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[Miloch]

How's the v2 is doing?

It's done .

Changes:

Version 2: 1 Feb 2010
- Added German, French, Spanish, Italian and Russian translations
- Added compatibility for all IE games (except PS:T)
- Added Classic Adventures compatibility
- Added install order-independent Ashes of Embers compatibility
- Added component to make throwing hammers available at shops that sell throwing axes
- Added component to make +1 throwing weapons available at shops that sell magical projectiles
- Made extra magical items separate component
- Patched Spiritual Hammers and Aegis-Fang to add ranged abilities if not present
- Changed item names to avoid conflict with Dark Horizons
- Added compatibility with BGT/BWP and all mods

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[Miloch]

Added French readme. No need to redownload the v2 though unless your game is in French (no other changes).

Edit: link added

Edited by Miloch, 08 February 2010 - 06:35 PM.

[Galactygon]

I might be a minority here, I don't agree with making Spiritual Hammer throwable; the hammer is wielded telekinetically instead:

As long as the caster concentrates upon
the hammer, it strikes at any opponent within its range, as desired. Each round the
caster can choose to attack the same target as the previous round or switch to a new
target that he can see anywhere within his maximum range.

-Galactygon

[Setharnas]

But how would you do that, then? A hammer that stays in hand but strikes at range is lame, a hammer that acts like a Mordenkaine's Sword (sp?) (i.e. becomes a separate entity for a time) would allow the priest to get around the "as long as he concentrates" limit. The thrown version means the priest has to actively choose to attack with the hammer, but can do so as long as the spell lasts because of the boomerang effect. Seems to me as optimal as you can get.

[Galactygon]

But how would you do that, then? A hammer that stays in hand but strikes at range is lame, a hammer that acts like a Mordenkaine's Sword (sp?) (i.e. becomes a separate entity for a time) would allow the priest to get around the "as long as he concentrates" limit.

I intend to remove the paperdoll animation in the next release of SpellPack. A pity ITEMANIM.2da is hardcoded to not override swing animations; I would remove them too.

-Galactygon

[Creepin]

I might be a minority here, I don't agree with making Spiritual Hammer throwable; the hammer is wielded telekinetically instead

I, for one, am still fond of EoB trilogy, so I always missed throwable Spiritual Hammer while playing BG, even if it's not 100% consistent with sourcebooks

[Miloch]

I intend to remove the paperdoll animation in the next release of SpellPack.

What exactly are you using to do that?

A pity ITEMANIM.2da is hardcoded to not override swing animations; I would remove them too.

Aren't such animations coded to the attack header? If you set it to 0/0/0 (overhand/backhand/thrust, or "unused") in theory it shouldn't play swing animations, though I never tested that. What are you using for a projectile? I looked at your version some time ago but seem to recall the projectile wasn't "hammer-like" whatever it was. The spell says it looks at least "vaguely" like a hammer.

The PnP resources are open to interpretation as usual (not that this particular mod is supposed to be strict PnP though I usually hold to 2nd edition rules unless there's a better argument). The 2e Spritual Hammer spell actually requires a normal hammer as a material component that you throw at your enemies. Though it disappears when the spell is cast, you could say it becomes a sort of spiritual avatar of the material weapon, possibly wielded in the same way. Saying the spell requires "concentration" does not necessarily exclude ongoing hand gestures as if it were thrown.

[Galactygon]

Aren't such animations coded to the attack header? If you set it to 0/0/0 (overhand/backhand/thrust, or "unused") in theory it shouldn't play swing animations, though I never tested that.

Tried it, that doesn't work either.

What are you using for a projectile? I looked at your version some time ago but seem to recall the projectile wasn't "hammer-like" whatever it was.

I've set it to invisible traveling or something like that, so as the wielder does not cause damage during a timestop.

Saying the spell requires "concentration" does not necessarily exclude ongoing hand gestures as if it were thrown.

A swing is over the top for a hand gesture. Doesn't it make you feel good when you watch the text window getting updated with hit rolls and whatnot when your character is simply just standing there?

-Galactygon

[Dakk]

Possible incompability between SR and Thrown Hammers? According to Mike1072 it belongs here.

