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[Lollorian]

Hey there everyone, I'm trying to get a non-buggy BWP v5.6 install and would like some comments on why the following are listed as Expert Mods. I've also taken the reasons found in the BWP Guide (very well written btw ) but just looking at them, I don't find if and why they're buggy.

I've also struck out some of the Mods I'm definitely NOT gonna use (with reasons ) so bring em on!!!

Mods with the in front of them have been declared "safe" for use

PRE-NEJ MODS

1. Tortured Soul Quest v3 (I've gone through the guide and IMHO nothing seems to conflict with this. What's wrong???)
• This mod overwrites Ribald completely and, hence, must be installed before all others which add dialogs to Ribald.

2. Oversight v12 (why expert??)

3. Never Ending Journey 2 v42b (I understand why this is expert. But what kinda animation bugs with CtB are we looking at?? Is it ignorable??)
• There is an incompatibility between NEJ and CtB in the kind of a small number of creatures that uses the same animation what looks a little bit funny.

4. BGTNeJ2 v1.0b

5. NEJ2v602

BIG BG2 MODS

1. Ascension v1.4.23 (why expert???)

BGT TRILOGY

1. Baldur‘s Gate Trilogy-Never Ending Journey 2 Compatibility Modification v1

2. BGTNeJ2 v1.0b

BIG BG1 MODS

1. Drizzt Saga v1.0 (why expert??? Is it hard for n00bs or just incompatible?)
• The Drizzt saga is intended only for experienced players and should be begun only after the Add-On "The Legends of the Sword Coast" in the 7-th chapter. Until then you should avoid the respective area.

BG1 QUEST MODS

1. The Vault v6.4 (modified for BGT)

2. The Stone of Askavar v1.3

BG1 NPC MODS

1. Breagar und die Schlangen Abbathors v3.3
• GERMAN

BG1 RULES AND TWEAKS

1. Adventures_in_Papperland-WeiDU v3

2. Ghost

BG2 QUEST MODS

1. The Black Rose Part I: Market Prices (Known to be buggy and not supported)
• This mod had a competition in the first prize. Unfortunately it is no longer available and is listed only as reminder.

2. CliffHistory (But "Multiple Strongholds" isn't installed by the install.bat)
• This mod does not work together with the "Multiple Strongholds" component from "BG2Tweak-Pack" or if the MC is a bard.

3. Sylmar Battlefield v1.025

BG2 TACTICAL ENCOUNTERS

The following mods make above all the fights with the enemies more difficult and, therefore, are thought for experienced players. Due to the increased level of difficulty, these mods are marked as experts-Mods. You can integrate each of these mods without worries into the BiG World Version, if you want to make the game harder.

1. Azengaard Tactical Encounter MOD v4.0

2. CoM Encounters v1.02

3. Deeper Shadows of Amn v2.2.1 (DSoA)

4. Domains of Dread-WeiDU

5. Improved Asylum .92

6. Super Firkraag Mod v14

BG2 STORES AND ITEMS

For BG2 there are a lot of new stores and items. With the big BG2 mods and the BG2 quest mods are already added a number of new. So as not to overfill BG2 with stores and items so that you easily lose track and no longer feel like to deal with this immense bulk of objects, we have made a choice in this "Stores and BG2 Items Mods". These separated out mods are marked as Experts-mods. You can, however, insert each of these mods without worries into the BiG World Version, if you want to expand the game with a variety of items.

1. Alex Macintosh v3

2. Bag Bonus v1.0.1 (buggy)

3. Baldurs Gate 2 Shadows of Amn Item Import Mod (BG2SoA Items)

4. Exnem's Addon = Exnem Vault v5

5. Heart Of The Wood _WeiDU v5

6. Improved Volcano! Pack Version 1.8

7. KWolf_NPC_WeiDU v1.1

8. Munchmod v2.6 (can someone tell me what it "nerves" exactly??? )

9. RItemPackV2 = RPG Dungeon Item Pack

10. Rolles_v3

11. The Magnificient Magic Shop

12. The Unusual Oddities Shop - AbyStore v.3

13. SP Items = Daniel Goodrich's Custom Item Collection (said to be buggy)

14. A Mod for the Orderly – CliffKey v2 (content already present in Amber NPC. From the Amber readme "several brand new items, some more useful than others")

15. BloodOfTheMartyr_WeiDU v5

16. Enhanced BG2 v1.0

17. Selune's Armoury v2 (can't use v1 and buggy)
• Unfortunately the mod is no longer available and is listed only as reminder.

BG2 NPC MODS

The separated out mods are marked as Experts-mods. You can, however, insert each of these mods without worries into the BiG World Version, if you want to expand the game with other NPCs.

1. Ajantis v1.1
• GERMAN

2. Chiara v1.02mB_163
• GERMAN

3. Octavians Drizzt v2Beta2
• Not together with with RoT because this mod adds likewise Drizzt and both are contentwise not compatible. The component with the Artemis Entreri-encounter of Unfinished business is compatible with this Drizzt-Mod. If Valen is in the party, it is actually not possible to take in Drizzt, because he becomes hostile immediately.

