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[TheSisko]

What about the demon guy in the duergar camp? I had to reload multiple times to beat that bastard and that fight is unavoidable.

[The Masked Marionette]

Ah, yes, the Balor. Evil bugger.

[Bane]

Also what difficulty you know play on and how experienced you are makes things complicated because I've only had to reload twice and this is when I first started. Now I can buff up, get in there and whack him and come back for the gem. If you really don't want the hassle of walking around then do the cheats and press ctrl+J to teleport around. I did this for one of my games (fought all battles but teleported when there was a lot of walking to be done) and completed SoA in 4 days (all quests done) and ToB in 2.

[Dalis'ilhea]

Yes, if you know what you're doing Bg isn't a very long game, But that can be said for almost any game.

[Keltosh]

I see that this debate is still going on so i thought i'd add my opinion
To start out, i completely agree with the necessity of a time limit. It makes a lot of sense story-wise and lazy players SHOULD get punished. As for how many days, that's hard to tell so i'll make various consideratins.

First the ones that stand for a short time limit:
- let us face it, at least 90% of the persons that visit the bg2 modding forums are veterans, so they know almost everything that there is to know. As for the few newbies, i'm very sorry for them, but nobody played a perfect game on first try so they'll have to live with an eventual failure, either complete or partial (i did in my first game).
-As for the beholder/mind flayer lairs in the underdark ..it is NOT a problem. They CAN be done even with low level chars if you are a veteran. If not, refer to the point above (you can just kill the sahaugin and go out of the underdark). Unless you play with some other mods installed, like tactics or improved battles, but of course Quitch cannot and SHOULD not make it so it is playable by everyone even with a gazillion of other mods that make the game harder.

On the other side, there IS one thing that does point to a moderately long (relatively speaking) time limit. and that is the fact that, even if i am a vet, i could want to play a mage (or even a bard. EUGHH) and stay into the best time limit, simply to see the class specific banters. I'm not talking of taking Nalia or Valygar (not if you want to get Imoen and stay in the best result time limit), but the vampires might still require some sleep with those chars. (so, no 2 days limit just cause it can be done with a barbarian)

So, for my ideas.. i must admit i have no solid data, cause i only got Imoen as fast as i could in my first game, and i was by no means a vet back then but here are my estimates (all WITHOUT the time to reach spellhold by ship, so that must be added)

Fastest 4-5 days (NOT the fastest possible, just the fastest i think should be set)
Acceptable 12-15 days (depends on how newbies-friendly you want it)
bad.. over that (if you take more while your sister/possible love is being tortured.. suits you to get a bad ending)

PS
imho the time on the ship should NOT be considered. Heck, i'm not even sure if it is 7 or 10 or 13 days, but i assure you even 7 days alone of torture at the hand of someone can break you beyond repair, and that WITHOUT your torturer being an almost-all-powerful mage who can summon demons etc etc.
So, i think this mod is forced not to count those days for this particular issue. hence the time limits i suggested above.

Edited by Keltosh, 21 June 2004 - 02:57 PM.

[Alandrea]

IMHO I believe that the timer should start at chapter 3. If you do it this way then you have time to be buffed up but it still fits the plot line. The way I see it is that Imoen couldn't have been tortured too badly by the cowled wizards (For no other reason than that I want to think that really) but at chapter 3 Irenicus escapes and thats when I would think her mental state would really start to deteriorate with his torture.

[Keltosh]

I must say that .. well .. i didn't think about that ... and you may be right. the considerations still remain....
But it could be kind of a problem if you do everything in chapter 2 and let 6 months pass ...
So maybe a "total" time limit is better i think

[fallen_demon]

Maybe it could speed up in chapter 3. Spellhold is still an assylum so leaving her their too long would have effects, but it gets much worse once Irenicus gets free. 3 days of spellhold are equivlant to one of jonny or something like that.

[Bane]

I think it would be best if there is no timer at all or you get to choose which type of timer you have if possible, personally I hate timers in games.

[Keltosh]

Well you're out of luck .Since Quitch already told there will be one.
Besides, i agree, it makes sense and it adds MUCH flavour to the game
Just my opinion of course

[Bane]

Well you're out of luck .Since Quitch already told there will be one.
Besides, i agree, it makes sense and it adds MUCH flavour to the game
Just my opinion of course

lies!

[Quitch]

I think it would be best if there is no timer at all or you get to choose which type of timer you have if possible, personally I hate timers in games.

This has as much chance as the option to choose whether Imoen is a Bhaalspawn or not.

[Keltosh]

hehe

[Bane]

I think it would be best if there is no timer at all or you get to choose which type of timer you have if possible, personally I hate timers in games.

This has as much chance as the option to choose whether Imoen is a Bhaalspawn or not.

So there's a chance then?

aaaah well, atleast it adds to challenging game I have already

Edited by Felstorm, 25 June 2004 - 12:28 PM.

[SimDing0]

This has as much chance as the option to choose whether Imoen is a Bhaalspawn or not.

That'd be a far better option.