[Miloch]

Possible incompability between SR and Thrown Hammers? According to Mike1072 it belongs here.

Sigh. Won't be the first time I've had to revise a mod due to some sort of *Revisions muckery. What did they mess up this time?

[Wisp]

Did you see this? (And maybe it's relevant.)

Thrown Hammers is moved before Item Revisions again where it had been with BWP v9.2.

Link.

[Demivrgvs]

Possible incompability between SR and Thrown Hammers? According to Mike1072 it belongs here.

Sigh. Won't be the first time I've had to revise a mod due to some sort of *Revisions muckery. What did they mess up this time?

We didn't mess up anything little orc, we only made Spiritual Hammer more like PnP granting it medium range (20 feet).

[Miloch]

Did you see this? (And maybe it's relevant.)

Thrown Hammers is moved before Item Revisions again where it had been with BWP v9.2.

Link.

Though it does bug me that a patching mod gets installed before an overwriting one, Item Revisions doesn't appear to modify the spiritual hammers, but Spell Revisions does. Hopefully, people are installing Spell Revisions before patching mods like Thrown Hammers at least. Otherwise, it's rather pointless to install other mods before it. A bit like Improved Anvil .

We didn't mess up anything little orc, we only made Spiritual Hammer more like PnP granting it medium range (20 feet).

Who are you calling little, little man? You have it as a melee weapon, not a ranged weapon. Kinda silly if you ask me.

[Demivrgvs]

We didn't mess up anything little orc, we only made Spiritual Hammer more like PnP granting it medium range (20 feet).

Who are you calling little, little man? You have it as a melee weapon, not a ranged weapon. Kinda silly if you ask me.

There are various reasons to do that, for example that I don't want the caster to suffer huge penalties when the hammer is used in melee, and that the hammer is a spiritual weapon that can hit at distance, it's not a thrown hammer.

[Miloch]

There are various reasons to do that, for example that I don't want the caster to suffer huge penalties when the hammer is used in melee, and that the hammer is a spiritual weapon that can hit at distance, it's not a thrown hammer.

Melee weapons don't use projectile animations though, or ignore them if they're there. I had intended on allowing the user to toggle between melee and ranged, but apparently that's not possible with a weapon in the magic slot.

[Demivrgvs]

There are various reasons to do that, for example that I don't want the caster to suffer huge penalties when the hammer is used in melee, and that the hammer is a spiritual weapon that can hit at distance, it's not a thrown hammer.

Melee weapons don't use projectile animations though, or ignore them if they're there. I had intended on allowing the user to toggle between melee and ranged, but apparently that's not possible with a weapon in the magic slot.

In fact I haven't added any projectile animation to it, thus if your code looks for checks the only noticeable change over vanilla should be range 20 instead of 1. SR doesn't mess up anything, and if there's a compatibility issue it's probably not my fault, but still I'd be glad to help if I can, whereas your blind campaign against Revisions mod is annoying as hell.

What you say about not being able to use two different headers for the magical slot is another reason to not make it a thrown hammer (it kinda stacks with the melee penalties thing).

[Miloch]

if there's a compatibility issue it's probably not my fault, but still I'd be glad to help if I can, whereas your blind campaign against Revisions mod is annoying as hell.

Oh hush. No one's campaigning or ranting here, except you.

another reason to not make it a thrown hammer

And yes, this mod makes (or aims to make) them thrown hammers. That's the name of the mod after all. At least I've made the Spiritual Hammers an optional component though, and I won't be overwriting them either .

[Demivrgvs]

if there's a compatibility issue it's probably not my fault, but still I'd be glad to help if I can, whereas your blind campaign against Revisions mod is annoying as hell.

Oh hush. No one's campaigning or ranting here, except you.

Well, this is you: "Sigh. Won't be the first time I've had to revise a mod due to some sort of *Revisions muckery. What did they mess up this time?" ...before discovering it's you own fault.

[Wisp]

[Spell Revisions]

Item Revisions

I really shouldn't post when I'm tired.

[prowler]

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Edited by prowler, 20 October 2010 - 11:10 AM.