4. Elvanshalee
• GERMAN

5. Horace v1.70

6. Kari v1 (can't find it)
• This is a rebuild of a very old NPC that never advanced past v1.3beta..Unfortunately the mod is no longer available and is listed only as reminder.

7. Malthis ServiceVersion 1
• GERMAN

8. Shar-Teel v1.0b
• GERMAN
• Not together with with TDD because to this mod adds likewise Shar-Teel and both are contentwise not compatible.

9. Summon Bhaalspawn v2 (and why won't the file be there???)
• In the folder ...\SBS\store must be the file .DS_Store, otherwise the mod cannot be installed!

10. Vanim v1_4

11. Biddekelorak v1 (heard it's not supported anymore :|)

12. Azure NPC BETA v3
• The mod stutters now and then. The Wolf does not appear in mod areas at all, or the game may crash.

13. Frennedan v1.01
• GERMAN

14. Perils of Branwen v0.8.05d

15. Thael v2.3
• SPANISH

16. Hanna v2.2
• SPANISH

17. Kim 1.59
• FRENCH

18. Lester v0.7
• POLISH

19. Touchstone V1.0

BG2 ONE-DAY NPCS

1. Alassa NPC v1

2. Allison NPC v1.6

3. Anishai v1.2

4. Bons Bruce The Cockney Barfighter v2 (portraits too "real" )

5. Cassius v 1.01

6. Ghareth v0.91

7. Hessa v1.1

8. Jason Comptons Bruce The Cockney Barfighter

9. WikaedeR v4 (not available)
• Unfortunately the mod is no longer available and is listed only as reminder.

10. Willie Bruce v2 (there could only be one Bruce ... And I choose JC's )

11. Moddie v1

BG2 NPC-RELATED MODS

(I want these )

1. Cloakwood Squares v2
• This is a fun-Mod, that some players find not suitable, and therefore is marked as Experts version. You can, however, insert this mod without worries into the BiG World Version.

2. The Jerry Zinger Show v1
• This is a fun-Mod, that some players find not suitable, and therefore is marked as Experts version. You can, however, insert this mod without worries into the BiG World Version.

3. cbisson‘s FamiliarPack WeiDU v5
• This Mod it is useful only if want to play with familiars. You can, however, insert this mod without worries into the BiG World Version.

4. Authentic mischiefous Fairy Dragon v4
• This Mod it is useful only if want to play with familiars. You can, however, insert this mod without worries into the BiG World Version.

MINI-MODS

1. Shed's Mods

2. The Holy Hand Grenade v1.0

3. Cal-Culator v1.0.4

4. Questor - Mike'sQuestMod

5. The Slithering Menace (Snakes) v 3.3

6. igi’s Facing the Shade Lord again

7. K'aeloree's BWL Contest Items

8. Au service d'Oghma Version 1
• FRENCH

9. ShardsOfIce-v4 = Shards of Ice

BG2 RULES, TWEAKS AND SPELLS

1. NPC Tweak v3.1

2. Victor's Improvements Pack v1.9 = BGII Improvements Mod

3. Semi-Multi-Clerics 0.2.2

4. Lost Crossroads Spell Pack for Baldur's Gate 2 = SpellPackB5
• Because both SpellPack and SpellRevisions aim for conceptually different fixes, installing both will cause one to override the other.
• This mod requires a powerful computer!

5. Spell-50 v10
• It is not recommend to use Spell-50 with Spell Revisions as conceptually they are on opposite extremes. Spell Revisions is trying to "rebalance" spells, while that mod purposely makes them extremely overpowered.

6. Wild Mage Additions v1.6
• This Mod it is useful only if want to play a Hasardeur. You can, however, insert this mod without worries into the BiG World Version.

ASCENSION-RELATED MODS

1. Turnabout v1

KELSEY/SOLAUFEIN RELATED NPC MODS

1. Sheena v1.6

HLA-TABLES CHANGING MODS

1. Ashes of Embers v27

2. Yikari v1.1

POST-BP TWEAKS

1. Zyraen's Miscellaneous Mods v2

2. UniqueArtifacts_v1.12

3. PnP Free Action (Beta 1)
• Install it not together with Spell Revisions. Is not needed with the upcoming version of Spell Revisions.

GRAPHIC AND PORTRAIT MODS

1. W_GUI beta 0.1 - a GUI replacement for Baldur's Gate 2 (don't wanna change the GUI)


Out of the non-strikethroughed ones, can someone tell me what else to strike out??? I want all the "joke mods" so only bugs and incompatibilities apply

PS - I really wanna have Ascension, NeJ, Oversight and DrizztSaga. Can I run all of em without bugs???

Thanx for any help - Lol

Edited by Lollorian, 20 January 2009 - 01:41 AM.

[Hoppy]

14. A Mod for the Orderly ? CliffKey v2

I think RR or Song and Silence add a key bag as well so you don't need Cliffkey

[Hoppy]

Drizzt saga and BG1 NPC project have a small incompatibility especially if you romance Dynaheir. I don't know if the special patch or addition that erebusant did is available for the rest of the world yet.


