside from that, the general idea is awesome. More variety, more replayability, more fun. Any chance of seeing an updated version with even more variations/additional enemies soon-ish? You might browse through here for some inspiration, perhaps.

I'll work on the delay issue as soon as RL permits me . So far it' s not critical so i won't update the mod soon (unless i discover the little issue quickly).

Tx for your nice words, be sure i'll work in future adding new ideas and encounters too, as the mod has lot of potential Replayability is the aim of the mod so i'm happy you enjoy it,

cheers!
mm75

[Quester]

Hey mm75, any progress on that delay issue?

[Enkida]

Small issue here, might be from something else because it's in a BWP megamod install but some monsters spawn neutral, exclusively of the canine type that I recall (wolves, hounds, dogs, etc...), but it's only 1 or 2 in pack. Some disappear almost instantly too but that's SCS behaviour I think (smart wolves component).

Just repeating that I get this too. Actually for playing low level monk with nearly all mage companions in BG1 this "feature" is a godsend for keeping the party alive. I want to point out that I have no SCS installed in my BWPv11 megamod at all, but it still happens, most notably with dog packs / wolves, but has also happened with Hobgoblins.

[melkor_morgoth75]

Just repeating that I get this too. Actually for playing low level monk with nearly all mage companions in BG1 this "feature" is a godsend for keeping the party alive. I want to point out that I have no SCS installed in my BWPv11 megamod at all, but it still happens, most notably with dog packs / wolves, but has also happened with Hobgoblins.

Hmmmm quite weird, may you post your weidu log please?

mm75

[Enkida]

Sure, everything you need is attached to this post:

http://www.shsforums...post__p__536530

NB: happens with ogre beserkers/ogre mages/minotaur spawns as well. the biggest delays are on the "open road in a forest" spawn points (exit everywhere but south), the shortest delays in the "in the mountains" spawn point (one direction north exit only)

[melkor_morgoth75]

You really have a BIG install ... i do believe something is ruining some creatures and it's quite difficult for me to track down a possible problem/incompatibility ...

I'm sure all those creatures are not "neutral" within a simple install of BGT + BGSpawn

I'm sorry i can't do more here,

mm75

[Enkida]

No problem, it's not a critical bug, but thanks for trying!

[Miloch]

Not sure what the exact issue is (TLDR etc.) but if you can get some .are and .cre names, that would probably help troubleshooting. To do that, look in your saved game with an editor like NI and/or use the IESDP to look up area references.

[Tonton Fred]

Hi,

for what it's worth, I am also experiencing the problem with random encounters areas being empty with the attached config (BWP 11 install done June 16). Even waiting for a few minutes (real time) did not bring up any spawns. Looks like mm75 hasn't posted or replied in a while though...

As for Melicamp's quest, the wolf appeared alright, but it seems there are no longer any skeletons around High Hedge (maybe because I first explored High Hedge during daytime ?) so I'm stuck for the skull for the time being ; according to NI, there is a copy of misc50.itm in a container in Ulcaster's school, but I don't know if that's related.

Fred

EDIT : sorry, the Melicamp reference was in response to this thread, which apparently also involved BGspawn.

Attached Files

•  WeiDU.log   47.86K   310 downloads

Edited by Tonton Fred, 18 June 2012 - 07:31 AM.

[melkor_morgoth75]

As for the Skeletons in the High Hedge Area ... you should go around that area during night-time

Still i didn't have time to dig into the strange "delay" issue for the random encounters...it' s not critical as it is really strange and there are no clear reasons why it's happening. Very strange if u CLUAConsole to the area, u don't notice any delay

mm75

[Phazic]

I poked around at the delay issue for random encounters and I think it's caused by the Range() check in each of the script blocks when spawning monsters in a random area. Encounters can be manually triggered by entering visual range of the top-left corner.

I'm running a tweaked BWP v11.2 install.

Detailed analysis:

Spoiler

What seems to be happening is that for area scripts their location is centered at 0,0. Thus, the range check requires one to enter visual range of the top-left corner before the monsters spawn. Normally, the party seems to appear in the middle of the screen out of sight of the top left corner.

For regular spawn points in non-random encounter areas, they have a defined bounding box although I'm not sure if it uses a vertex of the box or the center of the box for the range check.

CLUAConsole moves work because they seem to always put you as close as possible to the top-left corner of the area. Verified this against all random encounter areas.

Given, the small size of the area and that only one random spawn should be triggering per encounter, I see no reason to keep the range check and instead have them spawn as the area loads (for random encounter areas only).

Verified via the following tests:
Ran between areas until triggered random encounter. Inched towards the top left corner until it became visible and noticed that the mobs spawned.

Repeated test and ctrl-j'd character into the top left corner and noted immediate spawn.

I tested a solution where I removed the Range() check and this seems to cause the monsters to spawn right away with perhaps a 1s script delay (similar to when a regular spawn point triggers).

While testing, encountered a Lesser Water Elemental and a Giant Stick Insect, neither of which I had seen before.

For testing used the following traveling routes for each area (parenthesis denote direction exited from based on WMP listings):

Lonely Peaks (N) -> Ulcaster: AR4700
Wood of Sharp Teeth (S) -> Sharp Teeth Waste: AR4701
Fisherman's Lake (W) -> Xvart Village: AR4800
Nashkel (W) -> Fisherman's Lake: AR4801
Shipwreck Coast (S) -> Lighthouse: AR4900 [neither map has a north/south exit point but it seemed to work using the SE most point]
Caves of Kozah (N) -> Lighthouse: AR4901
Coast Way (E) -> Larswood: AR5100
Friendly Arm Inn (E) -> Peldvale: AR5300
Bandit Camp (S) -> Peldvale: AR5301
Wrym's Crossing (N) -> Ulgoth's Beard: AR5400

One other quirk I noticed regarding one of the encounters:

Spoiler

It seems like the corrupted flaming fist soldier (SFLAMCOR.CRE) is of class flaming fist so that if you kill him it causes a reputation drop even though he's hostile to begin with. Perhaps the intent is to flee from this particular battle rather than kill all hostiles in a a random encounter? He's also tied to a non-existent dialog file FLAM.DLG. This was also checked using NI on the original creature file extracted from the archive.

Thanks for this great mod and keep up the good work!

[melkor_morgoth75]

Thanks for your findings Phazic! I hope to have some time and dig into the Range check.

As for the corrupted Flaming Fist Soldier, indeed one should escape by them if they don't wanna drop reputation, but i should change it and also remove its dlg associated (lot of random encounters are just a first try from me to give some more depth to the game, indeed they will develop and improve in future, RL permitting ).

Tx for your help and nice words,

mm75

Edited by melkor_morgoth75, 16 August 2012 - 12:48 AM.

[Lollorian]

Heya there! These are files with the Range() checks in the random area spawn scripts commented out They do seem to work in my BGT game as advertised No more empty randomness

Anyone who wants to use these should extract them and overwrite the BGSpawn files BEFORE installing the mod!

Attached Files

•  BGSpawn_Phazic_random_area_spawn_delay_fix.7z   57.75K   289 downloads

[melkor_morgoth75]

Thanks a lot Lollorian, i hope to have time to have a look at those and update eventually the mod

mm75

[melkor_morgoth75]

I have a fixed ready version of the mod but it seems i'm not able to upload it

For those interested i can upload to an external site eventually ...

mm75