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[Calanen]

Sorry, that was actually me above that posted this, just noobishness did not realise I was not logged in.

[Calanen]

Sorry, that was actually me above that posted this, just noobishness did not realise I was not logged in.

Ok, done some more testing. At the moment, the following is how it pans out:

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To 'win' in the under Suderham dungeon, you need to attack while studiously preventing everyone from hitting Eonwulf. Eonwulf can be killed, if he is, then no talkies. So, you need to turn off AI, and watch make everyone run away from Eonwulf, while at the same time killing everyone else and not letting Eonwulf get hit with a Area effect weapon. If you kill everyone else, save eonwulf and Klim, then you move to the next area. There also appeared a couple of times, people turning to the dialogue blue, but you could not talk to them. Also, on one occassion, the dialogue said something like 'No valid links or dialogue' in capitals.

Continuing to test, it is very hard to reliably get the talkie to come up and end the fight. There is a very slim margin between getting Eonwulf to low enough hit points for him to say 'Enough' and to killing him outright preventing the story from progressing. Its probably only a minor tweak though to fix it.

Ok, it seems there is no surefire way to make the talkie happen. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt. I thought because I had killed a few people and left those two alive in the one go I have been able to do it, that this was the secret, but apparently not. In a few more goes I have had, killing everyone else and keeping those two alive doesnt always do it.

Edited by Calanen, 28 June 2008 - 01:15 AM.

[Calanen]

Just in relation to testing, from this point on....re under Suderham

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Ok, worked out that the best way to move past that place under Suderham is to not kill anyone, and just hit people a bit for a while. Then the talkie gets triggered.

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Now, once you go through the prison the Slavers place you in and back to the surface, there are magmen fighting the locals. Seems to be a bug, in that the Slavers dont notice you if you get on the ship, unless you talk to them or attack them. You can get some of your equipment on the deck. There seems to be a bug in the equipment box, giving you infinite bags of holding with the same contents.

Also, once you leave on the ship and go back to Westgate, seems like not much is happening there. I cant find any people, or any exit from the next screen. I'll keep looking.

[leahnkain]

I got the same bug! I killed everyone, except the two and found they wouldn't die. The battle is supposed to have a timer, it kept going on and on. I only managed to duplicte this bug once. I think it might be the timer.Calanen we plan to add alot more modules in the near future. The Ghost Tower of Inverness is almost finished, the G series is on it's way as well. We really love feedback, CA is for everyone to enjoy. Our goal is to give a new game for modders and players to enjoy. Thanks for finding this bug. SirBillyBob, it might be the timer.

[Calanen]

I got the same bug! I killed everyone, except the two and found they wouldn't die. The battle is supposed to have a timer, it kept going on and on. I only managed to duplicte this bug once. I think it might be the timer.Calanen we plan to add alot more modules in the near future. The Ghost Tower of Inverness is almost finished, the G series is on it's way as well. We really love feedback, CA is for everyone to enjoy. Our goal is to give a new game for modders and players to enjoy. Thanks for finding this bug. SirBillyBob, it might be the timer.

Just in relation to after you return to Westgate, is this where you are up to for the modules and its game over for the moment? Just seems like there is nothing there when you return, and you cant leave the screen.

I can duplicate the bug in fighting pretty much every time, if you wack Eonwulf then the timer stops obviously. Also, if you kill too many of the slaver lords the same thing happens.

[leahnkain]

Actually you are in Selguant. You made it to the end. Coming soon is Selguant...it is huge. The city is bigger than Baldurs Gate. There are multiple paths to the slave lords so there is replaying value. I hope you enjoyed the mod so far. DId you try the Althon/Aesdale combo? They are directly tied in to the plot.

[Calanen]

Actually you are in Selguant. You made it to the end. Coming soon is Selguant...it is huge. The city is bigger than Baldurs Gate. There are multiple paths to the slave lords so there is replaying value. I hope you enjoyed the mod so far. DId you try the Althon/Aesdale combo? They are directly tied in to the plot.