Also The Tortured Soul Quest is not the same as Tortured Souls (aka TS). The latter will be fine in your mega.


Ashes of Embers v27

May have incompatibilities with kits and items (TDD kits for example) because it changes UNUSABLE for some kits in the KITLIST.2DA or it removes almost all unusable flags for items.


cbisson?s FamiliarPack WeiDU v5

does not fully implement the new familiars summoned with what you have in your pack. Very minor though.


Wild Mage Additions

There was a big hoedown with this one because everyone was getting burned to a crisp after the first time resting outdoors. In BGT that could mean at Level 1!!!!

With one day NPC's just pick some that you would like. Do you want two Bruces? You can install the other ones as well and have like 6 Bruceseseses...
1. Alassa NPC v1

2. Allison NPC v1.6

3. Anishai v1.2

4. Bons Bruce The Cockney Barfighter v2

5. Cassius v 1.01 Never tried so I don't know

6. Ghareth v0.91

7. Hessa v1.1

8. Jason Comptons Bruce The Cockney Barfighter

(I want these tongue.gif)

1. Cloakwood Squares v2
? This is a fun-Mod, that some players find not suitable, and therefore is marked as Experts version. You can, however, insert this mod without worries into the BiG World Version.

2. The Jerry Zinger Show v1
? This is a fun-Mod, that some players find not suitable, and therefore is marked as Experts version. You can, however, insert this mod without worries into the BiG World Version.

3. cbisson?s FamiliarPack WeiDU v5
? This Mod it is useful only if want to play with familiars. You can, however, insert this mod without worries into the BiG World Version.

4. Authentic mischiefous Fairy Dragon v4
? This Mod it is useful only if want to play with familiars. You can, however, insert this mod without worries into the BiG World Version.

Go for it!!!

[Hoppy]

Hasardeur is French for gambler. Probably in this context is the Wild Mage for a protagonist.

[Lollorian]

Thank you again Hoppy, for your insightful views on my list

I think RR or Song and Silence add a key bag as well so you don't need Cliffkey

Ok, I've looked up the RR readme and didn't find it so maybe SaS has it in the [Add new bardic store and thief items] component Anyway, according to the BWP guide, Cliffkey's installed much earlier than SaS so I'll be using SaS's keybag in the long run eh??? This one is a perfect "STRIKE!!"

Drizzt saga and BG1 NPC project have a small incompatibility especially if you romance Dynaheir. I don't know if the special patch or addition that erebusant did is available for the rest of the world yet.

Ah ok But erebusant did do something to fix it, yes?? Btw, I've dled erebusant's revised DrizztSaga Did he make another addon patch or something to go with that??? :|

Also The Tortured Soul Quest is not the same as Tortured Souls (aka TS). The latter will be fine in your mega.

My bad But will the TSquest work anyway???

May have incompatibilities with kits and items (TDD kits for example) because it changes UNUSABLE for some kits in the KITLIST.2DA or it removes almost all unusable flags for items.

No, not this one I really wanna see how this works in tandem with RR According to the guide, the BWP installer tries its best to avoid installing kits. Any mod that gives kits as optional components is given the "N" That includes TDD and Ashes yes??? So if the kits aren't installed then are they compatible???

cbisson‘s FamiliarPack WeiDU v5 does not fully implement the new familiars summoned with what you have in your pack. Very minor though.

Is it a game-breaking bug or just cheesiness??? Will I miss out on something from the original familiars if I use this??

There was a big hoedown with this one because everyone was getting burned to a crisp after the first time resting outdoors. In BGT that could mean at Level 1!!!!

It's cause of the guy, Rialtho non??? So does it happen only outdoors??

With one day NPC's just pick some that you would like. Do you want two Bruces? You can install the other ones as well and have like 6 Bruceseseses...

Haha I thought the Bruceseses () were different guys lol There are three of em (JC's, Bon's and Willie's) Who do you recommend?? I personally don't like Bon's portraits And Willie's one has odd voice acting (sorry Willie ) So maybe Jc's the one then?? Though Willie's seems to be the one with the most content (2.6 MB compared to the others 1.5-jc and 1.3 MB-bon)

Go for it!!!

I will ... Thanx man

Hasardeur is French for gambler. Probably in this context is the Wild Mage for a protagonist.

Ah, so if I play a Wildmage, yes??? Once the Rialtho thing's sorted out ...

[Lollorian]

Double post

Edited by Lollorian, 19 January 2009 - 05:44 PM.

[Hoppy]

Ok, I've looked up the RR readme and didn't find it so maybe SaS has it in the [Add new bardic store and thief items] component Anyway, according to the BWP guide, Cliffkey's installed much earlier than SaS so I'll be using SaS's keybag in the long run eh??? This one is a perfect "STRIKE!!"

Sorry, the Amber NPC mod adds it. I would recommend that for an NPC mod anyway, it is nice.

Ah ok But erebusant did do something to fix it, yes?? Btw, I've dled erebusant's revised DrizztSaga Did he make another addon patch or something to go with that??? :|

Not sure, you may have to check the readme.

My bad But will the TSquest work anyway???

As long as you follow the guide as it overwrites Ribald's dialog.

No, not this one I really wanna see how this works in tandem with RR According to the guide, the BWP installer tries its best to avoid installing kits. Any mod that gives kits as optional components is given the "N" That includes TDD and Ashes yes??? So if the kits aren't installed then are they compatible???

You should be fine for the weapon tweaks and install whatever kits you like along the way. BWP just hasn't tested many kits in the installations.

Is it a game-breaking bug or just cheesiness??? Will I miss out on something from the original familiars if I use this??

It changes the familiars so you get different creatures entirely.

It's cause of the guy, Rialtho non??? So does it happen only outdoors??

Yep, at the first rest outdoors. If you wait, you can have a challenging fight after Chapter4 (BG1) and not Chapter 1.

Haha I thought the Bruceseses () were different guys lol There are three of em (JC's, Bon's and Willie's) Who do you recommend?? I personally don't like Bon's portraits And Willie's one has odd voice acting (sorry Willie ) So maybe Jc's the one then?? Though Willie's seems to be the one with the most content (2.6 MB compared to the others 1.5-jc and 1.3 MB-bon)

I like the voicings on Bons' and Compton's

Ah, so if I play a Wildmage, yes??? Once the Rialtho thing's sorted out ...

You have other NPC mods like Kivan/Deheriana and Kiara/Zaiya with wild mages. Sorcers can also use the spell book and that may grant the special kit although I am not certain. If you install the kit from that mod.


Good Luck!

[Azazello]

I always interpreted the "Expert Mods" as "Install-At-Your-Own-Risk Mods" but I guess there's no German conceptual word/phrase for "Install-At-Your-Own-Risk," so "Expert" is used instead. Sounds prettier though.

You can indeed install and play with "Expert Mods", but understand that you have to handle the problems they cause by yourself. New players should be reminded of this point more often.

Ascension v1.4.23: has bugs that occur if installed after (and now, supposedly, before) G3 BG2 Fixpack. So until a new version is rolled, "Expert Mod" it is.

Zyraen's Miscellany: has some fairly powerful components, so not for beginning or inexperienced players. However, 'Alternate, Accelerated Ust Natha Route' and 'Improved Statue of Riddles' should be safe, even for n00bies.

Wild Mage Additions

There was a big hoedown with this one because everyone was getting burned to a crisp after the first time resting outdoors. In BGT that could mean at Level 1!!!!

It's cause of the guy, Rialtho non??? So does it happen only outdoors??

I remember that "hoedown": the complaint was that although you can somewhat easily beat Rhialto, new players may not appreciate this first-time quick-death fight.

I forget the conclusion (I forget the link too) but I think we are waiting for permission from the mod author to make some very easy changes to the TP2 to avoid this. In respect to the author, BWP won't change the mod until then, so they have to list it in the 'Expert' section.

The Black Rose Part I: Market Prices (Known to be buggy and not supported)

I remember when I first searched for info about this mod--after it had already been removed--and could find little comment about it, good or bad. It was never out in the community for very long, so I always wondered why it has a reputation of being buggy.

Anyway, the mod author herself pulled the mod and asked that it not be shared. And it isn't...publicly.

Bag Bonus v1.0.1 (buggy)

Where did this come from? What bug(s) does it have?

Lost Crossroads Spell Pack for Baldur's Gate 2 = SpellPackB5
? Because both SpellPack and SpellRevisions aim for conceptually different fixes, installing both will cause one to override the other.

It should be emphasized that one or the other mod can be used --BUT, if you're a new player, don't use either! They both change the base game too much.

Spell-50 v10
? It is not recommend to use Spell-50 with Spell Revisions as conceptually they are on opposite extremes. Spell Revisions is trying to "rebalance" spells, while that mod purposely makes them extremely overpowered.

v10 was a custom development by a member who doesn't have official sanction from the orginal mod caretaker. No one has reported if this version actually works. Also, does s/he explain what happened the versions 7, 8, and 9?

Anyway, the official version, #6 @ weidu.org, has absolutely NO problems in an installation IF~IF~IF installed before G3 BG2 Fixpack. In fact g3Fixpack, Spell Revisions and other mods will probably blow away all/many the changes made by Spell-50. But it can safely be installed.

[Lollorian]

Thank you again, Hoppy and Azazello This one cleared quite a few doubts

Sorry, the Amber NPC mod adds it. I would recommend that for an NPC mod anyway, it is nice.

I see ... Well, Cliffkey was off the list anyway

Not sure, you may have to check the readme.

Is this it?? If yes, is it worth not being installed just cause a clone Drizzt shows up??

As long as you follow the guide as it overwrites Ribald's dialog.

The mod's guide?? or the BWP guide??? The mod doesn't have a guide And BWP just shows the normal procedure ... nothing much to follow lol

You should be fine for the weapon tweaks and install whatever kits you like along the way. BWP just hasn't tested many kits in the installations.

I don't care much about kits as much as the story ... or the added content So, if kits aren't used ... then I may use it eh??