Yes I did enjoy it. It is mostly playable and OK, there are only a few minor bugs that need some tweaking. One thing that seems to be pervasive is people not wanting to talk to you sometimes. To get them to talk to you, you need to leave the area and come back, and then it seems to work.

Another problem which is more the Infinity engine gameplay than a bug, is that your reputation goes through the floor until you are despised if someone has a confusion spell cast on them and they hack up some innocents. I was unable to use my Paladin powers anymore, because Rurik got confused by those ghost type things in the Slavers castle, and hacked up some of the slaves. So because of something beyond your control, you become the most hated party in the whole country!

Ok, the map I think says I am in Westgate when I returned, but thats probably something that is not up to date. Althon/Aesdale, er no. I think Althon got killed and replaced with Rirania and I did not want to get rid of Rurik to have Aesdale instead. Rurik is preferable to Aesdale I think.

[leahnkain]

If you take Aesdale you would get Blush...another priest. She joins only if Aesdale is in the party.

[Sir BillyBob]

Another problem which is more the Infinity engine gameplay than a bug, is that your reputation goes through the floor until you are despised if someone has a confusion spell cast on them and they hack up some innocents. I was unable to use my Paladin powers anymore, because Rurik got confused by those ghost type things in the Slavers castle, and hacked up some of the slaves. So because of something beyond your control, you become the most hated party in the whole country!

Yes, it is an engine problem. The idea of "reputation" in the IE engine could have used some serious improvements. You also have to watch out for enemies casting area spells around innocent people. Sometimes you are the one who gets the reputation penalty. Just reload and try again.

[Calanen]

Just as mentioned above, I think that it might be a conversion bug where people stop talking to you, I would call it the 'xx appears busy bug'. You have to leave the screen and come back, try to talk to them again, and sometimes they do. You sometimes have to do this multiple times. It appears that this bug appeared after the conversion, because when I went back to Shadows of Amn, it was ever present. It may be something that you want to have a look at.

[Solar's Harper]

That's strange, the ToB patch should deal with any invalid reasons of "being busy", it should only apply if the NPC was actually busy in like, trying to escape the area, or some other form of action that renders conversation invalid.

Did this occur at a particular part of your run through? Or did it start from roughly the beginning and keep on going from there?

[Sam.]

Another problem which is more the Infinity engine gameplay than a bug, is that your reputation goes through the floor until you are despised if someone has a confusion spell cast on them and they hack up some innocents. I was unable to use my Paladin powers anymore, because Rurik got confused by those ghost type things in the Slavers castle, and hacked up some of the slaves. So because of something beyond your control, you become the most hated party in the whole country!

Just a thought: could you add an Effect to the spell like 'Modify attacks per round' and set it to 0 so you couldn't slaughter innocence. (Though if that worked you couldn't randomly attack enemies either....)

Edited by Sam., 18 July 2008 - 08:25 AM.

[Calanen]

That's strange, the ToB patch should deal with any invalid reasons of "being busy", it should only apply if the NPC was actually busy in like, trying to escape the area, or some other form of action that renders conversation invalid.

Did this occur at a particular part of your run through? Or did it start from roughly the beginning and keep on going from there?

From the beginning. Just people would be busy say in taverns, or at shops..exit the area, try again, and again..eventually they would talk to you.

[leahnkain]

Super strange, I haven't been able to recreate the bug. Is your copy of BG in English?

[Sir BillyBob]

It definitely isn't a bug within CA. It has to be something in your install or copy of BG2. I assume you did patch it before installing CA?

[Calanen]

It definitely isn't a bug within CA. It has to be something in your install or copy of BG2. I assume you did patch it before installing CA?

Apologies for the delay, havent been able to look up at work.

Yes everything was patched and good to go. Just a persistent bug for some reason.