It changes the familiars so you get different creatures entirely.

Yeah ... Well the new ones sound cool Maybe it's safe then???

Yep, at the first rest outdoors. If you wait, you can have a challenging fight after Chapter4 (BG1) and not Chapter 1.

If I know about it ... I can be prepared right???

I like the voicings on Bons' and Compton's

Yeah ... Me too ... But Bon's looks like the Million Dollar Baby ... BUT HE'S A GUY lol Does Willie have more content than the others though??

And ...

I always interpreted the "Expert Mods" as "Install-At-Your-Own-Risk Mods" but I guess there's no German conceptual word/phrase for "Install-At-Your-Own-Risk," so "Expert" is used instead. Sounds prettier though.

Yeah ... That's what I thought too until I saw that the Cloakwood Squares, Jerry Zinger and others were expert just cause they're jokes And the NPCs were left out just cause they made the game contain too many. Same with the item mods. Oh oh ... and the Tactical mods were expert cause n00bs would find em too hard Well I agree on that ... somewhat but I wonder how many other joke/unnecessary/tough mods are in there

Normally:
Expert BG2 Tactical Encounters: You can install all, because it is for experienced gamers only
Expert BG2 Stores and Items: You can install all with a few exceptions, because we don't want to put to much items at once
Expert BG2 NPC Mods: You can install all with a few exceptions, because we don't want to put to much NPCs at once
Expert BG2 One-Day NPCs: You can install all, but we don't use them because of the less content in such a megamod

Apparently Expert in this context means Optional as well as Buggy So I wanna split up the experts into those two groups again

You can indeed install and play with "Expert Mods", but understand that you have to handle the problems they cause by yourself. New players should be reminded of this point more often.

Yeah But lemme put it this way. Although I'm not new to the BG series, I'm not an expert when it comes to mods So that's why I want the best game experience, no matter how tough it is ... without any bugs

Ascension v1.4.23: has bugs that occur if installed after (and now, supposedly, before) G3 BG2 Fixpack. So until a new version is rolled, "Expert Mod" it is.

Oh please no ... Ascension was what got me interested in these great mods. But if it breaks the game ... I'll wait then *sniff* OFF THE LIST THEN!!! So that means Turnaround is off too Any chance the new version'll be out by a month though??

Zyraen's Miscellany: has some fairly powerful components, so not for beginning or inexperienced players. However, 'Alternate, Accelerated Ust Natha Route' and 'Improved Statue of Riddles' should be safe, even for n00bies.

Are the [Expanded Spell Progressions for Rangers/Bards/Paladins] incompatible?? So if those're compat, then this one's safe

I remember that "hoedown": the complaint was that although you can somewhat easily beat Rhialto, new players may not appreciate this first-time quick-death fight.

I forget the conclusion (I forget the link too) but I think we are waiting for permission from the mod author to make some very easy changes to the TP2 to avoid this. In respect to the author, BWP won't change the mod until then, so they have to list it in the 'Expert' section.

That explains quite a bit Okay, so I can install it then??? If I'm confident in kicking Rhialto butt??

I remember when I first searched for info about this mod--after it had already been removed--and could find little comment about it, good or bad. It was never out in the community for very long, so I always wondered why it has a reputation of being buggy.

Anyway, the mod author herself pulled the mod and asked that it not be shared. And it isn't...publicly.

So ... it can be shared ... privately then??? I have it with me though

Where did this come from? What bug(s) does it have?

Now this my friend, is exactly the kind of thing this topic is created for To elaborate on what "bugs" if any to watch out for Anyway, this is what I found ...

All tactical mods are fine and for the item mods don't use the following:
- Bag Bonus (avoid such mods, because of the computer lag problems)
- Munchmod (the merchant will nerve you in each area)
- Sorcerer's Place Item Collection (this mod overwrites most files and don't patch them. Miloch recommended to put it in the expert-version)

Comments please

It should be emphasized that one or the other mod can be used --BUT, if you're a new player, don't use either! They both change the base game too much.

v10 was a custom development by a member who doesn't have official sanction from the orginal mod caretaker. No one has reported if this version actually works. Also, does s/he explain what happened the versions 7, 8, and 9?

Anyway, the official version, #6 @ weidu.org, has absolutely NO problems in an installation IF~IF~IF installed before G3 BG2 Fixpack. In fact g3Fixpack, Spell Revisions and other mods will probably blow away all/many the changes made by Spell-50. But it can safely be installed.

Thanks for explaining that quite beautifully So, can I use v6 instead of v10?? I'm ready to mod the install.bat for any missing components and the like. What I'm asking is if it'll conflict with any of the other mods in the BWP?? Anyway, I'm not installing either Spellpackb5 or Spell-50 (cause they make it too unbalanced it seems maybe after the first run, when I'm bored again?? ) so this may be useful for other guys who wanna install this

[Hoppy]

Tortured Soul Quest needs to be installed early as per the BWP placement on its list.


When you get everything installed, start up a seperate topic like Lollorian's BWP Install, post your Weidu log and any bugs you encounter. You can collect them all in your own replies. It makes it 100 times easier for you to find the fixes and for the BWP pros to give advice or fix bugs.


Ascension 1.4.xx is supported as compatible with so many other mods that I had never dreamed it was really buggy. I will let you know how my game turns out when I get to ToB.



.....probably in 2010

Edited by Hoppy, 21 January 2009 - 12:19 AM.

[Lollorian]

Tortured Soul Quest needs to be installed early as per the BWP placement on its list.

When you get everything installed, start up a seperate topic like Lollorian's BWP Install, post your Weidu log and any bugs you encounter. You can collect them all in your own replies. It makes it 100 times easier for you to find the fixes and for the BWP pros to give advice or fix bugs.

Ascension 1.4.xx is supported as compatible with so many other mods that I had never dreamed it was really buggy. I will let you know how my game turns out when I get to ToB.

.....probably in 2010

Kay kay I'll follow the guide

And yeah ... I'll do the WeiDU log thing too

OFF TOPIC:
Where'd ya get that tease emote? ... I can't find it in the editbox

[Hoppy]

All of the emoticons are in your reply window to the left of the quote button. I get a big scroll down window pop-up

[Lollorian]

Ah cool ...

[Azazello]

OFF TOPIC:
Where'd ya get that tease emote? ... I can't find it in the editbox

All of the emoticons are in your reply window to the left of the quote button. I get a big scroll down window pop-up

Ah cool ...

Don't y'all think we have too many smilies already??

Ascension 1.4.xx is supported as compatible with so many other mods that I had never dreamed it was really buggy. I will let you know how my game turns out when I get to ToB.

.....probably in 2010

You're a better man than me, 'cause I ain't even finished my mega-install from 2006! Might take another year or even 2.

Ascension v1.4.23: has bugs that occur if installed after (and now, supposedly, before) G3 BG2 Fixpack. So until a new version is rolled, "Expert Mod" it is.

Oh please no ... Ascension was what got me interested in these great mods. But if it breaks the game ... I'll wait then *sniff* OFF THE LIST THEN!!! So that means Turnaround is off too Any chance the new version'll be out by a month though??

Thanks to Salk, the Ascension bugs are being listed in >this thread<. Using it as a guide, you can avoid many problems. The post saying that it cause a problem with slayer needs to be confirmed by someone not logged in as a 'guest', and document exactly where the problem occurs. The rest of us can determine how to fix it.

BWP is justified by placing the mod into 'Expert' section.

Why don't you help the community and install Ascension together with BWP instructions, play, then tell us the results? It'll take you years to get to ToB anyway, so by then all bugs will be fixed!

v10 was a custom development by a member who doesn't have official sanction from the orginal mod caretaker. No one has reported if this version actually works. Also, does s/he explain what happened the versions 7, 8, and 9?

Anyway, the official version, #6 @ weidu.org, has absolutely NO problems in an installation IF~IF~IF installed before G3 BG2 Fixpack. In fact g3Fixpack, Spell Revisions and other mods will probably blow away all/many the changes made by Spell-50. But it can safely be installed.

Thanks for explaining that quite beautifully So, can I use v6 instead of v10?? Anyway, I'm not installing either Spellpackb5 or Spell-50 (cause they make it too unbalanced it seems maybe after the first run, when I'm bored again?? ) so this may be useful for other guys who wanna install this

I presume you mean "I'm not installing either Spellpackb5 or Spell Revisions or Spell-50 (cause they make it too unbalanced it seems)..."

Again, do some experiment with v10 or v6, install either before g3Fixpack, and tell us your results:
Ascension
Spell-50
g3Fixpack
...

Zyraen's Miscellany: has some fairly powerful components, so not for beginning or inexperienced players. However, 'Alternate, Accelerated Ust Natha Route' and 'Improved Statue of Riddles' should be safe, even for n00bies.

Are the [Expanded Spell Progressions for Rangers/Bards/Paladins] incompatible?? So if those're compat, then this one's safe

Because this is a rule change, best to get advice from the BWP team.

I remember that "hoedown": the complaint was that although you can somewhat easily beat Rhialto, new players may not appreciate this first-time quick-death fight.

I forget the conclusion (I forget the link too) but I think we are waiting for permission from the mod author to make some very easy changes to the TP2 to avoid this. In respect to the author, BWP won't change the mod until then, so they have to list it in the 'Expert' section.

That explains quite a bit Okay, so I can install it then??? If I'm confident in kicking Rhialto butt??

It can be installed. Do not rest outside until your party average is at least 3 (but for "fun", try lower).

Hoppy, Leomar--(and can't forget) Jarno!--do you agree?

I remember when I first searched for info about this mod--after it had already been removed--and could find little comment about it, good or bad. It was never out in the community for very long, so I always wondered why it has a reputation of being buggy.

Anyway, the mod author herself pulled the mod and asked that it not be shared. And it isn't...publicly.

So ... it can be shared ... privately then??? I have it with me though

What you do in your own home is your business. Just don't tell us about it.

[Lollorian]

Don't y'all think we have too many smilies already??

Ya can never have too many smilies

What you do in your own home is your business. Just don't tell us about it.

Kay lol

Thanks to Salk, the Ascension bugs are being listed in >this thread<. Using it as a guide, you can avoid many problems. The post saying that it cause a problem with slayer needs to be confirmed by someone not logged in as a 'guest', and document exactly where the problem occurs. The rest of us can determine how to fix it.

BWP is justified by placing the mod into 'Expert' section.

Why don't you help the community and install Ascension together with BWP instructions, play, then tell us the results? It'll take you years to get to ToB anyway, so by then all bugs will be fixed!

I presume you mean "I'm not installing either Spellpackb5 or Spell Revisions or Spell-50 (cause they make it too unbalanced it seems)..."

Again, do some experiment with v10 or v6, install either before g3Fixpack, and tell us your results:
Ascension
Spell-50
g3Fixpack
...

Years to ToB ... yeah probably But, sometimes, new mod versions aren't backward compatible, and that my friend, just ruins everything

Otherwise, I wanna ask this now, do you mean that not many "members" here regularly report bugs in the BWP?? If yes, that's too bad ... But I'd like to enroll. Yeah I'm in Can someone tell me what are the tools that I may need to accurately report (not fix ) any bugs I may get ... I think NI'll do just fine eh??

Ok, I did a recce of all the readmes in the mods, and I'm quite impressed by the documentation in them. So, now I think I understand what the BiG World Project is all about. It tries to get all the WeiDU mods together and lists out any bugs found (regarding compatibility and the like) for the mod authors to fix. If the mod authors can't be contacted, or if there's a pressing need of time, Leonardo personally (maybe with help ) fixes the bugs and includes them in the BWP Fixpack cause the mod's source code can't be changed without author-permission (but whatever I do after I dl it on my own pc isn't illegal, so that's why the "separate" Fixpack). Yeah??

But methinks, bugs can be a LOT harder to pinpoint due to the various intertwinings and cross-mod content, hard to pinpoint the exact source of the problem eh??

Now, all this new info sure made me totally like the BWP. Even more than before I totally respect the job these guys are doing for us. And I'd gladly like to help ... Should the bugs in the unsupported mods be reported too??? Maybe LW (or someone else for that matter ) can fix them if the authors aren't around.

And now ... new question. In order to report plenty of bugs and still complete the game, are there any mods I shouldn't install at my first run?? Let them be minor glitches and the like ... But no CTDs I usually forget to save often lol

And should typos and obvious language errors be reported?? I've only tried to open the .tra files (the english ones ) to look up on the banters But that can be extended to typo fixing stuff Anything else I might do??? Though I have no idea of those flags and variables as such, I'm known to be a quick learner. And if someone points me to a thread initiating complete modder n00bs to the game mechanics, or better yet, provides a small tutorial themselves, I may be of some help

So in theory, anyone could "unofficially" fix a mod and throw out a fixpack to go with it eh??? As long as the original work's not touched?? Kinda like the "Unofficial Arcanum Restoration Project" at Codex yeah

PS - Btw, I'm gonna start the install in the first week of Feb. Can't seem to get a straight 5-6 hrs to completely install the mod

[Hoppy]

Oh you will have bugs alright. I think the aim at BWP, since its conception, was to get as many mods installed together. That is one definition of compatibility>"installed with no errors" or few errors as possible.

That translates something totally different when playing as there are conceptual compatibilities with mods, spell revisions, CRE overwriting, and others. You will have some CTD's, stutter-bugs, slowdowns (for sure) and more but we are here to help. I don't think one BWP installer in any version has made it to or past ToB. If there is one, I want to shake his or her hand and split a bottle of single malt scotch with him or her.

That is why when you start your installed-game thread, help will come to you in one form or another.

Also, do not delete any of the mods files because they contain backups that can be very useful when you are at a loss when it comes to a bug. It will not work every time for every fix, but it is a start.

Happy Gaming

[Azazello]

BWP is the great. It has a wide mission and it does it well. It has plenty of challenges too, and always will. And all provided by international people for free, and with more patience than I would have.

As for reporting any type of bugs, typos or whatever--concerning BWP or a single mod--feel free, everyone is welcome, no special tools or skills required. Do try to post in the correct forum. Search the forums first to see if it's already been reported (probably has). If not, then just report it. No harm, no foul.

I guess anyone can offer fixes/changes and submit them. Luckily there's a silent agreement to "vet" fixes & changes before they're implemented. I like that.

As to which mods to start with, nope, not gonna fall into that trap. You want suggestions? 'Search' link is on all BG forums. Go nuts.

I says, Just pick which mods you want, read/follow the BWP or other installation guides, keep aware of any side bits (like the whole Ascension & Spell-50 discussion), then just play.

Make a new thread with your installation list, call it "Lollorian' BWP Install" or "Lollorian's mega-install play-thru" or whatever, something with your name in it. Your own personal webpage, useful for people to help you with game issues, and very helpful to new players.

Oh you will have bugs alright.
...You will have some CTD's, stutter-bugs, slowdowns (for sure)...

That's the only reasons why I play!

[Lollorian]

Oh you will have bugs alright. I think the aim at BWP, since its conception, was to get as many mods installed together. That is one definition of compatibility>"installed with no errors" or few errors as possible.

That translates something totally different when playing as there are conceptual compatibilities with mods, spell revisions, CRE overwriting, and others. You will have some CTD's, stutter-bugs, slowdowns (for sure) and more but we are here to help. I don't think one BWP installer in any version has made it to or past ToB. If there is one, I want to shake his or her hand and split a bottle of single malt scotch with him or her.

That is why when you start your installed-game thread, help will come to you in one form or another.

Also, do not delete any of the mods files because they contain backups that can be very useful when you are at a loss when it comes to a bug. It will not work every time for every fix, but it is a start.

Happy Gaming

BWP is the great. It has a wide mission and it does it well. It has plenty of challenges too, and always will. And all provided by international people for free, and with more patience than I would have.

As for reporting any type of bugs, typos or whatever--concerning BWP or a single mod--feel free, everyone is welcome, no special tools or skills required. Do try to post in the correct forum. Search the forums first to see if it's already been reported (probably has). If not, then just report it. No harm, no foul.

I guess anyone can offer fixes/changes and submit them. Luckily there's a silent agreement to "vet" fixes & changes before they're implemented. I like that.

As to which mods to start with, nope, not gonna fall into that trap. You want suggestions? 'Search' link is on all BG forums. Go nuts.

I says, Just pick which mods you want, read/follow the BWP or other installation guides, keep aware of any side bits (like the whole Ascension & Spell-50 discussion), then just play.

Make a new thread with your installation list, call it "Lollorian' BWP Install" or "Lollorian's mega-install play-thru" or whatever, something with your name in it. Your own personal webpage, useful for people to help you with game issues, and very helpful to new players.

Oh you will have bugs alright.
...You will have some CTD's, stutter-bugs, slowdowns (for sure)...

That's the only reasons why I play!

That, my friends, is extremely reassuring ... Ok, now I'll play the role of a tester then. reporting any and all the bugs I find in my playthrough Though I won't be testing it extensively (reloading to get ALL the options covered lol ) I'll offer me help as much as I can

Now, I've decided to go with what I've not struck out in the list in the first post. Any mods I just shouldn't use with the others?? (NeJ?? ) Seems like Ascension's gonna take a while to check for bugs though. But Hoppy dude, keep the bubbly flowing ...

.....probably in 2010

[Jarno Mikkola]

It can be installed. Do not rest outside until your party average is at least 3 (but for "fun", try lower).
... Jarno!--do you agree?

Yes.
By the way, I am not actually in the team. I just do the game configuration help... on the BWP threads.

When I answer to a bug/faulty action report in these BWP threads, there is usually both good and bad news: The good news is, it's not BWPs fault, the bad news is it's user/your error.

And am observing them for my own benefits.

I don't think one BWP installer in any version has made it to or past ToB. If there is one, I want to shake his or her hand and split a bottle of single malt scotch with him or her.

Well, nobody has got to be that booring, yet. And let's remember that the BWP is still evolving product, as it's components are still evolving, but I am quite sure that Leonardo Watson went through the first Megamod he had made.
But individually, nearly all the bugs that have been recognized, have been fixed, in the current or the next instalment of the BWP...

Don't y'all think we have too many smilies already??

Ya can never have too many smilies

Yes you can. Just imagine a Joker... with a frown in his face.

[Leomar]

I've read this nice thread, now, but have not much time to answer all the questions or give feedback on them at the moment. Some informations are new to me, so it is a good place to share important informations.

I can response the following:

@ Hoppy

I don't think one BWP installer in any version has made it to or past ToB. If there is one, I want to shake his or her hand and split a bottle of single malt scotch with him or her.

In the beginning of 2008 there was the first German gamer (Rumpelstilz) who finished the BWP v3. He has reported much bugs, he encountered from BG1 through ToB. BWP v3 was not splitted in standard- and expert-version and Rumpelstilz has choosen 75% of the mods, which are inluded in the BWP at that time.

Last week one German gamer (Sternenlicht) has finished the BWP v5.4 with mods of the standard-version. He reported much bugs, too and had two CTD's we could solve.

All reported bugs and not only the reported bugs of them are fixed and included in the BWP v5.5 until v5.7.

Lollorian, these two gamers and much much more other gamers in the German and English forums are very helpful for the BWP. With their bug-reports, we could and can stabilize the whole megamod. And the megamod is not the only thing. Much reported bugs since the last two years depends on some mods, were reported and fixed in the new modversions. So the BWP, the modauthors and the gamers benefits of them. So you're very welcome, if you want to support the whole process. The best is to use Azazello's advice:

Do try to post in the correct forum. Search the forums first to see if it's already been reported (probably has). If not, then just report it. No harm, no foul.

It is very helpful for everyone, if you report the bugs in the right mod forum. So all bugs are sorted and at the right place. We look at each forum and try to help there. Last time "lac" has done a wonderful job in this case and helped us all.

Greetings Leomar

Edited by Leomar, 23 January 2009 - 01:46 AM.